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Should cat owners be legally responsible for thier pets actions?
21 June 2004, 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by MooseRacer
Better entertainment than dealing with fecked firmware on FastT's 
Jye, Juan etc. You have argued that cat's need to roam wild and that the health and wildlife aspects are insignificant, however you still havn't explained why you are unwilling to accept responsibility for your pet's actions.
21 June 2004, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by **************
Don't be so childish, if you can't understand what I am saying don't bother replying 
To explain as you were incapable of understanding, if the cat doesn't do what its tiold when trianing then it doesn't get its food. Cat thinks big ******* deal i'll just go in the garden and catch some. Simple really!
To explain as you were incapable of understanding, if the cat doesn't do what its tiold when trianing then it doesn't get its food. Cat thinks big ******* deal i'll just go in the garden and catch some. Simple really!
What a load of boll0x He would have been scared for a start, unable to feed himself secondly and thirdly probably have been run over within an hour. Dogs need people to look after them, cats don't. When are you going to understand that difference?
He would have been scared for a start, unable to feed himself secondly and thirdly probably have been run over within an hour. Dogs need people to look after them, cats don't. When are you going to understand that difference?
Many cities in Africa and Asia have a high stray dog populations because dogs are scavengours, they can quite happily fend for themseleves. Many can hunt quite happiliy as well, chase down and eat rabbits and so on.
Yes cats are feline and dogs are canine, but they are both descended from wild animals. The only big difference is that in general cat owners won't take responsibility for their cat and take the time or effort to train it and control it.
21 June 2004, 02:48 PM
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Why not buy a bird feeder and claim the local birds as your pets and help them rather than supporting something that kills them
21 June 2004, 02:52 PM
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Basically because I don't think its a problem.
I know that she buries her number twos and does it as far away from prying eyes as possible, certainly not on lawns. I know that most of the time she craps in the corner of my garden behind a fir tree.
She causes no-one inconvenience and brings pleasure to several people.
She very much enjoys her life.
If some Victor Meldrew wants to spend a day moaning about it I don't mind humoring them for a while, though I really should do some work now.
With the following re: training though we really are going round in circles now though
You're not listening OllyK - We who don't train them don't want to train them as we feel its not natural.
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I know that she buries her number twos and does it as far away from prying eyes as possible, certainly not on lawns. I know that most of the time she craps in the corner of my garden behind a fir tree.
She causes no-one inconvenience and brings pleasure to several people.
She very much enjoys her life.
If some Victor Meldrew wants to spend a day moaning about it I don't mind humoring them for a while, though I really should do some work now.
With the following re: training though we really are going round in circles now though
The fact the you can't be bothered to put the effort in doesn't mean it can't be done.
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21 June 2004, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Jye
You can do both btw, just make sure any feeder is bird friendly and that cats cannot get near it. BTW the cats (were feral) where I work will let blackbirds eat the cat food pellets from their bowl outside. In fact the blackbirds will even run in while the cats are eating. So much for killing all the birds, they share their food wae em, lol
21 June 2004, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by juan
Basically because I don't think its a problem.
I know that she buries her number twos and does it as far away from prying eyes as possible, certainly not on lawns. I know that most of the time she craps in the corner of my garden behind a fir tree.
She causes no-one inconvenience and brings pleasure to several people.
She very much enjoys her life.
If some Victor Meldrew wants to spend a day moaning about it I don't mind humoring them for a while, though I really should do some work now.
I know that she buries her number twos and does it as far away from prying eyes as possible, certainly not on lawns. I know that most of the time she craps in the corner of my garden behind a fir tree.
She causes no-one inconvenience and brings pleasure to several people.
She very much enjoys her life.
If some Victor Meldrew wants to spend a day moaning about it I don't mind humoring them for a while, though I really should do some work now.
21 June 2004, 02:55 PM
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Cats are alouf (I think thats the spelling). They are independant and want to do their own thing.
Dogs are thick and can't handle being out on their own for extended periods.
Cats need to do their own thing. If you ban cats being out on their own.....you ban cats full stop.
I will agree that male cats should be neutered but dogs are by far worse. They are **** machines and they stink.
Dogs are thick and can't handle being out on their own for extended periods.
Cats need to do their own thing. If you ban cats being out on their own.....you ban cats full stop.
I will agree that male cats should be neutered but dogs are by far worse. They are **** machines and they stink.
21 June 2004, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by juan
...She causes no-one inconvenience ...
1) Cats tend to be active at night when people are less likely to catch them and certainly are less likely to be able to identify them.
2) We have already discussed the problems with identifying cats and so being able to complain to the owner is very difficult.
How about a comprimise. Get a "cat coat" made up saying:
"I belong to X, if I poo in your garden, eat your fish or otherwise cause you personal loss or inconvenience, please Call 01xxxxxxxx to compalin"
Then we can see how many people are upset. Any takers?
21 June 2004, 02:59 PM
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Which is why you can't train your cat The fact the others can shows that it is possible, but if you let it feed itself by other means it will not learn, same applies to a dog. The fact the you can't be bothered to put the effort in doesn't mean it can't be done.
Nick and Oatcake can do their clicker tarianing all they want, let the cat outdoors and then the clicker method becomes irrelevant.
Ahhh - that will be why there are no Dingos in Australia, no wild dogs in Africa and why the streets of many South American and Indian cities are littered with dead dogs then??
Many cities in Africa and Asia have a high stray dog populations because dogs are scavengours, they can quite happily fend for themseleves. Many can hunt quite happiliy as well, chase down and eat rabbits and so on.
Many cities in Africa and Asia have a high stray dog populations because dogs are scavengours, they can quite happily fend for themseleves. Many can hunt quite happiliy as well, chase down and eat rabbits and so on.
right so your puppy would have the same instincts as a Dingo or an African wild dog would it? LOL yeah ok, rather big difference here, your puupy has you as its parent and is a domestic animal/pet, dingos and the like are wild animals that naturally hunt and are taught to do so by their natural parents. Do you ever watch any natural history programmes? If you did you would realise that animals famous for their hunting skills dont just get born with them - the lion for example has to teach its cubs how to hunt. Those that don't learn enough die. They don't just drop out the mother and know how to kill an antelope immediately
And the streets of the UK really are a scavengers paradise like those of India and South America? LOL get a grip! In those countries the people have to scavenge as much as the animals do ffs.
21 June 2004, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ajm
I didn't ask whether you thought there was a problem, I asked you if there was a problem, as the owner, would you accept responsibility for it?
We obviously have different opinions of how the world is made up and should work.
My opinion is that we should share the world with other animals. If you can't share don't play.
21 June 2004, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Senior_AP
Cats are alouf (I think thats the spelling). They are independant and want to do their own thing.
Dogs are thick and can't handle being out on their own for extended periods.
Dogs are thick and can't handle being out on their own for extended periods.
Cats need to do their own thing. If you ban cats being out on their own.....you ban cats full stop.
I will agree that male cats should be neutered but dogs are by far worse. They are **** machines and they stink.
21 June 2004, 03:02 PM
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That's patronising and simplistic, juan.
Nobody is a bigger animal fan than me. We're just discussing the appropriateness, or otherwise, of domestic cats. Aren't we?
Nobody is a bigger animal fan than me. We're just discussing the appropriateness, or otherwise, of domestic cats. Aren't we?
21 June 2004, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by OllyK
Probably because:
1) Cats tend to be active at night when people are less likely to catch them and certainly are less likely to be able to identify them.
2) We have already discussed the problems with identifying cats and so being able to complain to the owner is very difficult.
1) Cats tend to be active at night when people are less likely to catch them and certainly are less likely to be able to identify them.
2) We have already discussed the problems with identifying cats and so being able to complain to the owner is very difficult.
Ooh there you go with ajm's pet hate (along with cats that is): making presumptions.
21 June 2004, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by juan
I don't think any of the topics mentioned so far are problematic. Its just the mad ravings of a couple of cat haters.
We obviously have different opinions of how the world is made up and should work.
My opinion is that we should share the world with other animals. If you can't share don't play.
We obviously have different opinions of how the world is made up and should work.
My opinion is that we should share the world with other animals. If you can't share don't play.
21 June 2004, 03:04 PM
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Telboy,
Funnily enough the house next door is up for sale m8, just popped round and had a chat with the neighbour and he says he's selling because he misses having to clear up dead birds, cleaning mucky paw prints off his car and the fresh aroma of cat sh*t in his flower beds and on his lawn. He also said he wouldn't have to move if I was more of a responsible cat owner! lol
oatcake
Funnily enough the house next door is up for sale m8, just popped round and had a chat with the neighbour and he says he's selling because he misses having to clear up dead birds, cleaning mucky paw prints off his car and the fresh aroma of cat sh*t in his flower beds and on his lawn. He also said he wouldn't have to move if I was more of a responsible cat owner! lol
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21 June 2004, 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Senior_AP
It's whats called "life" everybody. We live in an imperfect world.
Get used to it.
Get used to it.
21 June 2004, 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ajm
I can't see what reason you would have for evading the question other than the fact you have no excuse for not accepting responsibility for the actions of your pet. After all, if there really was no problem then accepting responsibility would have no repercussions on yourself.
There is nothing to accept responsibility for in my eyes. I have already said that. Why can't you accept my point of view?
21 June 2004, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by juan
go on then, which bit?
21 June 2004, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ajm
Some people are sculptors and some people are clay and I'm afraid your attitude makes you clay!
I think the term you're after is 'realist'.
If you live amongst other people (like most of us do) then you will have annoyances. Cat poo, bonfires (which are out of order), loud cars (I'm sure you lot can relate to that one), barking dogs (known as noise pollution which is far more annoying than a little deposit from a cats ****).
I see the argument but nothing will change, again its life. Imperfect.
21 June 2004, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by juan
There is nothing to accept responsibility for in my eyes. I have already said that. Why can't you accept my point of view?
The view you have presented merely states that you believe there are no actions to answer, not whether you would answer them.
21 June 2004, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by OllyK
Which the owner is oblidged to pick up or face a £250 fine. If you see somebody failing to "scoop" report them. But this is the issue, we have no recourse when a cat craps on our property. OK, you may miss the dog owner etc, but at least there is redress there if you spot them.
There are no fines for dogs crapping on private property.
21 June 2004, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Senior_AP
I think the term you're after is 'realist'.
If you live amongst other people (like most of us do) then you will have annoyances. Cat poo, bonfires (which are out of order), loud cars (I'm sure you lot can relate to that one), barking dogs (known as noise pollution which is far more annoying than a little deposit from a cats ****).
I see the argument but nothing will change, again its life. Imperfect.
If you live amongst other people (like most of us do) then you will have annoyances. Cat poo, bonfires (which are out of order), loud cars (I'm sure you lot can relate to that one), barking dogs (known as noise pollution which is far more annoying than a little deposit from a cats ****).
I see the argument but nothing will change, again its life. Imperfect.
Senior AP - amusingly, there are laws covering *every* example you cited. Except cat poo. I *do* like a nice bit of irony on a Monday...
21 June 2004, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by **************
And the streets of the UK really are a scavengers paradise like those of India and South America? LOL get a grip! In those countries the people have to scavenge as much as the animals do ffs.
21 June 2004, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
The bit about "mad ravings", the bit about cat "haters", the bit about can't share, don't play. Most of it.
I'm going to stick with ravings though. This is nothing compared to most other 'problems' in the world today.
I'm also going to stick with the fact that we should share the planet with other animals (and yes that includes your garden).
Call it simplistic if you like.
21 June 2004, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
Senior AP - amusingly, there are laws covering *every* example you cited. Except cat poo. I *do* like a nice bit of irony on a Monday...
A law does exist....but it still happens doesn't it. You see???
21 June 2004, 03:14 PM
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I think that "people" need to start taking responsibilty for their "own" actions before we start nit-picking on nothingness like a bit of cat ****.
All the unsociable, gobby imbeciles that are aware of what they are doing unlike cats who operate on instinct.
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All the unsociable, gobby imbeciles that are aware of what they are doing unlike cats who operate on instinct.
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