OllyK

What??? You now have to report running over a cat?????? You have to be kidding me!!

juan

I think **THE** main point of control of dogs vs cats is being missed here.

The reason dogs need to be kept under control is nothing to do with where they, or cats, **** really, though I do think owners who don't pick it up should be pelted with it

THIS IS THE KEY ISSUE.....
How many people have heard of cats going mental and killing or maiming children / adults?

None I'd wager

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

That is the problem. Everyone is buying cats because they are seen as "easy" pets to manage, are low maintenece and thus think they don't need as much care as dogs or other pets

The thing is, the people who see it as "easy" are the ones who are irresponsible and chuck it outside all night and day. A dog out in the wild will pick up it's basic insincts, exactly like a cat left outside from an early age. Train them and raise them as house cats and they act like house cats. Kick them out all night or day, or fit a cat flap whilst you happilly go along and do the 9 to 5 job enjoying the safe comfort that you have a low maintenance pet. In complete ignorance and denial that the cat is doing any harm and causing other people problems.

I notice cars are a good form population control I almost ran over 3 cats in the same number of weeks (unintentional before anyone starts) And also noticed that there are more dead cats on the side of the road than foxes and badgers. Which to, me seems to show them being more of an epidemic and in larger numbers than foxes and badgers!

I don't really care for whtever law change ocurrs, just that cat owners have the same legal obligation as with dogs, and that is to to keep them under control (this is different to holding a owner responsible to damage). Enforcement is another issue, but in a neighbour dispute over the old lady with 15 fornicating cats - it would be an advantage. However, no law will stop my alloys from stinking of cat urine in the morning - yuk

andypugh2000

Un-ruly undisciplined little oik kids cause more upset and misery than a cat taking a **** on your garden but we dont see polls about having them locked up now do we or parents taking them to the shops on a lead, FFS its only a cat. What gives us the right to rule everything on this planet inc nature itself.

Jye

Why shouldnt you have to report it. FFS it is someones pet, no matter what you think about em. Whats the diff between a cat and a dog in this respect?

juan

Kids kept under control and on leads or else owners fined etc.
What a great idea

Redkop

Hmmm 2 different opinions on this from 2 different Police Officers. One says you do, the other says you don't.

TelBoy

Good post Ali.

ALi-B

iTrader: (1)

we do rant about it......refer to CHAVs

TelBoy

So we should just accept all the faeces in our gardens where our kids play??

Highlighting bad parenting isn't exactly a satisfactory retort to solving the cat menace issue. "Only a cat" to you is a kid picking up somebody else's cat turd in curiosity to me. Do you care? No, i doubt it. So who's better in this analogy??

OllyK

If it is roaming about "wild" I would argue that it isn't a pet, it is a loose animal that somebody chooses to feed now and again and deserves no more recognition than running over a rabbit (except I'd feel sad if I ran over a rabbit). Now if the owners were oblidged to be responsible for their cats and keep them safe indoors, or on a lead, then you may have an argument, as the odd few that then got run over ought to only be there as they have escaped, in which case we can then prosecute the owner for not taking care of their animal.

Jye

What a terrible view point

OllyK

Why??
Becuase you would actually have to care for your pet?
Because You'd have to make an effort to get off your backside and excersise it??
Because you would have to take some kind of responsibility for it rather than putting half a can of cat food down for it once a day??

juan

Anyone ever seen these headlines?


Cat attacks and maims child!
Child dies from fatal cat attack....
If only it was muzzled and on a lead

etc.?

Get a grip on reality folks
so the odd garden has a bit of buried cat **** in it.
Most gardens also have poisonous plants in them too

OllyK

We are not suggesting that cats should be controlled on the grounds that they are a threat to humans.

The issue here is they kill our indiginous wildlife, they crap indescriminately and spread disease as a result with significant health risks to humans, and that the owners don't take any responsibility for this and neither do they seem to care about it.

TelBoy

Which are there (or not) by choice.

As a cat owner, i doubt you've ever had the experience of your kids, if you have any, "playing" with your cat's mess, or having to put up with the smell on a hot summer day, or having to scrape it off the bottom of shoes....

juan

Your first point was that htey should not be allowed to roam free same as dogs. I was pointing out the real reason dogs are not allowed to roam free and its not becasue they poo in public places

OllyK

Tell me about it - I have a dog and it doesn't have any dog crap in it, funny
that huh? Not really, because I clean up after my pet.

And?? If cats were vegetarian and started eating the damn plants I'd be buying plenty of them.

Or are we talking danger / risk here to humans here?? I don't have kids and I know which plants are poisonous to dogs and humans in my garden (none of them). Never had a problem there, had plenty of problems with weeding the garden and finding cat **** though.

juan

I've owned cats all my life, and now a dog too.

I can honestly say I have NEVER had cat **** on the bottom of my shoe, as opposed to dog **** which seems magnetically attracted to shoes.
She does **** in my garden (along with others ) but chooses to go right in the corenr behind a tree and bury it. When the dog craps he's just right there in the middle of the lawn.
1-0 to the cat

I can also honestly say that cat **** hardly smells, particularly when compared to dog **** which makes me physically wretch its so bad (though being responsible I pick it up)
2-0 to the cat

ajm

They can't even admit there is a problem either. Basically, if you own a cat and you release it into the wild knowing that it has a negative effect upon other people and other animals, yet you release it anyway, you are selfish by definition.

I can admit that my car causes a negative effect on people and the environment and that my use of it is mainly selfish. There.

Now you....

Jye

lol @ ajm, well reasoned m8

MooseRacer

If you care that much, pick it up................

OllyK

Yes there are very good reasons dogs should not roam free, as there are for why cats should not roam free. Some of the reasons are the same, others are different. The fact that the main reason dogs aren't allowed to roam free is different to the main reason(s) for cats is not a valid argument.

ajm

The first step to solving a problem is admitting there is a problem in the first place. There are several people in this thread (all cat owners) who are still in denial!

juan

What problem?

juan

well reasoned mate

I'd rather have the odd cat turd in my garden than the deluge of cans, newspapers, *** packets and other litter that selfish people choose to litter my garden and the surrounding area with.

Now, seeing as we're getting on to selfish people and health topis. Who in the high and mighty brigade here smokes?

TelBoy

Pardon? Is this point scoring now? In *my* garden, in *my* experience, cats poo where the kids play, unless i take a lot of precautuionary measures, so treading in it is a real possibility.

In *my* garden, in *my* experience, it smells on a hot day. Whether it is more of less smelly than dog poo is immaterial.

WTF is the "2-0" nonsense?

OllyK

I tell you what why don't I come round and clean up after your kids as well, bath them, change their nappies and so on as I am obviously responsible for anything you have and can't be arsed to deal with yourself

Why should I have to clean up other people's cat crap from my garden?? It isn't my cat, I am not responsible for it, you are.

juan

If it smells maybe its really a nipper thats curled off a sneaky one somewhere?

TelBoy

I'm reading that as "Sorry mate, that's what cats do. Live with it."