unclebuck

Good points, well made.

RichWalk

[QUOTE=scoobynutta555]One observation is that even though obviously there is intelligence on Scoobynet, political nous is not that apparent. Saddens me to read many political comments on here from obviously intelligent people that barely have a rudimentary grasp of politics.


Politics is life and life is political.........surely they taught you that.......so by definition any view is legitimate, however banal or badly informed it may be, that is whats know as a wholific viewpoint, one which you proclaim to have.

Redkop

Sheer arrogance

Really, is that to try & impress us? Please try again as I don't think it's worked

scoobynutta555

I'll say it again, go study politics and then try to argue your point. Until then Ill take your comments as they are, quite amateurish and mostly baseless.

And same goes for unclebuck and senior.

I have to go now, I'll leave you to your little threesome. You should call yourselves the three blind mice down at your local pub quiz.

Ciao.

TelBoy

Don't dispute what you're saying, but *generally* i think there was more respect in society. It's great that the worst aspects of racism have been eliminated, but from what *i* see, that's been at the expense of making everybody believe it's a free-for-all, that anyone can do anything to anybody. It's *that* tide we need to turn back.

scoobynutta555

Before I go, invite Redkop to your gathering as some light entertainment.

unclebuck

bloody students.... never heard so much twaddle....

UB

Redkop

More entertaining then you could ever be, ciao

the moose

You'd have to agree, Tel, that there's a huge degree of bollocks spouted on here by people who have a point to prove, often backed by nothing more than bloke-in-a-pub science.

TelBoy

We got the cheap shots i see then?

TelBoy

But politics is an art, not a science. There are no proven rights or wrongs, because no society can be run in parallel under different legislations.

The electorate have the say in this country, and by and large, they know a LOT LESS than we might all imagine. How scary is that? But what are we saying - only those who've studied politics are "worthy" of a vote? Surely not.

RichWalk

Thats a pretty intolerant viewpoint for someone who is criticising others lack of vision, I always laboured under the opinion that knowledge is gained from experience of life, not purely from academic studies

Senior_AP

I am educated to A-level Politics at Grade B. I consider my knowledge to be good. The fact someone disagrees with you in "your" mind makes "them" wrong. You are arrogant, opinionated and in many ways......really quite thick.

I have made several references to things being my opinion yet you still take cheap shots - something that so called "educated people" (like yourself cough cough) would never do.

Myself and Telboy have far from seen eye-to-eye on a lot of things but atleast we didn't slump to your level.

All I have argued is my observations of a society that ((((IMO)))) has slipped. I'm not trying to quote facts and stats, I could also do a search on google for random statistics but I'm not as bothered as you are to try and prove that I am utterly correct.

Learn tolerance, respect opinion then come back to us when you can debate in an adult manner and I emphasise DEBATE. Not opinionated, patronising argument.

Senior_AP

Yep.

But remember, he's right.....we're wrong.

unclebuck

Finally exposed as the intolerant politically correct fascist that he undoubtedly is.

ha ha

UB

the moose

Don't disagree - but it's the "bring back national service, that'll sort it all out" mentality that makes me cringe.

Britain has the highest percentage of people incarcerated in Western Europe, ditto with divorce, ditto with teenage pregnancies ..... and one of the lowest literacy rates.

Sound to me like doing things the old way isn't really going to work, now is it? And the rest of Europe must be doing *something* right, despite the fact that they have lower ages of consent, have almost all abandoned national service, have a great deal more drug treatment centres .... you know, all that namby-pamby liberal stuff.

Sure, some of the more liberal things don't work, but many do. Take legalised brothels or prostitution areas for example. Works well in Holland - there's a supply for hookers, and a demand. Accept that this is going to be the case, and stick them in an area where there's no impact on the rest of the community. Sorts out a lot of the pimps, reduces drug use, and gets women off the street. Still not a life of glamour, but better for all concerned. Completely sensible, but politically not acceptable in the UK because on NIMBYism and puritanical Daily Mail readers.

Or go to Copehnagen and visit Christiana - drugs openly for sale, and those who wich to purchase can do so. No hassle, no problem, but almost zero dealers in the city other than in this area.

PS I have a politics/economics degree, and am therefore disqualified from talking on either of these subjects.

Leslie

Al last someone agrees with me that parents, who are the ones really responsible for the dreadful state of affairs with so many children today, should be held responsible for any damage caused by their children while they are minors, and that they should have to pay to make the damage good.

That is the only way that I can see to force parents to become interested in bringing their children up so that they behave themselves. If that is not done, then the next set of parents will be even worse and by that time anarchy will rule completely.

We will need electric fences and private police to guard us and our property!

Les

Senior_AP

I said about parents many times.....

unclebuck

Ahem, from page one.

SomeDude

One small question... is Blair in charge of countries like France, The Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, etc ... ?

As we see the same things happening over there. And we hear the same complaints.

I'm not doubting that "standards are slipping", but I'm sorry for you navelgazers... it's happening in other countries too.

Litigation is a *big* problem as has been said, like suing your neighbour because their cat craps in your flowerbeds... (shall I put a smiley here ?)

Education has to be key, as I still break into a sweat when I see a copper at 42, even though I never do anything wrong

I don't like Blair, as indeed modern day social democrats have turned into a pretty strange bunch, but just blaming him might be a bit, erm, shortsighted.

So curfews, military service, school uniforms, and blaming single parents will do the trick ?

Uh oh.

Do you really call that informed reasoned debate ?

WENDI B

Please, we all smoked, we all swore and most of us still do! Unless you're a born again PC Bloody dogooder!!!!!!! There's always been the bad little buggars, think back to the "good old days" when we were at school! Don't think it was a barrel of laughs, I hated it, bullies, teachers I think this country has always been a sh****le and always will be.

imlach

I don't know - the youth of today - make me sick. Feel they can dismiss other's arguments because they have studied politics.

Well, sorry mate, but anyone can have studied anything they like, but it doesn't mean they are competent in it

What percentage of politicians studied politics? Probably very few.

Very very arrogant stance to roll out in a discussion.

NOTHING learnt in a degree can't be learnt elsewhere. I've got 2 of the things, I should know The sooner you realise that, the sooner you'll get on in life

Redkop

Pocket money didn't run to be able to afford **** at that age but I can now I can safely say I am not a 'born again PC Bloody Do-gooder' maybe a bit of a snob though because I sent my daughter to a private school, as I had no faith in state schools, but thats another topic altogether

imlach

Oh, and now I recall, the only person I knew at Uni who studied politics is now using his extremely varied & useful political knowledge to negotiate the streets of Edinburgh driving a van which picks up & drops off photographic films.

Always considered one of the most useful degrees then.....

Redkop

IIRC wasn't there a picture of scoobynutta555 that he put on SN of himself at work in a pair of shorts, in what looked like a factory?

RichWalk

get/ agree with many of your points, however education needs to be extended to all the groups included within this *debate* you are advocating one ideal then contadicting yourself straight afterwards, you as with everyone else taking part here are involved in what you/they percieve to be a reasoned debate- i doubt any of us are qualified to define whether it is *reasoned*

Markus

RedKop a PC do-gooder? pah, don't make me laugh! As for turning into a grumpy old man, that I would like to see, as unless she is having an operation, it's a physical impossibility.

How to deal with them? just give them a swift beating, it'll work, and it'll be fun. Oh and compulsory sterilisation of chavs, that'll stop another generation of chavs

Markus

Oh and when I think about people who study politics, all I ever see is an image of Adrian Mole

the moose

You should have been on my course at Uni - we had all sorts, from the raving Marxists (sandals) to the braying Etonites (wearing suits to lectures!) .... and some really cracking posh totty as well.

Didn't see Mr Mole there, though.

Markus

Yeah, posh totty, really groovy, take it up the **** too, as it's not technically "having sex" not that I know anything about posh totty.

bloody Etonites, spot of Etonite bashing (akin to goth bashing, a lovely peaceful pastime )