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Should cat owners be legally responsible for thier pets actions?
21 June 2004, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Jye
I think what this thread really shows, even though you find it so hard to believe, is that you and OllyK, and perhaps Tel, are the only ones on SN atm who share the same opinions regarding cat ownership 
21 June 2004, 12:37 PM
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Yeah I'm sure theres lots of stuff we would all like to change Tel, its all about being realistic though. Take my giraffe Tyson, he hates his lead, just hates it
21 June 2004, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by **************
AJM and OllyK you really do take the award for the most ridiculous discussions I have ever seen on this forum.
Bird **** is well known to potentially carry very harmfull bacteria, as does fox ****. I tell you what while your so upset about animals poohing in your garden why don't you add all species of wildlife to your campaign 
The easy answer here is to totally enclose your garden
What makes me laugh on this as well is that you seem to think that if the garden is clear from animal droppings its going to be perfectly safe for babies/children to play on You think that beacause there is no animal **** on your garden there arnt plenty of harmful germs and bacteria just sitting in the earth?
You think that beacause there is no animal **** on your garden there arnt plenty of harmful germs and bacteria just sitting in the earth?
LOL you really do want to wake up and realise your argument is nothing less than pathetic
21 June 2004, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ajm
For the purposes of this debate you are going to have to accept that I have had paw marks on my car with associated claw scratches and I have excrement in the grass. If I didn't I wouldn't be participating in this debate.
If you want me to take your point of view seriously you are going to have to cease being so presumtious as to tell me what damage I have and havn't had.
The health issues are well documented. Look them up. If you have any further questions then come back to me.
If you want me to take your point of view seriously you are going to have to cease being so presumtious as to tell me what damage I have and havn't had.
The health issues are well documented. Look them up. If you have any further questions then come back to me.
i'm pretty certain it was my neighbour's cat as i've chased it off the roof of the Pug a few times (little **** was trying to climb in the sunroof yesterday avo). i've also had to clean up loads excrement, which again i'm pretty certain isn't limited to my cats alone.
its ******* annoying - i know, but its what they do. if we decided not to keep cats as pets they'd be ferral, but still **** on your lawn, scratch your car and be more likely to cause harm to children/adults because they are wild/de-humanised (new for the Oxford English Dictionary?).
i'm sure if you have evidence that someone's cat is causing damage, then you can bring a case against the owner... forcing them to take more control of their pet (in a fair and humane manner of course) - treating a specific case individually is perhaps the way to deal with it rather than generalising.
21 June 2004, 12:44 PM
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Whenever I'm working on the engine, or polishing the car, one of my cats will always keep me company, walking round the engine bay, disappearing down the sunroof, etc Makes me smile every time. Yet I've not got one scratch on the bodywork !
I've no idea why, maybe you've got lard-**** moggies with un-trimmed claws where you live.
But my cats seem to have no problem in jumping on\off my car without writing it off.
Matt
I've no idea why, maybe you've got lard-**** moggies with un-trimmed claws where you live.
But my cats seem to have no problem in jumping on\off my car without writing it off.
Matt
21 June 2004, 12:44 PM
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(little **** was trying to climb in the sunroof yesterday avo)
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21 June 2004, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ALi-B
Have you by per chance seen the Ford Sportka advert??
LOL@google ad:
Might solve the problem of scratches on the paint
LOL@google ad:
Might solve the problem of scratches on the paint
yeah...
muffleman,
my cats (in particular the younger one) are the same - always want to be involved in whatever you're doing and they admittedly don't seem to cause any damage. the neighbour's cat however, is a lard-****!
21 June 2004, 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by juan
Maybe it was another creature that shat on your lawn then?
Did the paw prints wash off?
Did the paw prints wash off?
I can't take it too seriously because I get this feeling that even if your house fell down there would be some cat related reason for it
21 June 2004, 12:54 PM
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As I have already said, birds and foxes are not the product of someone elses actions. I have to put up with them, I do not have to put up withthe actions of other people.
I can see where you are coming from with the pooh, foot prints on car, killing birds, pond fish etc but its a very minor issue in the whole scheme of issues in Britain. You are in a very small minority of people who hate cats. I no longer have a pet cat but I still don't kick up a fuss if I find a cat **** in the garden, but then don't anyway because they always bury their pooh. Mine always did and so it seems do the neigbours.
Until the law does a complete u turn and makes owning a cat as a pet no longer legal then you are going to have to accept that people do not have to keep their cats under control, basically because its cruel to do it.
21 June 2004, 12:57 PM
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i know, but its what they do. if we decided not to keep cats as pets they'd be ferral
1 - dog owners clear up after thier dogs and keep them on leads to avoid them killing things.
2 - horse owners keep them in fields and muck out their stables
3 - bird owners keep their birds in cages and clean them out
4 - rodent owners keep their rats / guniea pigs/ rabbits in hutches cages and clean them out
5 - reptile owners keep their pets in appropriate cages / tanks with heating etc and clean them out.
Cat owners - chuck their pets outside to fend for themseleves, at risk of being run over by cars, getting attacked by foxes or other cats and to crap on other people's property and then get upset when people complain about it and claim their pet is so special to them and yet they put it at risk every time they let it out, makes no sense to me.
21 June 2004, 01:01 PM
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very small minority of people who hate cats
21 June 2004, 01:01 PM
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Lets get this in perspective. At no point did I say that this issue is more or less important than any other issue affecting the world we live in. We started this thread to debate one specific subject:
"Should cat owners be responsible for their cat's actions?"
Posts should be either arguing for or against this specific question. Arguing what birds, dogs and foxes do is irrelevant to the debate, as is whether or not we should even be having this debate in favour of other issues.
It is a subject that affects me personally, and it is also a subject about which I know a lot, hence I am here in the thick of it instead of doing my work!
"Should cat owners be responsible for their cat's actions?"
Posts should be either arguing for or against this specific question. Arguing what birds, dogs and foxes do is irrelevant to the debate, as is whether or not we should even be having this debate in favour of other issues.
It is a subject that affects me personally, and it is also a subject about which I know a lot, hence I am here in the thick of it instead of doing my work!
21 June 2004, 01:05 PM
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The fact is a cat is not an animal that can be kept in doors with out being cruel to it (denying it its natural desire to roam).
I'm sure if you let your ginea pig or hamster out it's cage it would resume it's natural instintcs and roam about.
What's the difference?
You saying it's not cruel to deny a dog or other housepets it's natural instincts but it's cruel to do it to a cat?
Yeah...whatever
21 June 2004, 01:10 PM
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getting attacked by foxes
So its something else to add to the hunted list My two used to stalk the fox walking up my parents road and then attack it as it passed the garden A cats only real threat is a road/vehicles and other cats, oh and people with air guns eh ajm
A cat can not be caged without being cruel to it. You can not train a cat to be walked on a lead like a dog, they are not as domesticated as a dog and will not obey orders like a dog. Cats are independant animals and use humans for food and affection becasue they have learnt its in their best interests to do so. However a cat will only do what it wants to do and go where it wants to go, they can not be trained to go on leads for walks and do what you want them to do.
21 June 2004, 01:11 PM
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Just like to add my two penny worth if possible, I haven't read all the posts so if I've missed some important points feel free to point them out to me.
Here goes (flame suit on)
I have two cats and they NEVER go outside. Cat owners who let their cats go out are as far as I'm concerned irresponsible lazy barstewards, with no respect for their cats or other peoples property. There is no need for a cat to go outside, my two cats are 8 years old now and have every thing they require INSIDE the house. Every person who comes to my house comments on what lovely contented cats they are.
I also have a dog, 12 fish and 16 birds as pets, should I also turf these out of the house every morning when I go to work as well as my cats?
I am lucky that I can pop home at dinner time when I'm working and spend a bit of time with my pets, but those that say its cruel to lock pets up for 10 hours a day while they are at work, I agree with you, but there is a simple answer, DONT HAVE PETS.
I also get p*ssed off by other peoples cats who let them out all day and night, I'm sick off their cats sh*tting all over MY lawn, walking all over MY cars and worrying MY birds outside in MY avairy, which is situated in MY garden.
let the flames begin! lol
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Here goes (flame suit on)
I have two cats and they NEVER go outside. Cat owners who let their cats go out are as far as I'm concerned irresponsible lazy barstewards, with no respect for their cats or other peoples property. There is no need for a cat to go outside, my two cats are 8 years old now and have every thing they require INSIDE the house. Every person who comes to my house comments on what lovely contented cats they are.
I also have a dog, 12 fish and 16 birds as pets, should I also turf these out of the house every morning when I go to work as well as my cats?
I am lucky that I can pop home at dinner time when I'm working and spend a bit of time with my pets, but those that say its cruel to lock pets up for 10 hours a day while they are at work, I agree with you, but there is a simple answer, DONT HAVE PETS.
I also get p*ssed off by other peoples cats who let them out all day and night, I'm sick off their cats sh*tting all over MY lawn, walking all over MY cars and worrying MY birds outside in MY avairy, which is situated in MY garden.
let the flames begin! lol
oatcake
21 June 2004, 01:11 PM
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Ok, for the first time the Yes's have taken the lead! Are people realising that taking responsibility for their own pet isn't such an unreasonable request afterall?
It seems I am no longer a minority!
It seems I am no longer a minority!
21 June 2004, 01:13 PM
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Posts should be either arguing for or against this specific question. Arguing what birds, dogs and foxes do is irrelevant to the debate, as is whether or not we should even be having this debate in favour of other issues.
BTW I phoned our local vet and asked him about keeping cats indoors and he said that while it is possible with some cats it all depends on the cat, many will be OK but others can become overweight (not usual for cats), can become withdrawn, may start to pace and become restless, and become aggressive to other cats in the household, or even spray around the house.
In essence he stated that cats naturally prefer to roam freely, to climb, jump, run etc.
21 June 2004, 01:13 PM
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maybe we should create two separate (but equal ) societies. one could be in the frozen **** end of the country, and the other in the inhabitable part. one will have cats roaming freely, and the other will have no cats. some geezer called hadrian will be contracted to build a big wall to keep the cats out of our part. we will see which society develops more successfully over the next 10 millennia.
) societies. one could be in the frozen **** end of the country, and the other in the inhabitable part. one will have cats roaming freely, and the other will have no cats. some geezer called hadrian will be contracted to build a big wall to keep the cats out of our part. we will see which society develops more successfully over the next 10 millennia.
21 June 2004, 01:15 PM
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Well done Oatcake, precisely the sort of input and perspective this thread needed! You have a veritable zoo's worth of animals there, I don't envy your food bill!
21 June 2004, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by **************
A cat can not be caged without being cruel to it.
You can not train a cat to be walked on a lead like a dog, they are not as domesticated as a dog and will not obey orders like a dog.
21 June 2004, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Jye
But people have, many have commented that while owners do take a degree of responsibility for their pet (getting their cats neutered, feeding them well and regularly, playing with them and giving them toys and catnip to keep them occupied etc) but that you cannot keep a cat locked up or put it on a lead. Both you and Olly think that you can keep them indoors and put them on a lead and so there the debate ends.
BTW I phoned our local vet and asked him about keeping cats indoors and he said that while it is possible with some cats it all depends on the cat, many will be OK but others can become overweight (not usual for cats), can become withdrawn, may start to pace and become restless, and become aggressive to other cats in the household, or even spray around the house.
In essence he stated that cats naturally prefer to roam freely, to climb, jump, run etc.
BTW I phoned our local vet and asked him about keeping cats indoors and he said that while it is possible with some cats it all depends on the cat, many will be OK but others can become overweight (not usual for cats), can become withdrawn, may start to pace and become restless, and become aggressive to other cats in the household, or even spray around the house.
In essence he stated that cats naturally prefer to roam freely, to climb, jump, run etc.
21 June 2004, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Oatcake
Just like to add my two penny worth if possible, I haven't read all the posts so if I've missed some important points feel free to point them out to me.
Here goes (flame suit on)
I have two cats and they NEVER go outside. Cat owners who let their cats go out are as far as I'm concerned irresponsible lazy barstewards, with no respect for their cats or other peoples property. There is no need for a cat to go outside, my two cats are 8 years old now and have every thing they require INSIDE the house. Every person who comes to my house comments on what lovely contented cats they are.
oatcake
Here goes (flame suit on)
I have two cats and they NEVER go outside. Cat owners who let their cats go out are as far as I'm concerned irresponsible lazy barstewards, with no respect for their cats or other peoples property. There is no need for a cat to go outside, my two cats are 8 years old now and have every thing they require INSIDE the house. Every person who comes to my house comments on what lovely contented cats they are.
oatcake
21 June 2004, 01:21 PM
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In essence he stated that cats naturally prefer to roam freely, to climb, jump, run etc.
21 June 2004, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by K9VYN
my cats are lovely, contented and well looked after! they usually get to go out when they want to! os what makes your cats better than mine?
21 June 2004, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by K9VYN
my cats are lovely, contented and well looked after! they usually get to go out when they want to! os what makes your cats better than mine?
21 June 2004, 01:26 PM
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Bravo2zero,
Sorry m8 but I've never heard such crap in my life.
Keeping a cat inside and never letting it out is not caging it and its not cruel, ask a vet.
A cat can be trained to walk on a lead.
A cat can be trained to use a litter tray inside the house.
A cat can be trained to respond to command from its owner, just like a dog.
How do I know the above? I know because MY two cats do all the above.
Like I've said before cat owners who turf their cats out when they go to work, go to bed are just lazy.
If any cat owner wants their cats to do any of the above, like my cats do, simply spent time with the cat and train it like you would a dog. You only get out what YOU put in.
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Sorry m8 but I've never heard such crap in my life.
Keeping a cat inside and never letting it out is not caging it and its not cruel, ask a vet.
A cat can be trained to walk on a lead.
A cat can be trained to use a litter tray inside the house.
A cat can be trained to respond to command from its owner, just like a dog.
How do I know the above? I know because MY two cats do all the above.
Like I've said before cat owners who turf their cats out when they go to work, go to bed are just lazy.
If any cat owner wants their cats to do any of the above, like my cats do, simply spent time with the cat and train it like you would a dog. You only get out what YOU put in.
oatcake
21 June 2004, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ajm
This doesn't make his cats better, it makes him a more responsible owner than you. The cats are well looked after, safe from harm outside and do not inflict any misery on his neighbours.