California annuls gay marriages.
13 August 2004, 11:46 AM
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Marriage is meant for heterosexuals to contract to live together, have normal sex and if they have children, to bring them up together in a natural environment. It was like that for years and years! This was a civilised way to maintain the human race, and people were entitled to tax relief etc to help with all that.
If a pair of homosexuals want to live together and have unnatural sex, that is their own affair as far as I am concerned. I don't see however why they should have special arrangements as though they were married as above, or even be permitted to have a "marriage" ceremony. Its a contradiction to the proper meaning of marriage. I don't think it is right that they can adopt children either. Wrong environment for a child.
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If a pair of homosexuals want to live together and have unnatural sex, that is their own affair as far as I am concerned. I don't see however why they should have special arrangements as though they were married as above, or even be permitted to have a "marriage" ceremony. Its a contradiction to the proper meaning of marriage. I don't think it is right that they can adopt children either. Wrong environment for a child.
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13 August 2004, 11:47 AM
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there you go!
born unable to have kids and you are help to be "normal"
born in a situation where you want to create a new you that is a long way from normal and you are a weirdo
born unable to have kids and you are help to be "normal"
born in a situation where you want to create a new you that is a long way from normal and you are a weirdo
13 August 2004, 11:59 AM
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The big mistake is in the word "marriage". Many people feel strongly about that word for various reasons. They shouldn't IMHO but it's quite clear most posters feel differently about that on here.
All jokes aside, one of the main reasons for gays wanting a legally binding contract is: inheritance.
Say they live together, buy a house of their hard earned, pay their share. Why should one be taxed 50 % when the partner dies ?
In Belgium it was called a "cohabitation contract" which made it a bit (but not much) less of a topic.
All jokes aside, one of the main reasons for gays wanting a legally binding contract is: inheritance.
Say they live together, buy a house of their hard earned, pay their share. Why should one be taxed 50 % when the partner dies ?
In Belgium it was called a "cohabitation contract" which made it a bit (but not much) less of a topic.
13 August 2004, 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
If a pair of homosexuals want to live together and have unnatural sex, that is their own affair as far as I am concerned.
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13 August 2004, 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Geezer
Unnatural sex? Anything apart from direct sexual intercourse is unnatural strictly speaking. Should we stop consenting heterosexual adults from performing oral or **** sex then?
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I think he means two men or two women together is unnatural. Not the physicalities behind it.
I do my bird up the puupa. Technically not normal but hey, atleast 'I' can accept that.
13 August 2004, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Diablo
Ultimately, perhaps the plan is for the human race to have a defined lifespan, as part of the evolutionary process (if there is such a thing) of this planet.
13 August 2004, 12:08 PM
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Olly and Diablo, see this quote from SomeDude
13 August 2004, 12:53 PM
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No problem with same sex marriages, as it has been pointed out already like a 'normal' marriage, it's a way to show friends and family that you love someone and you are willing to commit yourself to them.
As for this whole adoption thing! I wastched London Tonight which was highlighting a charity to place children into foster care with homosexual couples. These children had been thrown out of their homes by parents who didn't understand that they were gay. So gay children being placed with same sex couples in England. (Imagine the outrage it would cause the homophopic SN massive!!
)
I guess some of you are of the belief that the same sex couples would prey on the child. It has to be said, that it's like saying that hetrosexual couples would prey on children if they adopted!
As for this whole adoption thing! I wastched London Tonight which was highlighting a charity to place children into foster care with homosexual couples. These children had been thrown out of their homes by parents who didn't understand that they were gay. So gay children being placed with same sex couples in England. (Imagine the outrage it would cause the homophopic SN massive!!
)I guess some of you are of the belief that the same sex couples would prey on the child.
It has to be said, that it's like saying that hetrosexual couples would prey on children if they adopted!
13 August 2004, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy Tang
I guess some of you are of the belief that the same sex couples would prey on the child. It has to be said, that it's like saying that hetrosexual couples would prey on children if they adopted!
It has to be said, that it's like saying that hetrosexual couples would prey on children if they adopted!why would you belive that???
no one is saying that gay ppl abuse kids? what a daft comment!
13 August 2004, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy Tang
No problem with same sex marriages, as it has been pointed out already like a 'normal' marriage, it's a way to show friends and family that you love someone and you are willing to commit yourself to them.
As for this whole adoption thing! I wastched London Tonight which was highlighting a charity to place children into foster care with homosexual couples. These children had been thrown out of their homes by parents who didn't understand that they were gay. So gay children being placed with same sex couples in England. (Imagine the outrage it would cause the homophopic SN massive!! )
I guess some of you are of the belief that the same sex couples would prey on the child. It has to be said, that it's like saying that hetrosexual couples would prey on children if they adopted!
As for this whole adoption thing! I wastched London Tonight which was highlighting a charity to place children into foster care with homosexual couples. These children had been thrown out of their homes by parents who didn't understand that they were gay. So gay children being placed with same sex couples in England. (Imagine the outrage it would cause the homophopic SN massive!!
)I guess some of you are of the belief that the same sex couples would prey on the child.
It has to be said, that it's like saying that hetrosexual couples would prey on children if they adopted!
13 August 2004, 01:00 PM
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Actually, I don't think that's a daft comment at all... If you ask The Man On The Street (where has he gone anyway? 
) why he thinks that gay people should not be allowed to adopt, I'm sure most people actually think what Andy said (in addition to other things).
) why he thinks that gay people should not be allowed to adopt, I'm sure most people actually think what Andy said (in addition to other things).
13 August 2004, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by OllyK
That would suggest that evolution is pre-detrmined and pro-active rather than reactive and there is no evidence that I am aware of that supports that hypothesis
Proactive or reactive, either way it doesn't really matter.
It was just the way I chose to type the post.
13 August 2004, 01:05 PM
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noooooooooooooooooooo!
they do not.
joe bloggs is a bit homophobic and a bit racist (every one looks after their own type)
he is not of the belife that gay ppl abuse kids!
i work with old rich people......they are a great example of old fashion values. my job would be harder if i was gay/black/female/foreign. they do not think gay people abuse kids though! neither do they think every black guy deals drugs or women shouldnt vote or foreigners are evil!
they do not.
joe bloggs is a bit homophobic and a bit racist (every one looks after their own type)
he is not of the belife that gay ppl abuse kids!
i work with old rich people......they are a great example of old fashion values. my job would be harder if i was gay/black/female/foreign. they do not think gay people abuse kids though! neither do they think every black guy deals drugs or women shouldnt vote or foreigners are evil!
13 August 2004, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by SomeDude
Could you tell me what exactly the problem *is* then, as without joking I honestly don't know.
bullying
lack of female role model
more bullying
prob get really cool clothes though!
13 August 2004, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Tiggs
why would you belive that???
no one is saying that gay ppl abuse kids? what a daft comment!
no one is saying that gay ppl abuse kids? what a daft comment!
Look at the way homosexual people are stereotyped in the media. The suggestion is there for people to believe that homosexual people are deviants. Deviant = child molester, in a some peoples mind.
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13 August 2004, 01:09 PM
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If it feels good do it!
As long as no-one gets hurt - who gives a f*ck!!!
As far as I can tell the only things affected by behaviour of this sort are the fragile egos of the pompous and self-righteous.
Personally i find the following things offensive:
1. Being ugly
2. Being fat
3. supporting Man Utd
4. loving the lord
but i wouldnt go around abusing these people or trying to deny them their human rights (apart from the Man U fans of course)
What i do is i recognise that these feelings are a product of my own irrational prejudices towards these members of soceity and leave it at that. Even if someone put a form in front of me saying "Sign this and we'll remove all fat people from soceity" I wouldn't because i believe in personal freedoms and I accept the fact that its not their problem its really mine.
(BTW some of my best friends are Man U).
As long as no-one gets hurt - who gives a f*ck!!!
As far as I can tell the only things affected by behaviour of this sort are the fragile egos of the pompous and self-righteous.
Personally i find the following things offensive:
1. Being ugly
2. Being fat
3. supporting Man Utd
4. loving the lord
but i wouldnt go around abusing these people or trying to deny them their human rights (apart from the Man U fans of course)
What i do is i recognise that these feelings are a product of my own irrational prejudices towards these members of soceity and leave it at that. Even if someone put a form in front of me saying "Sign this and we'll remove all fat people from soceity" I wouldn't because i believe in personal freedoms and I accept the fact that its not their problem its really mine.
(BTW some of my best friends are Man U).
13 August 2004, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Senior_AP
I don't doubt two men/women could be very good parents. That isn't the problem nor is it the issue though.
13 August 2004, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy Tang
Fair enough, but aren't two people who care, love and look after a child better, than being ignored, abused, beaten, etc by hetrosexual parents?
Plenty of caring hetero couples around without subjecting a child to a life of abuse, ridicule and confusion.
It's selfish, cruel and f$cking out of order. Subjecting a child to that is f$cking wrong.
Yes, I am p!ssed off.
13 August 2004, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Tiggs
noooooooooooooooooooo!
they do not.
joe bloggs is a bit homophobic and a bit racist (every one looks after their own type)
he is not of the belife that gay ppl abuse kids!
i work with old rich people......they are a great example of old fashion values. my job would be harder if i was gay/black/female/foreign. they do not think gay people abuse kids though! neither do they think every black guy deals drugs or women shouldnt vote or foreigners are evil!
they do not.
joe bloggs is a bit homophobic and a bit racist (every one looks after their own type)
he is not of the belife that gay ppl abuse kids!
i work with old rich people......they are a great example of old fashion values. my job would be harder if i was gay/black/female/foreign. they do not think gay people abuse kids though! neither do they think every black guy deals drugs or women shouldnt vote or foreigners are evil!
13 August 2004, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Senior_AP
Plenty of caring hetero couples around without subjecting a child to a life of abuse, ridicule and confusion.
It's selfish, cruel and f$cking out of order. Subjecting a child to that is f$cking wrong.
Yes, I am p!ssed off.
It's selfish, cruel and f$cking out of order. Subjecting a child to that is f$cking wrong.
Yes, I am p!ssed off.