Wondered how long it would be before ajm - Scoobynet's King of the Cat Haters joined in.

 

Its a fair point, but as I have explained before, acts of wild animals can be classed as "acts of God" - we HAVE to put up with them. However, in the case where animals are owned by someone then the responsibility must transfer to the owner, we don't HAVE to put up with the actions of other people, thats what law is for.

See http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showpost....6&postcount=68 so I don't have to type it all again!

You must have missed the thread on Toxoplasma Gondii, which relies SOLEY on the intestines of cats to complete the lifecycle!

This isn't strictly true, although the law is contradictory and vague on this point and doesn't help the issue either way. Cat owners claim that cats are wild animals to excuse their lack of control over the animal. Unfortunately for them if cats were truly wild then they would be classed as feral and can legally be shot. They have to choose - either to accept responsibility for them as a domestic pet, or shun all responsibility and the animal becomes feral. The law, as always, is a fuzzy mush somewhere in the middle.

Bad analogy. I am putting emphasis on CONTROL, this doesn't necessarily mean keeping it indoors. Dogs are kept under control, they don't run wild. If they DO run wild then they are impounded.

 

Are you sure? I'm not aware of it being illegal to shoot cats in a similar way to it not being illegal to shoot dogs that are sheep worrying, for example.

 

That is an exceptional circumstance under which it may be acceptable to shoot a domestic animal. However, the point I am trying to make is that in law it is not clear whether a cat is a domestic animal or not! If it IS a domestic animal (as it should be) then owners would be legally responsible for their actions, as is the case with dogs. If they are NOT domestic animals then they fit the definition of feral! There should be nothing in between!

In reality we see the following:-

a) It is supposedly illegal to kill a cat because it someone elses property

b) They can roam where they like and the owner takes no responsibility because they are "wild"

These two facts are contradictory.

 

I would do the same as I would if I found someone's dog damaging my property. I would approach the owner (if I can find them) informally first. If that fails then I would gather some evidence and report the matter.

I really find it surprising how people find the concept of legally treating cats the same as any other domestic pets so difficult to understand. If it really is deemed acceptable for people to own something that causes other people material loss then it is the ONLY example where that is the case, and it goes against everything the law stands for.

Acceptable for you maybe, but then you have the benefits that come with owning a cat. The situation is not acceptable to me.

 

ajm,

All this tosh you keep spouting is a complete waste of time. It is apparent to anyone that for whatever reason you just hate cats plain and simple (and I can't see how anyone could have that much dislike for an animal unless IMHO they are in some way psychologically disturbed) - just admit it and leave it that.

tiggers.

 

gtr_man,

Sod off - I'm trying to bait ajm and then you start all this cat eating nonsense

 

Cat corner

ajm, you seem to choose what comments you reply to

Cats are not owned, imo no one owns any animal. You though are owned by cats

Toxiplasmosis is carried by loads of animals anol.

Get over hating cats ajm, your deffo in the minority as cats are the UK's fav pets, i.e. they rule

jye - a Leo and pwoned by two moggies

 

He does have a point.

 

Ok Jye... I'll reply to one of yours....

Indeed.... AFTER they have been infected by oocysts. The parasite needs the intestines of cats to complete the lifecycle. No cats, no toxoplasma gondii oocysts and no parasite. Come on, you know better than to challenge my facts! Read!

Go on then tiggers, since I have humoured Jye, and its Friday, I shall retort ...

Your remarks portray those of a man who, in the face of well thought out and indisputable facts, resorts to transparent diversionary tactics.... and there was me thinking NACRO had gone on holiday!

 

paaa, damn you and your google links ajm but , as toxiplasmosis occurs in wild cats as well, I feel that your feeble one sided argument falls short on the 'targeting' of domestics only, unless that is you suffer from Ailurophobia and want to wipe out some of our most threatened native species to boot

Anyhow, I'm still waiting on a reply to the indigenous bit

me/claps his moggies while cackling at ajm's futile attempts to 'legally' fight cat power

 

in the new world order there will be no cats


sorry about that, but i've already made up my mind and nothing that any of you soppy c***s say will change it.

rabbits will still be allowed, if that's any consolation.

 

btw why have you turned of your pm's ajm, too much hate mail?

I was only gonna offer to send you a piccie of one oh ma cats after some sad, sick, twisted cowardly snide wee ****** tried to kill it by shooting it in the head with an air gun. But I guess that even this wouldnt make any diff to your views on the eradication of a fellow species, a species that inhabits this sick planet of twisted sick **** off humans who do more harm than cats ever will

btw I did eventually find out who did it, but I better not say any more for the threat of losing my present liberty......... anyway, I'll let you guess that I bear grudges like this with extreme prejudice.

From your usually balanced posts, I expect more from you.

 

I'm far from soppy when it comes to harming domestic pets PC, especially mine

I treat em as family, nuff said.....

 

k - i'll take your word for it

in the mean time i gues i'll have to live and let live.

 

cool

 

Right, first let me try and assemble your mutterings into a coherant argument - I am nothing if not generous ...

You are saying that because there are some indigenous Wild Cats, that also help to gestate toxoplasma, domestic cats can have no effect on the spread of the parasite and that because of this I have no reason to object against cat ownership?

Firstly, my argument centres mainly on the material losses such as damage, nuisance etc. that cats cause. The disease aspect, for me at least, is a lower priority issue. Males infected with it tend to become more aggressive, so no change for me then

Secondly, what proportion of cats that come into contact with human beings, be it via direct contact or via faeces, do you think consists of true Wild Cats? Even taking into account feral cross breeds we are talking seriously rare in comparison. The last feral cross I saw alive was down the scope of a .243 in a farm yard and that was 7 years ago! I am treated to a domestic cat turd on a weekly basis.

My PMs are enabled!

This is altogether a more sinister post.... your love of cats drove you to commit a violent (inferred admittedly) crime against someone and yet you lot think I am mad because I have a view on cats that I can back up with sound arguments and facts. Go figure!

 

ajm - get a life mate.

 

aye ajm, get back to feeding yer pond life, your trying too hard now, lol

cats cant fight against ******* with guns, I can though

soz, meant emails btw

 

Yep... you have definately been drinking.....

 

I always drink ffs, I'm in jockland hehe

 

In fact, after reading this bit again dont bother replying to my mutterings, you're sounding too much like our elitist argumentative mutual 'friend' for my liking m8

 

Your partner knows exactly what you like to eat and talk, personally a lot of people on here think you should **** OFF and get a ******* life and find something more creative to do, but no, you are nearly as bad as that other **** WIT gtr man

Why oh why does any cat thread turn into the way it always does, I hate P****s and Travellers, but that does not make me want to go around and kill every ****** that lives in a caravan, and have you seen some of the **** that they leave around!!!


Grow up and get a ******* life

 

In defence of ajm (cat hatred notwithstanding) he has his moments and deffo cheers me up with his usual posts

I'm sure he can be brought around with a few doses of toxi

 

Sorry mate... that did come out a bit like the dreaded "N" word, it was meant to be tonque in cheek.

Wow.

Fred, your foul mouthed outburst was totally unecessary. Speak to me like a human being. If you disagree with my views then put forward your own argument.

 

K ajm, glad of that just thought I'd twist the ol k 'N' ife

 

Jeez what is it with SN that people get so heated over cats?

Yet another cat thread locked!