Complaint about my driving - Should I be worried?
19 June 2004, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by talizman
pugoetry,
I can see how you might think this, but you have to look at it from the other side.
Scenario.
Your wife/girlfriend/whatever comes home from work extremely shaken up cos she has just been the victim of a road rage incident.
Although not physically threatened, she is enormously upset, and badly shaken after a very nasty encounter with an idiot on the road.
She was alone in the car and has no other witnesses.
You report it to the police, and they tell you that due to the lack of corroboration, no charges can be preferred, however, if you wish, they can interview the guy, and warn him sternly in the hope that he calms his behavious down.
Do you
a) accept the offer and let them warn him as you don't want him thinking he has got away scot free. or
b) not bother cos its trivial and you don't want the police wasting their time on "pointless things"?
I can see how you might think this, but you have to look at it from the other side.
Scenario.
Your wife/girlfriend/whatever comes home from work extremely shaken up cos she has just been the victim of a road rage incident.
Although not physically threatened, she is enormously upset, and badly shaken after a very nasty encounter with an idiot on the road.
She was alone in the car and has no other witnesses.
You report it to the police, and they tell you that due to the lack of corroboration, no charges can be preferred, however, if you wish, they can interview the guy, and warn him sternly in the hope that he calms his behavious down.
Do you
a) accept the offer and let them warn him as you don't want him thinking he has got away scot free. or
b) not bother cos its trivial and you don't want the police wasting their time on "pointless things"?
19 June 2004, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ajm
LOL! Its always disappointing to see grown men who cannot control their emotions.
Come on gents, dry your eyes and play nicely!
Come on gents, dry your eyes and play nicely!
19 June 2004, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by RR
I agree 100% but your going to the extreme. The post stated there was some slowing down of traffic and some Hand gestures being made with no crossed words verbally, no damaged vehicles, no people injured or harmed. Can you seriosly justify police time to such an altercation. If you can then you will be attending to this kind a thing along with all other police staff for a full shift. Common sense and priorty's spring to mind. The above situation you mentioned requires a visit without doubt. But if the original post on this thread is 100% correct then i would say a visit is not.
We do not know the nature of the complaint made against the thread starter.
By his own admission, he has no idea what the nature of the complaint is and is merely submising as what it could be.
It could easily be a complaint of full blown road rage (maliciously made)
A police visit can be justified no matter how trivial the complaint, its called public service.
Lets take an example on the opposite end of the scale then........
Mrs Curtain Twitcher, who is in her 80's, phones in to complain that her neighbours TV is being played too loud and she cannot sleep. Even though it is only 8pm, its her bed time and she wants the police to do something.
Perhaps you would tell her to get a grip and hang the phone up on her, or do you go round to the neighbours, see if it is too loud, and deal with the matter accordingly?
No matter how trivial, the police MUST act, like it or not.
As for saying that a visit is not merited in the circumstances of the original thread..... you cannot say that, quite simply because we do not know what has been complained about.
19 June 2004, 04:51 PM
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talizman, do you think I'm out of order for passing people and then slowing down if they have been poodling along with a crap load of cars behind them for ages?
If they were the decent old people or victims of accidents you refer to then wouldn't they have the DECENCY to pull over and let traffic to pass?
I say *** em, have a bit of your own medicine regardless of your situation, you drive like a ****, then I'll drive like a ****.
oh and you sound like the type of stuck up pr1ck that is becoming all too common here.
If they were the decent old people or victims of accidents you refer to then wouldn't they have the DECENCY to pull over and let traffic to pass?
I say *** em, have a bit of your own medicine regardless of your situation, you drive like a ****, then I'll drive like a ****.
oh and you sound like the type of stuck up pr1ck that is becoming all too common here.
19 June 2004, 04:59 PM
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talizman, do you think I'm out of order for passing people and then slowing down
If they were the decent old people or victims of accidents you refer to then wouldn't they have the DECENCY to pull over and let traffic to pass?
Elderly - How many old drivers have you seen that have a good awareness of what car they are in, let alone what hold-ups their speed may be causing?
Old folk tend not to use their mirrors (blinding generalisation!) therefore they have no idea whats behind them.
They concentrate so much on the road ahead, their awareness is not the best, to say the least.
I say *** em, have a bit of your own medicine regardless of your situation, you drive like a ****, then I'll drive like a ****.
oh and you sound like the type of stuck up pr1ck that is becoming all too common here
I am certainly not stuck up, but neither am I immature and vindictive.
As long as you feel macho and big when you are driving like a self confessed c*nt in front of the pensioners.
Big man.
19 June 2004, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by King RA
talizman, do you think I'm out of order for passing people and then slowing down if they have been poodling along with a crap load of cars behind them for ages?
I say *** em, have a bit of your own medicine regardless of your situation, you drive like a ****, then I'll drive like a ****.
oh and you sound like the type of stuck up pr1ck that is becoming all too common here.
19 June 2004, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by King RA
I feel big and macho driving like a **** fullstop. I don't need to do it infront of pensioners to feel good.
19 June 2004, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by talizman
How is it extreme?
We do not know the nature of the complaint made against the thread starter.
By his own admission, he has no idea what the nature of the complaint is and is merely submising as what it could be.
It could easily be a complaint of full blown road rage (maliciously made)
A police visit can be justified no matter how trivial the complaint, its called public service.
Lets take an example on the opposite end of the scale then........
Mrs Curtain Twitcher, who is in her 80's, phones in to complain that her neighbours TV is being played too loud and she cannot sleep. Even though it is only 8pm, its her bed time and she wants the police to do something.
Perhaps you would tell her to get a grip and hang the phone up on her, or do you go round to the neighbours, see if it is too loud, and deal with the matter accordingly?
No matter how trivial, the police MUST act, like it or not.
As for saying that a visit is not merited in the circumstances of the original thread..... you cannot say that, quite simply because we do not know what has been complained about.
We do not know the nature of the complaint made against the thread starter.
By his own admission, he has no idea what the nature of the complaint is and is merely submising as what it could be.
It could easily be a complaint of full blown road rage (maliciously made)
A police visit can be justified no matter how trivial the complaint, its called public service.
Lets take an example on the opposite end of the scale then........
Mrs Curtain Twitcher, who is in her 80's, phones in to complain that her neighbours TV is being played too loud and she cannot sleep. Even though it is only 8pm, its her bed time and she wants the police to do something.
Perhaps you would tell her to get a grip and hang the phone up on her, or do you go round to the neighbours, see if it is too loud, and deal with the matter accordingly?
No matter how trivial, the police MUST act, like it or not.
As for saying that a visit is not merited in the circumstances of the original thread..... you cannot say that, quite simply because we do not know what has been complained about.
19 June 2004, 05:15 PM
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Thankyou, now be a nice chap and pull over will you, people trying to pass don't you know.
I was only kidding about you being a pr1ck, you did refer to me as a w4nker after all. I'm sure your a lovely bloke.
I was only kidding about you being a pr1ck, you did refer to me as a w4nker after all. I'm sure your a lovely bloke.
19 June 2004, 05:24 PM
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No offence taken.
Regards the ****** comment.....
My point was simply that irresponsible driving causes folk to think that we (SUbaru drivers) are *******. I never actually referred to you as one.
Regards the ****** comment.....
My point was simply that irresponsible driving causes folk to think that we (SUbaru drivers) are *******. I never actually referred to you as one.
19 June 2004, 05:35 PM
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do you think I'm out of order for passing people and then slowing down
If they were the decent old people or victims of accidents you refer to then wouldn't they have the DECENCY to pull over and let traffic to pass?
Just have a little patience. The world does not revolve around you though you obviously think so.
As said earlier there is no law saying you have to do a minimum of 60 in a 60 area.
I don't think you'll find any coppers warning people for doing 45 in a 60
Doing 25 or whatever like you seem to enjoy doing probably would get their attention so whos really being out of order?
As for insults, I'm sure most people have already come up with their own in this case.
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19 June 2004, 06:20 PM
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Talizman. You can argue the toss all night mate! you won't get the last word (right as it may be) Some people are alway's going to drive/act like tossers! That's why we have to do the jobs we do?
p.s. the my/00 is the one I'm p/exing.
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p.s. the my/00 is the one I'm p/exing.
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19 June 2004, 07:38 PM
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We get people phoning up and complaining about other people's driving all the time. Usually its just a heat of the moment decision by the complainant.
Our policy, is that we don't go round to peoples houses to have a "word".
We ask the original complainant if they are prepared to attend court and do they have any witnesses. Most don't and that's the end of the story.
The problem with going round to someone's house to have a word, is that you have no official complaint and there will always be two sides to the story. That leaves the copper in an awkward position, because you can't bollock them if you don't know what your bollocking them for.
Also, without an official complaint, if you haven't seen the car on the road, you have no power to inspect the documents.
Our policy, is that we don't go round to peoples houses to have a "word".
We ask the original complainant if they are prepared to attend court and do they have any witnesses. Most don't and that's the end of the story.
The problem with going round to someone's house to have a word, is that you have no official complaint and there will always be two sides to the story. That leaves the copper in an awkward position, because you can't bollock them if you don't know what your bollocking them for.
Also, without an official complaint, if you haven't seen the car on the road, you have no power to inspect the documents.
20 June 2004, 03:55 PM
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This has been an interesting thread in many ways but I found the contributions by a couple of people to be very disappointing.
Of course elderly people drive more slowly as a rule, they are conscious of their limitations due to their age and are mainly driving responsibly. They have an absolute right to drive on the public roads and if they want to drive at less than the speed limit they are also within their rights as long as they are not deliberately causing an obstruction. Just don't even think about the old excuse that they should not be on the road! The roads are there to get from one place to another and not for use as a race track.
It therefore devolves on the rest of us to demonstrate a bit of patience and even generosity to elderly slower drivers. Remember that age will overtake us all eventually and when that happens to you, if you live that long, you might just realise what I am talking about.
The posts by J4mou and King RA are typical of a couple of extremely selfish people with a vicious streak in them who are prepared to be totally spiteful to others. Not much to write home about I reckon and the best thing for us all would be if they get caught by Talizman's mates for seriously bad driving.
Trouble is, they get the other Scooby drivers a bad name!
Les
Of course elderly people drive more slowly as a rule, they are conscious of their limitations due to their age and are mainly driving responsibly. They have an absolute right to drive on the public roads and if they want to drive at less than the speed limit they are also within their rights as long as they are not deliberately causing an obstruction. Just don't even think about the old excuse that they should not be on the road! The roads are there to get from one place to another and not for use as a race track.
It therefore devolves on the rest of us to demonstrate a bit of patience and even generosity to elderly slower drivers. Remember that age will overtake us all eventually and when that happens to you, if you live that long, you might just realise what I am talking about.
The posts by J4mou and King RA are typical of a couple of extremely selfish people with a vicious streak in them who are prepared to be totally spiteful to others. Not much to write home about I reckon and the best thing for us all would be if they get caught by Talizman's mates for seriously bad driving.
Trouble is, they get the other Scooby drivers a bad name!
Les
21 June 2004, 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
This has been an interesting thread in many ways but I found the contributions by a couple of people to be very disappointing.
Of course elderly people drive more slowly as a rule, they are conscious of their limitations due to their age and are mainly driving responsibly. They have an absolute right to drive on the public roads and if they want to drive at less than the speed limit they are also within their rights as long as they are not deliberately causing an obstruction. Just don't even think about the old excuse that they should not be on the road! The roads are there to get from one place to another and not for use as a race track.
It therefore devolves on the rest of us to demonstrate a bit of patience and even generosity to elderly slower drivers. Remember that age will overtake us all eventually and when that happens to you, if you live that long, you might just realise what I am talking about.
The posts by J4mou and King RA are typical of a couple of extremely selfish people with a vicious streak in them who are prepared to be totally spiteful to others. Not much to write home about I reckon and the best thing for us all would be if they get caught by Talizman's mates for seriously bad driving.
Trouble is, they get the other Scooby drivers a bad name!
Les
Of course elderly people drive more slowly as a rule, they are conscious of their limitations due to their age and are mainly driving responsibly. They have an absolute right to drive on the public roads and if they want to drive at less than the speed limit they are also within their rights as long as they are not deliberately causing an obstruction. Just don't even think about the old excuse that they should not be on the road! The roads are there to get from one place to another and not for use as a race track.
It therefore devolves on the rest of us to demonstrate a bit of patience and even generosity to elderly slower drivers. Remember that age will overtake us all eventually and when that happens to you, if you live that long, you might just realise what I am talking about.
The posts by J4mou and King RA are typical of a couple of extremely selfish people with a vicious streak in them who are prepared to be totally spiteful to others. Not much to write home about I reckon and the best thing for us all would be if they get caught by Talizman's mates for seriously bad driving.
Trouble is, they get the other Scooby drivers a bad name!
Les
What really annoys me is people like you that have a ******* opinion on everything!!
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21 June 2004, 01:09 AM
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J4mou
So, you were stuck behind him for 40 minutes @ 15mph in the nationals???
I find that extremely hard to accept that in almost three quarters of an hour you didn't have even one opportunity to overtake a car that you could smoke by barely even twitching your right foot?????
Regardless, by your own admission, he was a "sunday driver", so you can almost excuse his driving, cos they all do it.
Your driving on the other hand sounds completely out of order.
You deliberately drove like a tw@t just to wind folk up and to give yourself some sick satisfaction.
Real sad mate.
So, you were stuck behind him for 40 minutes @ 15mph in the nationals???
I find that extremely hard to accept that in almost three quarters of an hour you didn't have even one opportunity to overtake a car that you could smoke by barely even twitching your right foot?????
Regardless, by your own admission, he was a "sunday driver", so you can almost excuse his driving, cos they all do it.
Your driving on the other hand sounds completely out of order.
You deliberately drove like a tw@t just to wind folk up and to give yourself some sick satisfaction.
Real sad mate.
id love for you to see the roads that im talking about.
Im not a dangerous driver and for me to get passed this guy on this particular day at this particular time would have been extremely dangerous. this guy was driving so slowley it was a joke, im sorry if your an old man and drive like this "which would explain why your on your horse on this" and are offended by the fact that I posted honestly and truthfully, im sure you have never "gesticulated" at anyone whilst driving
im usually very reserved with my replies on here, but it occurs to me, your just trying to be a sheep. and get other sn members approval by posting the obvious replies.
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21 June 2004, 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by j4mou
Im not a dangerous driver and for me to get passed this guy on this particular day at this particular time would have been extremely dangerous.
You aren't dangerous, yet you drive at ridiculously slow speeds in front of old folk for miles in an attempt to show your (lack of) masculinity.
I'd call you pretty ******* dangerous!
Originally Posted by j4mou
im sorry if your an old man and drive like this "which would explain why your on your horse on this" and are offended by the fact that I posted honestly and truthfully, im sure you have never "gesticulated" at anyone whilst driving
Also, rest assured, I most certainly HAVE gesticulated at plenty of drivers. Usually when they are driving like you do. Like a complete *****.
Originally Posted by j4mou
im usually very reserved with my replies on here
Real grown up. You obviously have a way with words that you have to resort to expletives, so I'll come DOWN to your level, and speak your language so you can understand me, you complete to$$er.
your just trying to be a sheep. and get other sn members approval by posting the obvious replies.
If you knew anything about me then you would realise that I am anything but a sheep and I speak my mind on here whether numpties like you like it or not.
Now, why don't you go out and tailgate some poor old pensioner for a few miles, then speed past them and start crawling in front of them in that intimidating fashion you do so well.
******* keyboard heroes.
21 June 2004, 08:11 AM
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Well J4mou,
We all have our own opinions and we all have the right to express them on a public forum, especially when it comes to replying to people with your admitted intolerant attitude and disgraceful behaviour. You dont even read the other posts well enough to realise that the answer to what you say is already in them. You have to accept that other people's opinions may well not agree with yours, especially in a case like this. Waste of time getting into a paddy about it like some spoilt child!
I think the fact that you resort to specious insults displays the fact that you have lost the argument anyway, name calling always weakens what you have to say because it is obvious that you are short of a real reply.
Maybe you already realise this when I look at how you signed your last two posts, do you really consider yourself to be a "to55er" or a "***"?
Les
We all have our own opinions and we all have the right to express them on a public forum, especially when it comes to replying to people with your admitted intolerant attitude and disgraceful behaviour. You dont even read the other posts well enough to realise that the answer to what you say is already in them. You have to accept that other people's opinions may well not agree with yours, especially in a case like this. Waste of time getting into a paddy about it like some spoilt child!
I think the fact that you resort to specious insults displays the fact that you have lost the argument anyway, name calling always weakens what you have to say because it is obvious that you are short of a real reply.
Maybe you already realise this when I look at how you signed your last two posts, do you really consider yourself to be a "to55er" or a "***"?
Les
21 June 2004, 08:30 AM
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There are some retirement flats in my neighbourhood and therefore quite a few elderly drivers too. To be honest some of them drive so slowly and hesitantly that they are a hazard to other road users. It's not only the young and impetuous who get frustrated by these doddering seniors who think it's Sunday every day...
I would suggest that the [European] laws that govern fitness to drive be re-examined in the light of an increasingly ageing population. It is not acceptable to have these dangerous doddering drivers on our roads. It's not only "speed that's dangerous", but sometimes also a lack of it.
Suresh
(still a few decades to go before I'm officially an old git)
I would suggest that the [European] laws that govern fitness to drive be re-examined in the light of an increasingly ageing population. It is not acceptable to have these dangerous doddering drivers on our roads. It's not only "speed that's dangerous", but sometimes also a lack of it.
Suresh
(still a few decades to go before I'm officially an old git)
21 June 2004, 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by SureshI would suggest that the [European
laws that govern fitness to drive be re-examined in the light of an increasingly ageing population.
"It's not fair - I can drive perfectly well, yet some jumped up Euro MPs have decided that it's not safe for me to drive"
ie, how do you think YOU would feel if at 65, someone told you that your reaction time was 10% down on the minimum acceptable level. I'm not saying it's wrong to do that, but I think it's too easy as a young person to glibly state that all the "old gits" should be taken off the road.
Driving a bit slower than 60mph does not necessarily mean that they do not deserve to be on the road.
Is it not the case that the highest proportion of accidents are in the younger generation?
Hmm.....
21 June 2004, 09:35 AM
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To get back to the original topic, I don't think you have anything to worry about. I was accused of hitting a lorry that was carrying out some road repairs with a trailer I was pulling at the time, which was a complete fabrication. I'm not even sure why the complainant tried this on but the policeman who came out said they are obliged to follow up all such reports. Once he had had a look at my car and trailer he said it was quite obvious no incident had taken place. I quite expected the bloke who made the allegation to get charged, or at least warned for wasting police time. Apparantly not - they left it there.
Cheers
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Cheers
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One last thing for j4mou, if you were behind any of the following vehicles which were only doing half the speed limit, would you also overtake them, and then slow down in front of them to make a point?
a) a learner driver
b) a wide load with a police escort
c) an ambulance driving slowly (quite often have to if spinal injuries)
d) a police car
e) a tractor
etc....I'm sure the list can go on. Would you be so intolerant to any of the above? What makes you decide how fast someone should be driving at?
The roads are for the use of everyone. Tolerance of others must be obeyed and accepted at ALL times.
a) a learner driver
b) a wide load with a police escort
c) an ambulance driving slowly (quite often have to if spinal injuries)
d) a police car
e) a tractor
etc....I'm sure the list can go on. Would you be so intolerant to any of the above? What makes you decide how fast someone should be driving at?
The roads are for the use of everyone. Tolerance of others must be obeyed and accepted at ALL times.
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