TelBoy

Fine line, AP, fine line. I'm surprised you haven't been involved in a number of road rage incidents yourself to be honest.

OllyK

Yes I have read your posts, and you just seem to be digging yourself deeper IMO.

Sounds like you ARE erratic to me.

It would be far less likely I grant you, and I wish people would, but pissing somebody off so the red mist comes down, is not likely to make that person a better driver, if anything it will make them worse, increasing the danger to you and other road users, all because you thought you'd be clever

You say 110 miles a day. Until recently I was doing 180 plus miles a day and to be honest I have not had a regular problem with tail gaters. I don't like them and I deal with it when it happens, but it doesn't happen much. If it is happening to you regularly, mabe you should ask yourself if you are doing something wrong (like lane hogging) and causing the situation (just a guess as you say you don't often go in Lane 3)

Hold on a minute...

Not quite sure how you get a tail gater when there isn't anybody else about on the M1 (quite a unique situation in itself), or at least where nobody else is sufficiently close to be affected. For that to be the case, the gap on the inside of you would need to be sufficiently large to suggest that you should have pulled over by now anyway - think we may be seeing why you have a problem with percieved tail gaters.

Yes they are in the wrong, I am sure your and the other families will take great consolation from that at your grave side. Is that what you plan to have put on your headstone by any chance??

ajm

LOL - love these Scoobynet "Holier than Thou" threads!

OllyK

Yes we have read Post 19, where you seem to be suggesting that you get tail gated on the M1 when there is nobody sufficently close to be affected if the tail gater acts in an adverse manner to you flashing your brake lights at them. Either you get tail gated by nutters who like to sit behind you in lane 1 when the other 2 lanes are empty, or you have enough space around you to pull over - I ask again, which is it?

Senior_AP

If you ignore tailgaters they will continue to do it and bully people.

I wouldn't do it on a dangerous road (eg. Road is dangerous by number of people on it/speed)

Thanks for the reply, worded in a sensible manner unlike some of the other hypocritical children on this site who claim they are whiter than white.

OllyK

So you are the 1 man vigilante to solve the tail gaiting problem then??

Please tell me which part of the M1 you are referring to here.

Also please explain how there isn't room for somebody to pass you due to the proximity of other traffic, and yet they are not close enough to be affected should the person behind swerve.??

Not claiming to be whiter than white. Just wondering why you seem to be so insistent that you are not doing anything wrong, why having a "**** them" type attitude is productive and why your examples seem to contradict themselves.

Senior_AP

Forgive me. I'm being honest.

I forgot that everyone that is mocking me is:

A. The best driver in the world.

B. Is inhuman, never gets annoyed.

C. Never "every now and again" will intentionally provoke someone who is being an utter ****.

D. Have perfect lane discipline.

E. is whiter than white.

F. Never does anything wrong on the raod.


Hypocrits.

However, as this is a chat forum I won't remember this and hopefully we'll share common ground on other threads as many of us on here have done in the past.

P.S. Just had a week in France. Very good, tolerant drivers there.

davyboy

You drive like Mrs daisy anyway!

andrewdelvard

Or even blacker than black.

Btw this stabbing at the brake lights routine....
Very dangerous. Stop it.

Senior_AP

I follow speed limits yes. You were breaking them coming back from Nurburg on the smaller roads. I let off my steam on the 'Ring.

Senior_AP

Not stabbing.....I've probably done it three or four times in my life.....I admit to it and I get persecuted. Everyone is holier than thou....except me.

Maybe I should buy a Scoob and try and race the world.

scoobynutta555

Maybe you have a problem with tailgaters because you go everywhere at 2 mph under the limit?

I certainly have no problem with tailgaters.

I use my noddle as to what is a safe speed in every given road scenario, if that speed is above the posted limit, so be it. I'm not a slave to posted limits, as IMHO many are wrong, too high in some places and too low in others.

As mentioned above, although you may not be braking much when you hit the brakes, you may cause the person behind you to hit them hard which may result in an accident behind you. Also, you're just asking for trouble when some nutter is behind you and you start hitting the brakes. It's a good way of making a nutter lose the plot and potentially do you some damage.

Senior_AP

I don't recall saying I have trouble with tailgaters.....

I said 'when' I am being tail-gaited I will drive to the letter of the law thus proving I am doing nothing wrong. If it persists I've touched the brake pedal enough for a flicker of the light, in the past they have backed off.

Unorthodox, yes. Causes any accidents?? So far its prevented more than its caused.

However, I'll lie through my back teeth like everyone else and say how bad everyone else is and how good I am. Look it must be true, I've written it down!!

scoobynutta555

Get what often, tailgaters?

The point being made if you drove sensibly yourself it would be very rare to have a tailgater.

Just can't fathom out the mentality of going 2 mph under the posted speed limit

And how do you measure accidents prevented by dipping on the brakes?

OllyK

Far from it, reasonable experience, C+E and Advanced Driver, but certainly no Schumacher or Police Class 1.

Inhuman - been accused of that before a good few times Yes I get annoyed, but try to keep things in perspective so that my fustration is not likely to result in actions that could seriously affect others.

Guilty as charged - just look at my posts in this thread

Nope, but would hope that I am better than average

Errr - no comment

I expect we all make numerous little mistakes on every trip, the key is to avoid the biggies that are going to cause a pile up.

A hypocrite would be telling you are an idiot for brake dabbing, but would also do it themselves


You weren't in Paris then

Senior_AP

I'm being taken far too literally. So, I'll not post any more on this thread.

Not Paris no, was in L'ardeche region, very mountainous. About 150km west of the Alps. Very nice.

Senior_AP

Oh ok....one more post!!

The limit is the maximum speed. Hence the word limit. Driving at 28mph in a 30 ensures that I am obiding by that limit but not driving unnecessarily slow. Yeah? So, if I'm being tail-gaited I will do 28mph ; safe in the knowledge that I am not in the wrong whilst captain strop behind me has his paddy at the wheel. I just smile at this.

I don't always drive a t 2mph under the limit unles someone is tailgaiting me......or if there is a camera.

OllyK

You change your story more often than I change my underwear.

So back here you often have a problem with tail gaters, and dabbing your brakes on the M1 is an effective method for dealing with the problem.

And now we have....

Maybe you are just having a "Senior moment"???

Drive to the letter of the law while it suits you, and when you get pi$$ed off with another driver you decide not to bother any more???

Please show the evidence to support that belief, please show on the occasions (three or four times in my life = often ) where you dabbed your brakes that there would have been an accident if you had not done this. That's like climing "I drove past the school at 90 mph and didn't kill anybody so it must be safer to drive past at 90mph rather than 20mph". Just because you have been lucky on these "three or four times" / "often" does not mean it is the right thing to be doing.

Senior_AP

Your posts are huge!!! lol.

Have you ever sent an SMS whilst driving?????????

OllyK

Not really, you just keep changing your story and some of us are getting confused how "often" can suddenly become "I've probably done it three or four times in my life".

Senior_AP

The story hasn't changed. I said "when". I can't give an exact figure as I don't count. On the M1....its not always busy is it. We (being you) assume (once again) that it is.

"If I'm driving sensibly I won't be tailgaited"....err....yeah OK mate.


I'll ask again - have you ever sent an SMS whilst driving???????

OllyK

Nope that would dangerous. I do have a hands free kit in the car, but very rarely use the phone at all as I don't think it is very safe.

SiPie

Don't worry Olly....

He's finally just coming clean about the truth behind his sex life

RB5 Paul

i know what ya mean senior,and i'm with you,nothing worse than some tit sitting on your boot lid.

Senior_AP

I'm in a relationship thank you. Personal insults are not the done thing.

I could take the **** out the fact you're scottish....but I won't.

OllyK

OK, it hasn't done a complete 180, but it is getting there.

You were suggesting that you "often" had a problem with tail gaters on the M1 and that brake dabbing was effective. "Often" in conjunction with 100+ miles a day on the motorway would suggest to me more than 3 or 4 times in a driving lifetime (unless you only passed your test a couple of weeks ago). Put that "often" in a different context, if your wife / girlfriend / boyfriend / partner said you could have sex often, would you be happy with 3 or 4 times in a number of years??

No, the M1 is not always busy, but I have driven it many times and different times, and it is certainly very rare to travel very far without seeing at least 1 other car.

You claim that in the 3 or 4 times you have done this, other vehicles (expect for the tail gater) were not at risk. So please can you confirm that:

1) You were in Lane 1, with no vehicles in Lanes 2 or 3 and you had a nutter sitting on your back end.
2) You were in Lane 2 or 3 with no other vehicles around (so you should have been in lane 1) and you had somebody tail gating you.
3) You were in Lane 2 / 3 but had other vehicles around you preventing you from changing lane safetly, and had a tail gater, thereby endangering the other vehicles by dabbing your brakes.

If there is a different scenario, then please clarify, as from the infromation you have supplied so far I can't figure it out.

OllyK

I don't think anybody is disputing that, tail gaters are a bloody menace, it is how you deal with them so as to minimise the risk of an accident involving yourself or others. Brake dabbing is not the best way to do it.

Henrik

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Senior_AP: I do exactly the same, I'm with you on this!

Atleast once a week I get someone tailgating me. Usually it's the normal boy racers or important looking people in audi's and volkswagens etc.

I find, like Senior, that dabbing the brake light is really effective if they're trying to get into my boot. It usually get's the message across, and they stop tail gating me, endangering myself, themselves and other road users.

Tail gating is one of the worst traffic offences, IMO.

OllyK

Henrik - are you doing massive mileages or something?? What kinds of roads are you driving on??

I am only doing 50 miles a day these days, either A road or M1 and it has been a long time since I had a tail gater. Certainly not had one this year that I can think of. And it isn't due to travelling at high speed either. The M1 between junc 25 and junc 23 is rather busy and your lucky if you can maintain 70 for very long, and again the A roads I use are busy with very few overtaking places.

Senior_AP

Reminds me of that song, "its not right but its ok".