micared

Right, so, just to clarify, you're not sure you're in full agreement with DW then?

P20SPD

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Wouldnt it help if people could read? Next time remove the beer goggles before you post NoobScoob.

chiark

Andy, for the money you could buy a well sorted caterham . Believe it or not, I reckon a Clio 182 with cup handling pack could give the scoob a run for its money in the fun stakes, too.

It really depends how much compromise you want to give between a daily driver that has the room for getting your life into, and how much you want a ***** out drivers car.

Noobscoob, as above, you need to learn to read mate , and possibly chill out a bit . You've hopelessly missed the point... LMAO at the SJ chewing a curly wurly tho

Cheers,
nick.

RoosterRoo

Well, it was the rallying that got me interested in Subarus in the first place, and I must admit it is reassuring to have the rallying development money and heritage coming down into a road going car!

For all those people who are saying they don't like the Subaru (bit of a strange answer for the original question about the rallying history?????), no one is forcing you to drive or own this car. Basically if you don't like it - sell it and get the 'better handling cheaper car' that you know of. There must be something about the Subaru that keeps it on your drive!

David_Wallis

Well if your going to get personal about it.. ****. then...

Full blown **** wart.. hmm thats a new one on me.. next time im having an argument with quentin and tarquin ill bring that one up.. FFS.. think the word you were thinking off was **** hole?

Without the classic ''****heap'' impreza you so slate, your oh so superior sti thingymagig type rb5 wr1 gti would have never seen the road.

Why??? does the ****heap have to be designed before the wr1? technically no..

are you bitter because your 18 and couldnt afford a better model, can only just afford the insurance, cant afford to mod it? and think that the petrol light is a warning light as it is permanently on due to insufficient funds to fill it? (yeah another prob that they didnt deal with) or is it that you are actually happy with the car can afford to spend money on it service it etc, and are just happy with the std car.

Oh no, sorry just seen hope it doesnt have a scoobyecu.

Do I?? Where?? I have never done one trackday in the impreza, I base MY opions on day to day driving on the road.

Where did I say I drive like a complete fukhole? I have no points for speeding and have never been stopped for speeding.

LMFAO.. now I have heard it all.. you obviously know nothing about me or my car.. look at the previous page with the picture I posted.. Now if you knew anything about impreza's you would be able to tell what year it is.. or if you had read this thread from the start... MY car is a 94UK.. not a sti, or newer then anyone elses.. infact in my group of 'scoobynet' friends my car is the oldest..

now your admitting that the car looks ****e and you dont like it, oh and Im not a **** that drools over the size of a bonnet scoop, now if you want to get caught shoving your **** in the bonnet vent of your car then thats between you and the car.

I dont need silly bhp.. just enough. I dont want brakes to rip out my speen.. just ones that stop the car.. I could have had 6pots but ive only got 4.. damn not perfect there either.

Your entitled to your opinions to call me a ******, but I think i know who looks the bigger ****** here..

chiark

That's a lot calmer response than I was expecting

Cheers,
Tarquin.
(Quentin: u at work today? Fancy lunch? We could call each other **** warts! What a wizzard wheeze that would be!)

noobscoob

dave..

i couldn't be arsed to read the posts you put in after the inital slagging you gave the scooby..i mean first impressions and all that,you seem to be a erm..now let me put it in a way even someone as low browed as you can fathom...a bellend?

to just clarify a few things..im not 18,i could afford a far newer model of scoob but instead i chose to spend my money on the build quality/far better depreciation of bmw and not the performance of subaru..hence why i got an older shape import to run about in. i mean come on rockerfeller..why do you drive a uk 94?? perhaps someones just bitter HE couldnt afford a new car?

as for all you other scoob owners that seem to side up to this prat,shame on you..so **** if the scooby isnt the perfect car. jump in an evo lancer 3 and tell me its going to be anywhere close to that of a driving experience of a brand new 8 with super active yaw and all that state of the art malarky..i dont think so. dave..from what you make out you need 4 pots and big perfomance upgrades to drive on the city streets,i could suggest a citroen saxo if you think your scooby isnt cutting it amongst the macdonalds crew???

congrats again for being a complete turdchomper..and ps..i bet thats a new one too! pass that on to quentin and tarquin...

chiark

Oh dear, the holidays are here.

With the money that David has sunk into his MY94, I reckon he could have bought a Litchfield Type 25. An M3 wouldn't be out of the question either, and has been seriously considered. This isn't a pissing contest, it's a statement of fact.

If you truly believe that a classic unmodified scoob outhandles current hot hatches, you need to drive a current hot hatch. Could I respectfully suggest a Clio 182 with the Cup suspension?

The brakes on any scoob prior to 98 do not really match its performance, and you can get yourself in a nasty mess if you exploit the engine and grip. For real world examples, an enthusiastic drive around Milton Keynes, spiritual home of the roundabout, will see brake fade pretty quickly. The 98 saw 4 pots put up front, the 01 saw 2 pots at the rear as well, the sti 7 has always had a brake upgrade out of the factory, the 03 saw changes to the master cylinder. Perhaps that is just to impress the macdonalds crew?

The scoob's power and grip make it a performance car IMHO, but the brakes, handling, and build/interior quality have been fettered with in every major revision. You could argue that those revisions were to keep up with the competition, or you could argue that it was because they weren't all that great in the first place. After all, it was and still is a fairly cheap Japanese mid-size family saloon or hatch. It's significantly more expensive in this country than it is in other places, because that's the market that IM are going for - but that conversation is for another thread

Don't get me wrong: the scoob is a great car, and we are all enthusiasts of the car here. For the money, I don't think you can get a better all-round package, but I don't believe it's the best handling, braking, or most well set-up car out of the box. That's why people modify 'em so much...

It's quite sad to see that you're resorting to personal insults: it hardly dignifies your posts.

Cheers,
Nick.

aceman_uk

NOOB SCOOB

FOR PRESIDENT LMFAO!!!

Agree more with Noob

BUT I feel each and everyone of us has an opinion on this "RALLY" Legend. We ALL drive the Road Going version of it. ITS SIMPLE

NOW NOW Children....Enough of the insults and bad language.....

MODERATOR WHERE R YOUUUUUUUUU LOL

David_Wallis

Read what I have written first then... I have justified what I have written with a few simple facts, something you seem to be lacking, apart from being just that.. simple.

Good choce, means your more happy with the car due to paying less for it, would you be as happy with it if you had paid 20k for it?

Im really sure I couldnt afford a new car.. If you read my previous posts I bought the car cash, no loan. Ive earnt my money.. no mummy and daddy paying for it unlike some peoples cars these days. If you also read back you will se I bought it crash damaged to fix and sell... just ended up keeping it longer than intended...[/quote]

F uck off and get a life.. People are old enough to decide who they do and dont speak to, they dont need you to tell them Im a prat.. Im sure plenty of them allready realise this though... You come across more and more as a ******.. and by reading your posts all you seem bothered about is wind deflectors and a funny noise when thrashing your car. < shakes head >


You also seem fixated and obsessed with the Mitsubishi.. Why dont you sell your sack of **** for the 3k - 4k its worth and get your new dream car which is far superior..

Dont become a detective.. as I have never once posted that my car is used on the road.. Its mainly used for events. (not track days as stated earlier, but you probably never read that either) It may be road legal, but doesnt go to the local mcdonalds..

No problems, it is a new one.. but Ill leave you with that hobby.

David

dannytwo

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i posted this thread to here peoples opinions,which is what i have got,and everyone is entitled to.
but what is the point in slaging people off,the likes of david?

we dont all have to like the invincible subaru!!.

still it makes a good read

LiamWR1

Brilliant..... another Scoobynet CLASSIC thread, I've been laughing so hard my sides ache!! and I thought today would be dull


Keep up the good work fella's.....

SomeDude

Group buy on attentive reading anyone

RoosterRoo

Well, thanks all for brightening up my boring Friday at work all!

This thread is really quite funny (if not a little of the topic)

David_Wallis

making me chuckle too..

If I was bothered I would say sorry If ive offended anyone.. but its only a car (and I use the word car in the loosest way possible!)

David

SomeDude

I guess it can be offensive to people who have their ego invested in their cars.

Personally, I don't think the car is "sh!te" (OK, a little bit ****e ), but it surely is not the performance icon so many people on here want to project.

I even disagree with Nick in that it doesn't even has so much grip, but rather excellent traction (TM Rob Mac)...

It took me loads of money & time to get my Scoob to the level I wanted it to be (MY99). Having two left hands, make that big loads of money... I had fun along the learning curve though.

But admit it David, you just bought that car so you could buy welding equipment

micared

If people on here really think that the road car represents the rally car in any way except body shape, they either need a new telly or they're buying on image, not ability......you don't even have to drive a modern hot hatch to find the flaws in a standard Subaru chassis........try a 10 year old Corrado or an Integra type R for comparison. Doesn't mean the Scoob's a bad car, just that in no way is it the pinnacle of engineering or ability that some of the more emotional types seem to insist it is! Thankfully the pros outweigh the cons as an ownership prospect, but there wouldn't be such prosperous aftermarket activity if the cars were perfect as standard.

David_Wallis

Well said.

Welders Had one or two before, now have three or four

pflowers

I have to admit one of the reasons I bought my MY04WRX was because of the rally pedigree and also knowing they were bloody quick.

To my suprise I actually got a comfortable, well built, reasonably stylish and suprisingly cheap to run family car that just so happens to very quick and AWD.

Sure it can be improved on but so can any car. I think for the money they are pretty much unbeatable, I mean for god sake they are in the same price bracket as a Mondeo / Vectra etc.

Not perfect ? of course, Pile of Sh!te ? get real.

David_Wallis

pflowers.. look at the year of the car I am commenting on.

pflowers

Ok, but your first post on this thread did state that all standard cars were
'sh!te' I don't see a year mentioned anywhere.

So I take it my car is not 'sh!te' then after all !

micared

Just don't understand this 'rally pedigree' pony and trap! Are you really that gullible that you think you're getting a sniff of the car that Petter Solberg has as a company vehicle? Try driving some of evo magazines 5 star cars...not the new ones, the 10 year old ones, then come back on and talk about rally pedigree.....it's just bollox. If the rally car blew up after 15 mins of flat out driving the way the road car does, Subaru wouldn't have been near a finish, let alone winning anything. If it's so representative of the rally car, why don't they address the issue on the road car by moving the i/c to a sensible place?

pflowers

I don't think anyone is/was under the impression that the road car is anything like the rally car ( me included ) Not sure where you are coming from on this.

aceman_uk

Enough of this scoob talk...

Wheres the Insults LOL

Its makin work ALL the more interesting.....Lets kick it off again...Prezas are CR@P

RoosterRoo

Micared,

Do you understand that the rally heritage DOES 'trickle' down the line in some way shape or form to the road going car. The money that goes into the R&D of the rally car will at some point help the abilities of the road going equivalent. This is the same in all industries be it from motoring to electronics. Things like active YAW control or DCCD would not be on today’s road going cars if it was not for the racing teams behind the companies.

noobscoob

i posted about an annoying whining on my car(at 3 k and above..erm hardly going redline crazy is it)..it turns out it was the power steering. i asked for advice..did i get any..erm no,thus i solved the problem myself. the wind deflector is to replace a broken item on my car..im sure you would drive with one on and on off??

dissing my previous enqiries and item requests on here isnt big..or clever. thankfully my car runs to perfection and i need not ask for other advice for problems that i dont have..hence my lack of posts.

dave,you obviously have issues with the car you drive..why not sell up and move on,if your car isnt to your satisfaction..i mean if im not happy with something i use my brain and get the problem solved,in your case perhaps anopther car and another forum? and to the smart **** that chimed up about modern hot hatches..well i have driven quite a few..and lots and lots of older models too.

ask what one gives me more smiles per mile and id say the scooby...its cheap,its fast and i dont know how you drive young david but my car can handle corners very nicely thanks without body roll..tipping over or spinning out into a garden fence. maybe its your driving style you need to address and not the cars so called failings? if you want ****ty turbo handling look no further than the mr2 turbo....i hated mine yet i had the good grace not to gripe on like a **** on the imoc forums. maybe you should go join that bunch of knobrubbers?

David_Wallis

im really finding it hard to not post what I want to post..

Drive without winddeflectors would be me choice.. as I dont have any..

No, it isnt big or clever but neither is calling people a ******..

The lack of posts isnt a problem everyone starts at 0. The lack of brain cells is a problem, or having the narrow mindedness to not admit that the car has shortfalls is.

your correct, I do have issues with my car.. come to ten of the best (www.totb.co.uk) and I will quitehappily take the time to discuss them / point them out to you.

The get another car comment is quite funny, I was toying with the idea of buying the ultimate driving machine.. but having driven the M3 SMG I decided it was a sack of ****. Not for me. Nice car and one Im sure with an extended drive I may begin to warm to.. I am currently thinking about buying a volkswagen golf diesel.. but then thats not really got anything to do with you.

Ahh ha.. now we get somewhere.. maybe its my driving style.. maybe your correct.. However it could be that everyone wants different things from their car.. and maybe you are justsatisfied / content with your car, and just dont like the fact that somepeople may have greater expections / aspirations than you??

If the car is fine though, I cant understand why there are literally 100's of different suspension combination / options avaiable targeted at road users

It think your other problem is that you have a general bad feeling about forums.. Did someone do something bad / nasty / **** to you on a forum thats affected / effected (never remember the difference) you mentally hence your general frustrated attitude when people disagree?

David

Richard Askew

David_Wallis

oh and just to add, if you want to find me on another forum..

Im allready on..

scoobynet.co.uk
bbs.22b.com
5ive-o.com
scoobycity
nasioc.com
turbosport.co.uk
passionford
LancerRegister
gtr.co.uk
autronic
maxpower - just to get tips for ******** bonnet scoops at mcdonalds

Nexuas

At the risk of coming to the party a little late and opening a whole new can of worms...

I drive a sport, yes a watered down version of the the watered down road going version of the rally car. With a staggering 135.5 BHP if powerstation are to be believed.

Now when I first brought the car I though it was amazing, it felt fast, gripped the road like nothing else I had driven.

But slowly you get used to it and start to find the limit, yes the brakes are awful, and the propensety to understeer is huge. so....

I got 16" turbo wheels, and guess waht they helped improve the handling of the car, but showed up how poor the brakes are. so...

I purchased some <MY98 two pot brakes with uprated pads, and this improved the braking no end and for a while these felt amazing, but they helped to show up the poor handling more. so...

It had Eibachs fitted and geometry done by powerstation, new toyo TS-1's were fitted aswell. Guess what the handling felt amazing and the car cornered like it was on rails. And now I have go used to this and gues what? the handling again feels sub standard, the front is really understeery, and the back is just a bit too twitchy.

In the next few weeks the rear ARB is being sorted and it will probably go back to powerstation and have the bumpsteer mod done, but I am sure in time it will start to feel poor in the handling department once I get used to it again and find the point where the limit of grip has moved to.

Now possibly the point of the argument...

I could upgrade my car to a turbo of the same year and have more power from the engine, but to be honest I think this would be a step back in the handling department and I would have all these problems to sort out. I feel my car is equal to/beyond the handling of a standard unmodded UK turbo (Flame suit zipped up!!!!!!!!!) so if the sport engine can propel the car beyond these limits, then how OVERPOWERED is the turbo model for the handeling package?

Having said all of this I would not change my car, because for the money I could not buy anything of the same age which would out handle it?????

Oh and as for why I brought the car??? The firt car I drove after passing my test was an old Subaru 1600 which belonged to my girlfriends parents, and this memory stuck with me, then a few years latter I saw a TV ad for the impreza (Think it was at the MY98 facelift stage) and it was about 3 minutes long and just sold the car to me, I had never been in one, only seen them, started reading scoobynet, and decided I must have one, I test drove a bugeyed GX and hated it (Lack of feel through the steering). Went and tooked my current sport (MY98) for a test drive and brought it on the spot and have yet to look back.

It is a good car, but they are not great out of the box, they need work to make them better, but for the money, I think you would be hard pushed to beat them.

Just my Opinion though!!!!