California annuls gay marriages.
13 August 2004, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Henrik
Iwan: FYI, there are gay animals too, so infact it is natures way....
So nerrr!
So nerrr!
13 August 2004, 10:39 AM
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Also I bet you don't see a male/femal pair of penguins handing thier chicks over to the gay pair to bring up either
Do a bit of reading on altruism/sociobiology.
In short, often "gays" help towards survival of their (shared) genes.
13 August 2004, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Henrik
OllyK: Well, don't know about adoption, but apparently the gay penguins managed to raise a little penguin and it was just fine after they got given a fertilized egg by the keeper 
but animals dont have to deal with social acceptance in the same way. this is why animals will have sex with their own family as well as starting to have sex as soon as sexually mature.
you go find someone who does either of those and they will be in prison pretty soon!
baby penguin wont have to go to school with other penguins all shouting pingu the perv at him because they have no rules.....if they did he could shout back "my parents may be gay but your mum is 2 years old and does it with her uncle"
13 August 2004, 10:47 AM
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Tiggs: PMSL
Regarding sex within their own families, where's that chav thread about the mum and the son?
Off-topic about social acceptance:
I think you'll find that all social animals tend to have a strict hierarchy and the ones lower down get picked on by those higher up. It's exactly the same with humans but on a different scale.
Regarding sex within their own families, where's that chav thread about the mum and the son?
Off-topic about social acceptance:
I think you'll find that all social animals tend to have a strict hierarchy and the ones lower down get picked on by those higher up. It's exactly the same with humans but on a different scale.
13 August 2004, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Iwan
Just aint right, it's not natures way.
Or do/did *we* have a blinkered opinion of what "nature's way" really is/was, if you're prepared to accept that most gay people are born that way, not "converted" (a fairly recent development)...
13 August 2004, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
Or do/did *we* have a blinkered opinion of what "nature's way" really is/was, if you're prepared to accept that most gay people are born that way, not "converted" (a fairly recent development)...
If you are gay (atificial insemination aside), you are not going to be contributing to the gene pool and the survival of the species and therefore are of little value to the species.
OK that's a purely genetic low level view and doesn't take in to account social values within animal groups and even more so the way that humans mess about with natural selection - see the other thread
13 August 2004, 11:03 AM
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as a straight man, I dont feel qualified to argue for or against, i have gay friends none of whom are married (several are in long term relasionships) they have never really raised the issue so cant be that important for all of them. Re adoption, thats even more of a moot point, its generality vs specifics; abuse is far more prevalent in *normal* families than most are aware of, so how do you come up with a moral high ground then apply it to gays rather than conventional couples, pretty much impossible- the only constant in all of this is that the children suffer when we get it wrong.
13 August 2004, 11:04 AM
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Perhaps its all down to evolution?
The human race is overpopulating the planet (nice one Tel on the other thread)
Perhaps homosexuality is simply an evolutionary process to redress that issue?
Certainly reproduction (the natural way) can only occur between male and female union. So, on the face of it, homosexuality is not as nature intended, but perhaps it has become that way?
Ultimately, perhaps the plan is for the human race to have a defined lifespan, as part of the evolutionary process (if there is such a thing) of this planet.
Maybe thats what happened to the dinosaurs (ok, perhaps a bit off the wall) but who knows?
The human race is overpopulating the planet (nice one Tel on the other thread)
Perhaps homosexuality is simply an evolutionary process to redress that issue?
Certainly reproduction (the natural way) can only occur between male and female union. So, on the face of it, homosexuality is not as nature intended, but perhaps it has become that way?
Ultimately, perhaps the plan is for the human race to have a defined lifespan, as part of the evolutionary process (if there is such a thing) of this planet.
Maybe thats what happened to the dinosaurs (ok, perhaps a bit off the wall) but who knows?
13 August 2004, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Diablo
Perhaps its all down to evolution?
The human race is overpopulating the planet (nice one Tel on the other thread)
Perhaps homosexuality is simply an evolutionary process to redress that issue?
The human race is overpopulating the planet (nice one Tel on the other thread)
Perhaps homosexuality is simply an evolutionary process to redress that issue?
13 August 2004, 11:11 AM
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If we were all gay the human race would disappear within 90 years.
Originally Posted by Senior_AP
Its not wrong. It is however abnormal. They are how they are.
Historically, I am sure there have been many views/things that have been abnormal, but not necessarily bad for society (or any individual for that matter)
13 August 2004, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Henrik
But not *everyone* is gay
It's obviously abnormal, as the norm is to be hetero. However, that doesn't mean it's wrong
Historically, I am sure there have been many views/things that have been abnormal, but not necessarily bad for society (or any individual for that matter)
It's obviously abnormal, as the norm is to be hetero. However, that doesn't mean it's wrong
Historically, I am sure there have been many views/things that have been abnormal, but not necessarily bad for society (or any individual for that matter)
You're right, not *everyone* is gay. Reason being it's abnormal. Because if everyone was gay we would cease as a race....therefore to maintain our race the vast majority are hetero, as nature intended. The abnormal homosexuals are just deviants from what as humans we fundamentally should be.
Fire suit on.
13 August 2004, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Senior_AP
The abnormal homosexuals are just deviants from what as humans we fundamentally should be.
But the majority of us ARE "what as humans we fundamentally should be".
Maybe gays are "fundamentally" gay because they don't need to be straight for the continued existence of the human race....
13 August 2004, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
But the majority of us ARE "what as humans we fundamentally should be".
Maybe gays are "fundamentally" gay because they don't need to be straight for the continued existence of the human race....
Maybe gays are "fundamentally" gay because they don't need to be straight for the continued existence of the human race....
This could go on some time......
This is just my opinion......can say no more really.
13 August 2004, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
But the majority of us ARE "what as humans we fundamentally should be".
Maybe gays are "fundamentally" gay because they don't need to be straight for the continued existence of the human race....
Maybe gays are "fundamentally" gay because they don't need to be straight for the continued existence of the human race....
like a spoiler on the scoob of life? always look good but of no real purpose in making the car quicker?
13 August 2004, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by SomeDude
But it's *their* bum !
Serious question: do you feel you are being "respectful" (see myriad of other threads) using words like deviant ?
Serious question: do you feel you are being "respectful" (see myriad of other threads) using words like deviant ?
i expect he feels he's being acurate?
they are just words and not meant as offensive.
when i meet ppl they offten say "ohhh, you're tall".....they say this because its not normal to be 6'6- if it were, they wouldnt say it!
do they mean offense? no...its in annoying? sometimes!
13 August 2004, 11:39 AM
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If it is wrong to allow same sex couples to bring up children, because it is not what nature intended, should we deny 'normal' couples access to fertility treatment, because nature has obviously decided that, for whatever reason, they are not intended to re-produce?
There is no evidence whatsoever that children raised by same sex couples are more open to abuse than those brought up by heterosexual ones.
However, there is the school bullying factor to consider.......................
Geezer
There is no evidence whatsoever that children raised by same sex couples are more open to abuse than those brought up by heterosexual ones.
However, there is the school bullying factor to consider.......................
Geezer
13 August 2004, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Senior_AP
Yawn....!! I've NEVER said, or suggested it's bad for society. All I've said is that its abnormal.
You're right, not *everyone* is gay. Reason being it's abnormal. Because if everyone was gay we would cease as a race....therefore to maintain our race the vast majority are hetero, as nature intended. The abnormal homosexuals are just deviants from what as humans we fundamentally should be.
Fire suit on.
You're right, not *everyone* is gay. Reason being it's abnormal. Because if everyone was gay we would cease as a race....therefore to maintain our race the vast majority are hetero, as nature intended. The abnormal homosexuals are just deviants from what as humans we fundamentally should be.
Fire suit on.
Maybe I'm splitting hairs, but actually, it's abnormal because the majority isn't, and not the other way around (which is important, IMO).
and yes, you haven't said that it was bad in any way, so my comment was misdirected. However, the vast majority of SN's seem to think it is just another sign of the demise of society (probably much like the hippies and flower power was seen as a similar sign by some living back in the 60's).
13 August 2004, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by SomeDude
But it's *their* bum !
Serious question: do you feel you are being "respectful" (see myriad of other threads) using words like deviant ?
Serious question: do you feel you are being "respectful" (see myriad of other threads) using words like deviant ?
Main Entry: Deviant
Function: noun
: something that deviates from a norm; especially : a person who differs markedly (as in intelligence, social adjustment, or sexual behavior) from what is considered normal for a group
It may sound derogatory but fundamentally it is true.
13 August 2004, 11:42 AM
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they are having an abnormality corrected by medicine.
its socially acceptable to assist people in becoming normal.....joe bloggs has issue in helping ppl go the otherway. (nadia for example ...its becoming a BB thread)
its socially acceptable to assist people in becoming normal.....joe bloggs has issue in helping ppl go the otherway. (nadia for example ...its becoming a BB thread)
13 August 2004, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Tiggs
they are having an abnormality corrected by medicine.
its socially acceptable to assist people in becoming normal.....joe bloggs has issue in helping ppl go the otherway. (nadia for example ...its becoming a BB thread)
its socially acceptable to assist people in becoming normal.....joe bloggs has issue in helping ppl go the otherway. (nadia for example ...its becoming a BB thread)
Nadia is an simple example of how people have become more and more f$cked up over time.
I don't think *it* is a bad person but christ that is just sick.
F$cking weirdo. Simple as.