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Old 05 July 2004, 11:04 AM
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Indeed, that was me.

I was the one who arrived late, after being sent to the wrong location!
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Old 05 July 2004, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by kend
Indeed, that was me.

I was the one who arrived late, after being sent to the wrong location!
Yeah so were we. First address was in Olton
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Old 05 July 2004, 11:23 AM
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What's this then, SN group meets at any specified rta's?
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Old 05 July 2004, 11:25 AM
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One of our Local A&E Dr/Consultant has an sti. Sometimes see it about with Green light bar on the roof.
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Old 05 July 2004, 11:27 AM
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Definately not illegal and not surprising either.
Vast majority of cases brought to A&E by ambulance are not even remotely true emergencies and use of the blue lights is up to the crew concerned.
On way to work last night in A&E I was rather saddened by the fire service bereavement van which passed 4 vehicles at innapropriate points using blue lights and then drove at a very low speed holding traffic up.
The use of emergency lights is supposed to be for true emergencies only however the definition can vary - cold pizza / time to go home!!!
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Old 05 July 2004, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by brendy
Definately not illegal and not surprising either.
Vast majority of cases brought to A&E by ambulance are not even remotely true emergencies and use of the blue lights is up to the crew concerned.
That may be the case but while a badly broken leg might not be life threatening you wont want to spend an hour in an ambulance trying to get to hospital. It may be appropriate for the ambulance crew to jump traffic using blue lights then turn them off once they get by and keep in traffic.
It's very hard for the crew to diagnose internal bleeding or the effects of shock for instance. The quicker the patient gets to A&E the better.

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Old 05 July 2004, 11:42 AM
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Have to disagree with the above comment remember its safety that counts not speed in vast majority of cases. Paramedic staff are very capable of giving the same analgesia that will be given in hospital.
If not a true emergency then blue lights should not be used as you are at risk of causing a further accident.
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Old 05 July 2004, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by brendy
Have to disagree with the above comment remember its safety that counts not speed in vast majority of cases. Paramedic staff are very capable of giving the same analgesia that will be given in hospital.
If not a true emergency then blue lights should not be used as you are at risk of causing a further accident.
The crews are trained medically as well as advanced drivers. They will weigh up the situation and risk assess the patient and danger to road users which is why they may use blues on and off.
The chap with the broken leg may get his pain relief but he may be suffering from shock or other internal injuries and the break itself maybe cuting off blood to his leg increasing the risk of amputation. These are the type of complications the crew will be aware off even if they can't 100% diagnose them.
If the ambulance driver can save minutes sat at a junction by putting on the blues and safely creeping by then that would be the correct decision IMO.

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Old 05 July 2004, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by brendy
Vast majority of cases brought to A&E by ambulance are not even remotely true emergencies
Also remember that there is not a infinite supply of ambulances.
The less time they are "occupied" the better, allowing them to be ready for the next emergency....

You may need them one day....best to let them get on with their job without interference.....seems to be an awful lot of part-time paramedics on here who seem to think they know the job better than the professionals
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Old 05 July 2004, 12:05 PM
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Can't understand why so many are quoting excuses for overtaking an emergency vehicle on a call out.

There is no way that you would know how serious an emergency is being dealt with. Surely it is only fair to give the vehicle the maximum space to go on his way and do all you can to avoid holding him up in any way.

One day it might be you in the ambulance in a bad way and needing full hospital treatment as soon as possible. I bet you would think differently in that case!

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Old 05 July 2004, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by imlach
You may need them one day
I'm sure that I wouldn't be here today if it wasn't for the Paramedics and A&E staff. One guy who goes to Cardiac re-hab with me "Died" three times in the Ambulance on his way to hospital.

If an Amblance is doing 40 in a 60 with blue lights on just maybe the paramedic in the back is trying to restart someones heart or get someone breathing. A highly stressfull moment for the driver, just be aware that his concentration may not be on overtaking cars.

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Old 05 July 2004, 12:28 PM
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I would have thought that another car in front to pass when the traffic slows is the last thing some one on an emergency call needs, just another obstacle in the way. Just good luck that he turned off in this instance.
Unless you need to be in the way or have a pressing need (?) to pass them why bother? This guy is doing an important job, hopefully saving some ones life (even if he is a crap driver). Just get out of the way and stay like the good book says....
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Old 05 July 2004, 12:32 PM
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Unfortunately you are not getting the point I am trying to make.
In todays society an ambulance is a commodity which the general public demands for whatever they see fit and the ambulance service have to provide transport to A&E except for London which has recently introduced rationing.
I am hardly an amateur as the paramedics deliver cases for me to supervise the patients treatment - I am simply pointing out that in my opinion blue lights are overused given the severity or lack of illness in the vast majority of cases transported to hospital as an emergency.
A 105 year old who has suffered a cardiac arrest with no hope of resuscitaion is still transported to local A&E as an emergency case often at high speed as these are the regulations the paramedic community are shackled with.
Most older paramedics agree with my sentiments expressed here safety is paramont and speed is secondary.
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Old 05 July 2004, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by brendy
I am hardly an amateur as the paramedics deliver cases for me to supervise the patients treatment
You are an amateur - you are NOT a paramedic
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Old 05 July 2004, 12:40 PM
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Yeah what was I thinking I only teach paramedics on all the life support courses and major incident management courses they have to do as well as treat the patients once they have arrived.
It's tough being so underqualified but I will bow to your superior experience in emergency medicine.
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Old 05 July 2004, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by brendy
Yeah what was I thinking I only teach paramedics on all the life support courses and major incident management courses they have to do as well as treat the patients once they have arrived.
It's tough being so underqualified but I will bow to your superior experience in emergency medicine.
What is your professional job title just out of interest?
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Old 05 July 2004, 12:45 PM
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I have a piece of humble pie here with the name Imlach on it.
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Old 05 July 2004, 12:45 PM
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Its nice to be able to know the severity of a patient in an ambulance with the blues going ...... second sight or something. Me I just get out of the way as I think "blue lights" = emergency.

Fire engines are pretty slow even at full chat but dont go passing one of those with its blues on......
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Old 05 July 2004, 12:47 PM
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A&E specialist registrar - thankfully finished training in a few months.
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Old 05 July 2004, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by brendy
A&E specialist registrar - thankfully finished training in a few months.
As I understand it a Paramedic cannot decide when a patient is just a donor or might be in with a chance given definative medical care. Only a qualified doctor can play god like that.
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Old 05 July 2004, 01:38 PM
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havent read any of the above but they have them on to move heavy traffic & off it not. your abit of a nonce if you overtook it again, esp if he was doing 60 in a 60...
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Old 05 July 2004, 03:38 PM
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Kend

What a job

Almost as good as this one

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Old 07 July 2004, 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Scoob99
Tonight whilst on my way home from work I heard two tone's and checked my mirror and saw an ambulance coming, so I moved over and let him pass, got to the next roundabout and he went round it twice with the blue's turned off, he then went onto a 60mph road doing between 55 and 60 mph and then turned his blues back on, when it was safe I over took him and I don't think he was too pleased about that, should I expect a vist from the old bill??
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As long as you were following the rules of the road you have nothing to worry about. Fortunately they don't hide Gatsos, Truvelos, Specs or "ooohhh he's going a bit quick" camreras in Ambulances. As long as you were out the way when he wanted you out the way you'll be fine.
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Old 07 July 2004, 08:26 AM
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I was well out of his way, may I point out that the road we were on was a straight 60mph road, and beleive me nobody knows how important these guys are they saved my life after I was nearly killed by a drunk driver.
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Old 07 July 2004, 04:39 PM
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Every situation needs to be weighed up on its own merits.

However, if the ambulance is doing 50mph with its blues and two's on a 60mph road, how do you know it's not just taking it steady as its about to approach the scene of an accident. If you overtake it in those circumstances, your going to look pretty silly when you have to slam the anchors on and would deserve a mouthful from the driver!!!
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Old 07 July 2004, 04:59 PM
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scoob99 , i just think that it is a vastly stupid thing to do , ie no common sense , what did overtaking the ambulance achieve ?? please tell us !!
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