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Should cat owners be legally responsible for thier pets actions?
21 June 2004, 10:48 AM
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I reckon there is a PhD in this. Cat owners become irrational, delusional, angry and even violent to protect their right not to take proper responsibility for their pet.
It is known that some parasites alter the behaviour of their hosts in order to prolong their own existence. Would the most prolific pro-cat activists on here agree to be tested for toxoplasma gondii cysts?
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21 June 2004, 10:54 AM
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Question: To cat owners - does it worry you when you kick your cat out of the house knowing that so many people have a reason to hate your pet?
If not you should be worried, because your cats are causing many people misery. Your attitude towards those people amounts to "screw you, I'm alright Jack". Given this, would you really be that surprised if your cat never came home one night?
If not you should be worried, because your cats are causing many people misery. Your attitude towards those people amounts to "screw you, I'm alright Jack". Given this, would you really be that surprised if your cat never came home one night?
21 June 2004, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by ajm
They can't even admit there is a problem either. Basically, if you own a cat and you release it into the wild knowing that it has a negative effect upon other people and other animals, yet you release it anyway, you are selfish by definition.
I can admit that my car causes a negative effect on people and the environment and that my use of it is mainly selfish. There.
Now you....
I can admit that my car causes a negative effect on people and the environment and that my use of it is mainly selfish. There.
Now you....
21 June 2004, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
LOL Cats wind up petty curtain twitchers.
3 - 0 to the cat.
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3 - 0 to the cat.
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If it was law like with a dog then fair enough it would be the cat owners responsibility.
If its not law then its just down to peoples' personal views, which obviously differ, and trying to impose your 'view' on someone else is not appropriate
This is about as pointless as my cars better than yours as no-one will ever change their views.
If someone wants to alter the law then they need to get campaigning.
21 June 2004, 10:58 AM
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Becuase you would actually have to care for your pet?
Because You'd have to make an effort to get off your backside and excersise it??
Because you would have to take some kind of responsibility for it rather than putting half a can of cat food down for it once a day??
Because You'd have to make an effort to get off your backside and excersise it??
Because you would have to take some kind of responsibility for it rather than putting half a can of cat food down for it once a day??
I have a few work m8's who own dogs that are locked up all day, in my mind that is pretty selfish and cruel to the dog, as would be locking a cat up all day. And before you say well you shouldnt have a pet if you cant walk it regualry, fair enough, but I'd like to hear how many dog owners actually have the luxury of living near their home or not working full time in order that they can walk their dogs regualrly. Its already been stated on SN that loads of seemingly responsible dog owners think its OK to walk the dog in the morning and then when they get home at night.
Quick poll of the 12 people in my office (two of whom voted on here ajm, one 'against' the cat owners btw), 4 own cats and 4 own dogs. Only one dog owner lives near enough to get home at lunch time, one other has a wife who doesnt work and the other two leave their dog in all day. One guy used to bring his dog to work in the car until people complained that it was barking all day. One cat owner keeps thier cat in doors all the time (smelly litter tray) and two others let their cats out via cat flaps as I do.
I'm pretty sure with the usual patern of working life these days that many owners keep their pets locked up indoors for an unreasonable length of time. Now that may not be the case with you Olly, but I'd say that it deffo happens and that it is pretty cruel.
21 June 2004, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
LOL Cats wind up petty curtain twitchers.
3 - 0 to the cat.
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3 - 0 to the cat.
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21 June 2004, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by K9VYN
you stop using your car and or any vehicle that has a negative on the environment and i'll keep my cats indoors
So can I take this as acceptance that you are being selfish by releasing your pet?
21 June 2004, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by ajm
Question: To cat owners - does it worry you when you kick your cat out of the house knowing that so many people have a reason to hate your pet?
Our cat comes on te dog walks with us sometimes and EVERY one she meets crouches down and says hello to her. Not one person has been anti cat. This kinda points to your view being the minority in my experience.
However I'm sure there is the odd disturbed person out there who has very little regard for other animals and would try to cause them harm. (like the ******* who kicked the wallaby to death). As has been said, what gives humans the right to dictate nature anyway? Its a selfish attitude and one you obviously adhere to.
The dog comes with us to work every day so he's fine. The cat is free to come and go as she pleases so she's fine (until she meets a human nutter who loses control over some natural act).
If it distresses someone so much then get your garden trowel and flick it over the wall. Take you 2 seconds.
Then get on with your life.
This could be applied to anything. I shouldn't have to put up with crap drivers but I do. Its not gonna drive me insane
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21 June 2004, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by MooseRacer
Because you're concerned about it?
I suppose you are one of the magnanimous people that when somebody crashes in to your car you just say "its OK, your not responsible, I'll sort it all out"??
Why do cat owners seem to loose all sense of reason when discussing their furry little killers? Put lack of responsibility in to another context and they go nuts, but when it affects their cat they don't want to know
21 June 2004, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by juan
I think you're in the minority mate.
As has been said, what gives humans the right to dictate nature anyway? Its a selfish attitude and one you obviously adhere to.
21 June 2004, 11:05 AM
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Oh FFS OLLYK
See this -
Know what it means, or is it just the good old rolleyes that you understand?
Now, what was it you said about loosing all sense of reason?
See this -
Know what it means, or is it just the good old rolleyes that you understand?
Now, what was it you said about loosing all sense of reason?
21 June 2004, 11:06 AM
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I reckon there is a PhD in this. Cat owners become irrational, delusional, angry and even violent to protect their right not to take proper responsibility for their pet.
It is known that some parasites alter the behaviour of their hosts in order to prolong their own existence. Would the most prolific pro-cat activists on here agree to be tested for toxoplasma gondii cysts?
It is known that some parasites alter the behaviour of their hosts in order to prolong their own existence. Would the most prolific pro-cat activists on here agree to be tested for toxoplasma gondii cysts?
21 June 2004, 11:07 AM
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Man I find this thread hilarious ! I have a dog and four cats (yup, read 'em and weep FOUR !)
My dog craps on our lawn, yet I NEVER find a cat crap on the lawn. If I look hard enough, I could probably dig a few out of the flower beds, but not exactly the inavoidable monstrosities some are claiming them to be !
Both my neighbours have cats, yet I still don't have a problem.
It would seem as a few on these boards are suffering with a particular, evil breed of cat that I've never heard of. They study the patterns of the cerebrally challenged and place hidden turds in their paths
, attack their children, vandalise their cars and cause 'misery' !!!Get a grip ! It's a cat FFS, they've been around forever and they'll be around forever. I could be wrong, but I THINK there are more important things to get bent out of shape about !!!
Sheesh !
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21 June 2004, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by ajm
That doesn't mean I have to put up with it. As a minority my interests should be protected!
By releasing a non-indigenous predator into the wild YOU are dictating nature.
By releasing a non-indigenous predator into the wild YOU are dictating nature.
You don't have to put up with it. You can flick the **** over the wall if you're so concerned.
I'm not releasing it. Its free to do what it wants. I'm just providing it with some comforts if it chooses to use them at any time.
21 June 2004, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by juan
If it was law like with a dog then fair enough it would be the cat owners responsibility.
If someone wants to alter the law then they need to get campaigning.
21 June 2004, 11:10 AM
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Which is what the original question was all about - should the law be changed to make cat owners take responsibility in the same manner as dog owners?
21 June 2004, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by ajm
The two things are mutually exclusive. Start a thread on banning cars and I will participate.
So can I take this as acceptance that you are being selfish by releasing your pet?
So can I take this as acceptance that you are being selfish by releasing your pet?
my cats are well trained, answer to their names, only crap in my garden, don't kill birds, mice, frogs and whatever else they're supposed to. and... they even help old grannies and blind people cross the roads
seriously though... i too have to clean cat crap out of my garden and i know for a fact that its not just my cats that do it. but, i deal with it, as much as it does annoy me.
i would also state that as a law abiding citizen i am happy to comply with any laws or controls the govenment sees fit to introduce regarding this issue. so bring it on.. i have no problem with it!
21 June 2004, 11:18 AM
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You lot are being pathetic on this
Do you moan about all the other animals that roam into your gardens and take a dump? Believe me fox and bird mess for example will have as many if not more diseases in their cr@p than cats mess. Do you go round demanding someone else picks up any fox droppings or go round washing bird cr@p off your lawns?
Grow up ffs. Cats are not a dog, they can not generally be treated the same as a dog like taken for a walk. If you want to try putting a cat on a lead then be my guest, I tried it once with my old cat when it was a kitten to take it round the garden and it went ******* mental Cats do a very good job as far as I am concerned, they kill mice and rats which carry disease and cause destruction where ever they go. Not too keen seeign them kill their prey or have it deposited on the door step but its what a cat does and what you accept as its owner.
A cat has a territory and needs to be let outdoors for excersise as much as anything but also tyo hunt. My sister keeps indoor cats and in my opinion its very wrong to keep them locked up.
Dogs have been domesticated not to hunt anymore, cats have not been domesticated to that degree, they are still very much wild animals in that respect and will catch their own food to survive. They have only been domesticated to the point where they will tolerate human contact and occasionally enjoy/want that contact when it suits them, not when it suits the owner.
For those saying about locking cats up, walking cats on a lead etc you have no idea wtf you are talking about
Do you moan about all the other animals that roam into your gardens and take a dump? Believe me fox and bird mess for example will have as many if not more diseases in their cr@p than cats mess. Do you go round demanding someone else picks up any fox droppings or go round washing bird cr@p off your lawns?
Grow up ffs. Cats are not a dog, they can not generally be treated the same as a dog like taken for a walk. If you want to try putting a cat on a lead then be my guest, I tried it once with my old cat when it was a kitten to take it round the garden and it went ******* mental
Cats do a very good job as far as I am concerned, they kill mice and rats which carry disease and cause destruction where ever they go. Not too keen seeign them kill their prey or have it deposited on the door step but its what a cat does and what you accept as its owner.A cat has a territory and needs to be let outdoors for excersise as much as anything but also tyo hunt. My sister keeps indoor cats and in my opinion its very wrong to keep them locked up.
Dogs have been domesticated not to hunt anymore, cats have not been domesticated to that degree, they are still very much wild animals in that respect and will catch their own food to survive. They have only been domesticated to the point where they will tolerate human contact and occasionally enjoy/want that contact when it suits them, not when it suits the owner.
For those saying about locking cats up, walking cats on a lead etc you have no idea wtf you are talking about
21 June 2004, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Muffleman
My dog craps on our lawn, yet I NEVER find a cat crap on the lawn.
If I look hard enough, I could probably dig a few out of the flower beds, but not exactly the inavoidable monstrosities some are claiming them to be !
Both my neighbours have cats, yet I still don't have a problem.
So if all these cats are not crapping in their own territory or where there is another cat, where do you suppose they are going?? That's right, where there aren't cats, thereby pissing off the people who don't have cats.
Get a grip ! It's a cat FFS,
I bet all these cat people would be up in arms if I put rat poision down in MY garden and their cat ate it an died, or if my Dog attacked and killed your cat in MY garden. And yet you won't take the responsibility to stop YOUR cat from getting in to such a sitution.
21 June 2004, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by dsmith
Yes you deal with it because your choose to have cats . Why knowingly inflict it on your neighbors aswell.....
i would like to add that i haven't always owned cats. before i had them i was still scooping up their (and possibly dog) excrement from my garden - dealt with as stated before hand! so what's your point?
21 June 2004, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by **************
Do you moan about all the other animals that roam into your gardens and take a dump? Believe me fox and bird mess for example will have as many if not more diseases in their cr@p than cats mess. Do you go round demanding someone else picks up any fox droppings or go round washing bird cr@p off your lawns?
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21 June 2004, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by OllyK
It's YOUR cat, it isn't my cat.
These are the legal facts:
It is legally allowed to crap in your garden.
You are not legally allowed to poison it (intentionally anyway).
As it stands if you want to stop a cat crapping in your garden then the only thing you can legally do is make your garden inpenetrable.
I'm sure you could if it was THAT big an issue.
Maybe its a ferral or stray cat thats dumping in your garden. In which case thats ok as it doesn't have an 'owner'
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21 June 2004, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
But in answer to the question; no, bird and or/fox mess doesn't cause any significant problem to me at least.
21 June 2004, 11:33 AM
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Telboy accept it as part of society, they are a legal pet in this country, the Government or any previous Governement have had no reason to impose any laws on the keeping of cats because it is such a small minority of people who have such an over exaggerated issue with them. In the scheme of things they contribute very little to fouling in public areas and killing wildlife.
Foxes, badgers, rats, mice, crows/magpies etc etc are all common wildlife found through out urban areas in England. They all mess in gardens, public playing fields, footpaths etc, foxes, crows and magpies kill other wildlife, deal with it. A neighbours pet cat is not a threat to the indigenous wildlife of this country ffs. For every bird or mouse or rat a cat kills foxes will kill many more.
Having a go at cat owners is just something for those with nothing better to moan about to have a go at someone about something. I bet those who moan about cat **** couldn't even tell the difference between fox and cat ****. Its highly likely the unburried mess you find it actually fox mess as the majority of cats bury their waste
Foxes, badgers, rats, mice, crows/magpies etc etc are all common wildlife found through out urban areas in England. They all mess in gardens, public playing fields, footpaths etc, foxes, crows and magpies kill other wildlife, deal with it. A neighbours pet cat is not a threat to the indigenous wildlife of this country ffs. For every bird or mouse or rat a cat kills foxes will kill many more.
Having a go at cat owners is just something for those with nothing better to moan about to have a go at someone about something. I bet those who moan about cat **** couldn't even tell the difference between fox and cat ****. Its highly likely the unburried mess you find it actually fox mess as the majority of cats bury their waste
21 June 2004, 11:33 AM
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Ok not really a cat fan but I wouldn't hurt them.
Quick tip for keeping the cat from sh*tting in your garden ( a humane one ) in your flower beds etc place a thin layer or stones/chips (like the ones used in your driveway etc) don't know how it works exactly but it seems to stop them.
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Quick tip for keeping the cat from sh*tting in your garden ( a humane one ) in your flower beds etc place a thin layer or stones/chips (like the ones used in your driveway etc) don't know how it works exactly but it seems to stop them.
John.