lightly modded clio cup beats 240bhp scooby!!!
27 July 2004, 10:17 AM
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I wouldnt even put the Impreza and clio in the same category they are in a totally different class the cup is just a budget hot hatchback that goes well.
I admire clio drivers that kid themselves thinking they can beat imprezas it's quite funny but there is no way a standard clio cup would beat a standard classic impreza turbo anywhere (drivers equal) are you trying to say a clio does 5.3 to 60 I dont think so its more like 7secs
Another reason I would buy an secondhand impreza over a clio is tunability you can gain big power gains from relatively low money. A clio on the otherhand is a lot different you can gain 20 odd bhp easily but to get more than that will cost you $$$$
I dont normally get involved in vs threads coz they r normally just nova drivers or clio drivers (potential to be new nova) that have to boast coz they beat an impreza.
All I am saying is if a clio pulled up by the side of me and wanted a race there would be no way he would be winning and thats a fact.
I admire clio drivers that kid themselves thinking they can beat imprezas it's quite funny but there is no way a standard clio cup would beat a standard classic impreza turbo anywhere (drivers equal) are you trying to say a clio does 5.3 to 60 I dont think so its more like 7secs
Another reason I would buy an secondhand impreza over a clio is tunability you can gain big power gains from relatively low money. A clio on the otherhand is a lot different you can gain 20 odd bhp easily but to get more than that will cost you $$$$
I dont normally get involved in vs threads coz they r normally just nova drivers or clio drivers (potential to be new nova) that have to boast coz they beat an impreza.
All I am saying is if a clio pulled up by the side of me and wanted a race there would be no way he would be winning and thats a fact.
27 July 2004, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by davyboy
I thought the older scoobs were quicker due to less weight?
Get out of here are they! Same car, same weight, "few" more bhp...still slower than an older scoob. I had one I know!
It is my best car! I bet you pity me having to ride around in such a **** heap huh?
Get out of here are they! Same car, same weight, "few" more bhp...still slower than an older scoob. I had one I know!
It is my best car! I bet you pity me having to ride around in such a **** heap huh?
Jealousy is an ugly thing and you have just exposed yourselve. So you personally think the majority of people driving around in a new WRX or STi are driving around in heaps of shi7 then thats down to you and your opinion, which for most scooby owners you can stick up your own ****pipe!
27 July 2004, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Matt_Turbo_2000
I admire clio drivers that kid themselves thinking they can beat imprezas it's quite funny but there is no way a standard clio cup would beat a standard classic impreza turbo anywhere (drivers equal) are you trying to say a clio does 5.3 to 60 I dont think so its more like 7secs
However, if you wanna talk stats I think you'll find the difference between a Clio Cup and a WRX 0-60 is more than the difference 0-100......so, if you do the basic maths the clio gains time back. So, in gear it is quicker.
Doing "do-able" speeds on the road a Clio is every bit as quick...if not quicker.
27 July 2004, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by jas03WRX
Do your homework.... maybe a few more bhp... different exhaust inlet etc, etc... and a few more twicks. 00>02 cars too 100 was 18 secs roughly now it is 15.7 (14.6 on 98>), they must have done something right. Maths will also tell you that power to weight on a clio/against a 03 WRX is that the Clio has the advantage of about 8-10 bhp with little torque. I never said the ClioCup is a bad car if you bothered to read the whole message instead of choosing lines of it to have a go at. I said it wasnt the car for me. So get of your my Clio is the greatest soapbox and post something more constructive. Ive been in both cars and they offer both different qualities you to55er.!!!
Jealousy is an ugly thing and you have just exposed yourselve. So you personally think the majority of people driving around in a new WRX or STi are driving around in heaps of shi7 then thats down to you and your opinion, which for most scooby owners you can stick up your own ****pipe!
Jealousy is an ugly thing and you have just exposed yourselve. So you personally think the majority of people driving around in a new WRX or STi are driving around in heaps of shi7 then thats down to you and your opinion, which for most scooby owners you can stick up your own ****pipe!
STi is an excellent machine, I doubt Davyboy would (or has) argued otherwise....so maybe YOU should read HIS posts instead of "choosing lines of it to have a go at".
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27 July 2004, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Senior_AP
Bad driver perhaps?? One off examples can be had for anything beating anything.
About the 944 Turbo, thats gotta be the quote of the day. lol. Are we on a normal A road? Track? Twisties? Gravel? Ice? Mud? Snow? Uphill? Downhill?
Is the air temperature exactly 17.4 degress celsius to ensure peak performance? Is the STI suffering Heat Soak? Boost issues? Power drain? Is it your outlap or inlap? Is it running Optimax?? Have you openend the bonnet and scratched your head whilst shaking your head looking dazed and confused at the...err...windscreen washer reservoir? Is it raining?? Are those tyres new??
Please see thread:
http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.php?t=329056
About the 944 Turbo, thats gotta be the quote of the day. lol. Are we on a normal A road? Track? Twisties? Gravel? Ice? Mud? Snow? Uphill? Downhill?
Is the air temperature exactly 17.4 degress celsius to ensure peak performance? Is the STI suffering Heat Soak? Boost issues? Power drain? Is it your outlap or inlap? Is it running Optimax?? Have you openend the bonnet and scratched your head whilst shaking your head looking dazed and confused at the...err...windscreen washer reservoir? Is it raining?? Are those tyres new??
Please see thread:
http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.php?t=329056
Thread is SIAL and no longer amusing .... Yawn. What do the Porsche forums bang on about? Money ....... exclusivity ....... build quality ....... engineering ....... adjustable settings ....... etc
Wasn't it Davyboy who got his **** kicked round the ring by a 140bhp 205 GTI, whilst he was in a 944 Turbo?
27 July 2004, 10:26 AM
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Do your homework.... maybe a few more bhp... different exhaust inlet etc, etc... and a few more twicks. 00>02 cars too 100 was 18 secs roughly now it is 15.7 (14.6 on 98>), they must have done something right
Jealousy is an ugly thing and you have just exposed yourselve
So you personally think the majority of people driving around in a new WRX or STi are driving around in heaps of shi7
27 July 2004, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by MadMark
Wasn't it Davyboy who got his **** kicked round the ring by a 140bhp 205 GTI, whilst he was in a 944 Turbo?
27 July 2004, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by CraigH
Jase03,
I think you need to take your Subaru blinkers off. And why on earth should non Subaru owners not be on this board. That's what you're implying isn't it?
No I think you'd be in for a shock. An 00/01/02/03/04 car once rolling is slower than a Focus RS/Alfa 147GTA/R32/330i - similar to an RX8/A3 3.2/Clio Cup/330d and not much quicker than things like a Golf PD150 or A4 2.5TDi.
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We get that in the Westie too
I think you need to take your Subaru blinkers off. And why on earth should non Subaru owners not be on this board. That's what you're implying isn't it?
No I think you'd be in for a shock. An 00/01/02/03/04 car once rolling is slower than a Focus RS/Alfa 147GTA/R32/330i - similar to an RX8/A3 3.2/Clio Cup/330d and not much quicker than things like a Golf PD150 or A4 2.5TDi.
Junior
We get that in the Westie too
27 July 2004, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by MadMark
They were all following me on a little "jaunt" .....
Thread is SIAL and no longer amusing .... Yawn. What do the Porsche forums bang on about? Money ....... exclusivity ....... build quality ....... engineering ....... adjustable settings ....... etc
Wasn't it Davyboy who got his **** kicked round the ring by a 140bhp 205 GTI, whilst he was in a 944 Turbo?
Thread is SIAL and no longer amusing .... Yawn. What do the Porsche forums bang on about? Money ....... exclusivity ....... build quality ....... engineering ....... adjustable settings ....... etc
Wasn't it Davyboy who got his **** kicked round the ring by a 140bhp 205 GTI, whilst he was in a 944 Turbo?
As for the 205 GTI round the ring nearly as fast......yes he did. Your point being?? If you went to the 'Ring you to would realise that being an experienced Ring driver and knowing the circuit counts for an awful lot. However, revving your engine in the local McDonalds drive thru requires no skill at all.
We have (on video) a Leon TDi beating a MY99 scoob on the 'Ring, doesn't mean the Leon is quicker does it.
lol. Some people eh !!!
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27 July 2004, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by CELICA-ANDY
just had a look in evo mag,
my98-00 uk impreza - 0-60 in 5.5sec 0-100 in 14.6sec
cliocup 0-60 in 6.6sec 0-100 in 17.7 secs
thats quite a bit quicker.
my98-00 uk impreza - 0-60 in 5.5sec 0-100 in 14.6sec
cliocup 0-60 in 6.6sec 0-100 in 17.7 secs
thats quite a bit quicker.
Funnier comparing a "cheap Franch tin box" to the "Rally Monster" that is the bug eye Scoob.
27 July 2004, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by davyboy
So just a few bhp has cut over 2 secs of the 0-100 time? Incredible!
PMSL just what have i got to be jelous of? I had a MY01 WRX and I sold it and moved on? Where on earth did you get the jelousy thing from?
I don't think I ever said that, niether did I say the Clio was the best car on the planet.
PMSL just what have i got to be jelous of? I had a MY01 WRX and I sold it and moved on? Where on earth did you get the jelousy thing from?
I don't think I ever said that, niether did I say the Clio was the best car on the planet.
27 July 2004, 10:39 AM
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I test drove a Clio Cup last year at the end of the 172's production as my gf was thinking of getting one, I expected it to be almost as fast as a bog standard bugeye but to be honest I was very disappointed in it all round. Didn't even feel fast in a straight line. I was scared to touch anything in the cabin in case something fell off and I'd have to buy it! Felt as if it was made of egg boxes! It's a bit girly as well, nicole, papa an' all that, rather have a much slower, better built/looking car than an ugly small french hatch that just says to the world that you smoke the pink cigar!
27 July 2004, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by davyboy
So just a few bhp has cut over 2 secs of the 0-100 time? Incredible!
PMSL just what have i got to be jelous of? I had a MY01 WRX and I sold it and moved on? Where on earth did you get the jelousy thing from?
I don't think I ever said that, niether did I say the Clio was the best car on the planet.
PMSL just what have i got to be jelous of? I had a MY01 WRX and I sold it and moved on? Where on earth did you get the jelousy thing from?
I don't think I ever said that, niether did I say the Clio was the best car on the planet.
- 01/02's seem to deliever slightly less power than the classics - most of the RR guys say that as standard they sit between 199 and the quoted 215bhp.
- 03/04's all produce over the quoted figs - most seem to be in the 229 to 240bhp bracket. With just a backbox added - I have seen figures of between 245 and 260bhp, and one mate of mine with a full APS Exhaust (but nothing else) got 274bhp.
You are more than welcome to try mine anytime to see if your opinion remains the same!
27 July 2004, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by will13
I test drove a Clio Cup last year at the end of the 172's production as my gf was thinking of getting one, I expected it to be almost as fast as a bog standard bugeye but to be honest I was very disappointed in it all round. Didn't even feel fast in a straight line. I was scared to touch anything in the cabin in case something fell off and I'd have to buy it! Felt as if it was made of egg boxes! It's a bit girly as well, nicole, papa an' all that, rather have a much slower, better built/looking car than an ugly small french hatch that just says to the world that you smoke the pink cigar!
27 July 2004, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by MadMark
What Jas says is true - a few more *quoted* bhp, but the actuals are wildly different!
- 01/02's seem to deliever slightly less power than the classics - most of the RR guys say that as standard they sit between 199 and the quoted 215bhp.
- 03/04's all produce over the quoted figs - most seem to be in the 229 to 240bhp bracket. With just a backbox added - I have seen figures of between 245 and 260bhp, and one mate of mine with a full APS Exhaust (but nothing else) got 274bhp.
You are more than welcome to try mine anytime to see if your opinion remains the same!
- 01/02's seem to deliever slightly less power than the classics - most of the RR guys say that as standard they sit between 199 and the quoted 215bhp.
- 03/04's all produce over the quoted figs - most seem to be in the 229 to 240bhp bracket. With just a backbox added - I have seen figures of between 245 and 260bhp, and one mate of mine with a full APS Exhaust (but nothing else) got 274bhp.
You are more than welcome to try mine anytime to see if your opinion remains the same!
27 July 2004, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by jas03WRX
Get your flame suit on Will
I haven't got a Clio by the way....
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27 July 2004, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by will13
rather have a much slower, better built/looking car than an ugly small french hatch that just says to the world that you smoke the pink cigar!
27 July 2004, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by davyboy
So what matcho car did you go for in the end then?
27 July 2004, 10:58 AM
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Oh dear,
Std new age cars are really not that fast at all, deal with it.
Quick 0-60 time on scoob requires technique and a certain lack of sympathy, on a prepped drag strip a well driven FWD car will easily beat a poorly driven AWD car. At speed the extra drive train losses of scoob will work against it, as will it's larger sillhoette, greater mass etc etc etc.
In the light of the (irrefutable) evidence I reallt don't see how you can argue.
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Std new age cars are really not that fast at all, deal with it.
Quick 0-60 time on scoob requires technique and a certain lack of sympathy, on a prepped drag strip a well driven FWD car will easily beat a poorly driven AWD car. At speed the extra drive train losses of scoob will work against it, as will it's larger sillhoette, greater mass etc etc etc.
In the light of the (irrefutable) evidence I reallt don't see how you can argue.
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27 July 2004, 10:59 AM
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My twopenneth:
ignoring Fuel and driver weights etc.
standard WRX (221bhp)........- 161bhp/ton
standard Sti(265bhp)...........- 180 bhp/ton
Sti PPP (300bhp).................- 204 bhp/ton
Sti PPP re-mapped (330bhp)..- 224 bhp/ton
Spec C (335bhp).................- 247 bhp/ton
Classic (with 280bhp)...........- 217bhp/ton
Clio Cup (170bhp)................- 171bhp/ton
No surprise the Clio is a match comparing these figures is it?
Of course a lot of other variables involved, 2WD v 4WD with associated transmission loss etc. etc. but a starting point for comparison purposes.
ignoring Fuel and driver weights etc.
standard WRX (221bhp)........- 161bhp/ton
standard Sti(265bhp)...........- 180 bhp/ton
Sti PPP (300bhp).................- 204 bhp/ton
Sti PPP re-mapped (330bhp)..- 224 bhp/ton
Spec C (335bhp).................- 247 bhp/ton
Classic (with 280bhp)...........- 217bhp/ton
Clio Cup (170bhp)................- 171bhp/ton
No surprise the Clio is a match comparing these figures is it?
Of course a lot of other variables involved, 2WD v 4WD with associated transmission loss etc. etc. but a starting point for comparison purposes.
27 July 2004, 11:00 AM
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slightly off thread but not totally (bear with me)
driver ability is a key to any argument or mass debate (ooooh-er) like this.
I have an MY02sti which is quicker than a WR1 ive tried them extensively back to back one day and my car is quicker on every occasion except when I fluffed a gear change, got over enthusiatic and revved too much, of when the wr1 got the "drop" on me.
What i'm trying to say is that all performance cars are quick for a car to look very quick against another needs about 100bhp (or equivilent weight reduction) MORE for it to pull away noticeably. I remember seeing a clio about 6 months ago 300yds or so infront of me on some back roads he saw me and we both went for it, took me about 1 mile to catch hime and another 2 to finally overtake him (oh and it was a clio v6 and my friend is a better driver than me )
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driver ability is a key to any argument or mass debate (ooooh-er) like this.
I have an MY02sti which is quicker than a WR1 ive tried them extensively back to back one day and my car is quicker on every occasion except when I fluffed a gear change, got over enthusiatic and revved too much, of when the wr1 got the "drop" on me.
What i'm trying to say is that all performance cars are quick for a car to look very quick against another needs about 100bhp (or equivilent weight reduction) MORE for it to pull away noticeably. I remember seeing a clio about 6 months ago 300yds or so infront of me on some back roads he saw me and we both went for it, took me about 1 mile to catch hime and another 2 to finally overtake him (oh and it was a clio v6 and my friend is a better driver than me )
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27 July 2004, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by hawkeye
for a car to look very quick against another needs about 100bhp (or equivilent weight reduction) MORE for it to pull away noticeably.
WRX 260odd BHP
STI 300odd BHP
STIPPP 320++BHP etcetc!
27 July 2004, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by will13
As hot hatches are getting more powerful and are catching up to Imprezas I think it is time that Subaru up'd the antie, and have the next Impreza models in direct competition with the Lancers, e.g......
WRX 260odd BHP
STI 300odd BHP
STIPPP 320++BHP etcetc!
WRX 260odd BHP
STI 300odd BHP
STIPPP 320++BHP etcetc!
another development would be lowering fly to wheel losses.
27 July 2004, 11:14 AM
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Well, Im really convinced and have just ordered a Standard Clio 172 with the additional neons, K&N air filter and twin (wheel barrow) tailpipes.
With such a devastating weapon I am entering the car in the LeMans 24hrs race where it is obvious that I will get an outright victory.
Ill be in Southend this weekend recruiting a top notch second driver for team Bling-Bling fake Burberry.
I thank You
With such a devastating weapon I am entering the car in the LeMans 24hrs race where it is obvious that I will get an outright victory.
Ill be in Southend this weekend recruiting a top notch second driver for team Bling-Bling fake Burberry.
I thank You
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Originally Posted by Hol
Well, Im really convinced and have just ordered a Standard Clio 172 with the additional neons, K&N air filter and twin (wheel barrow) tailpipes.
With such a devastating weapon I am entering the car in the LeMans 24hrs race where it is obvious that I will get an outright victory.
Ill be in Southend this weekend recruiting a top notch second driver for team Bling-Bling fake Burberry.
I thank You
With such a devastating weapon I am entering the car in the LeMans 24hrs race where it is obvious that I will get an outright victory.
Ill be in Southend this weekend recruiting a top notch second driver for team Bling-Bling fake Burberry.
I thank You
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Originally Posted by Hol
Well, Im really convinced and have just ordered a Standard Clio 172 with the additional neons, K&N air filter and twin (wheel barrow) tailpipes.
With such a devastating weapon I am entering the car in the LeMans 24hrs race where it is obvious that I will get an outright victory.
Ill be in Southend this weekend recruiting a top notch second driver for team Bling-Bling fake Burberry.
I thank You
With such a devastating weapon I am entering the car in the LeMans 24hrs race where it is obvious that I will get an outright victory.
Ill be in Southend this weekend recruiting a top notch second driver for team Bling-Bling fake Burberry.
I thank You