What fast road pads do Prodrive recommend?
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Podge:
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Anyhow, I'm going to try the Ferrodo pads with MY00 STD front disks. They should be in early next week. [/quote]
Podge - Where did you get them from and for how much? Did you order them as Subaru or Nissan pads?
I tried (unsuccessfully) to get the DS2000s a few months ago including from Ferrodo themselves who told me that these were exclusive to Prodrive
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Anyhow, I'm going to try the Ferrodo pads with MY00 STD front disks. They should be in early next week. [/quote]
Podge - Where did you get them from and for how much? Did you order them as Subaru or Nissan pads?
I tried (unsuccessfully) to get the DS2000s a few months ago including from Ferrodo themselves who told me that these were exclusive to Prodrive
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My local motorsport outlet had to order the DS2000 pads through a Subaru dealer. My understanding is that they could not source them elsewhere.
They also tried Prodrive directly who told them to go through a Subaru dealer.
They also tried Prodrive directly who told them to go through a Subaru dealer.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Dave Coulshaw:
<B>Mike, so let me get this right, Prodrive used to sell performance pads that prematurely wore discs out, but now that you have found some that don't, you feel justified in charging almost a 100quid premium?? No wonder you can afford to buy Tickford if you make close to a 200% mark-up??
Please tell me this isn't true?
If I went for MTR's 1155s at c45quid, would the 95quid saving over the Prodrive ds2000s buy uprated discs aswell? Surely this would even further improve braking etc?[/quote]
Each to their own, but given Brembo Gp N discs can be had for less than £100 and grooved discs for a £10-20 premium over that, your £140 can either pay for a set of Fast Road spec pads, or a set of Competition spec pads AND uprated discs for even greater performance
As I said each to their own 
<B>Mike, so let me get this right, Prodrive used to sell performance pads that prematurely wore discs out, but now that you have found some that don't, you feel justified in charging almost a 100quid premium?? No wonder you can afford to buy Tickford if you make close to a 200% mark-up??
Please tell me this isn't true?
If I went for MTR's 1155s at c45quid, would the 95quid saving over the Prodrive ds2000s buy uprated discs aswell? Surely this would even further improve braking etc?[/quote]
Each to their own, but given Brembo Gp N discs can be had for less than £100 and grooved discs for a £10-20 premium over that, your £140 can either pay for a set of Fast Road spec pads, or a set of Competition spec pads AND uprated discs for even greater performance
As I said each to their own
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Dave
We did sell M1155 for the 94-96MY as well as 97/98MYcars. The front pads retailed for £125.
When we were evaluating pads for 99MY we found that the DS2000 gave better performance and less disc wear but as it was a larger pad the price was a little more. The DS2000 for 97/98MY we managed to keep at the same price as previous but the 99MY was a little more expensive at £140.
When we were selling M1155, several people thought that they could get them through their normal Mintex supplier, only to find that they were the normal compounds. In one car I drove, the second time you used the brakes hard they faded!!!
Inevitably over time someone is likely to get hold of almost everything we sell via the 'back door' at a better price, that's the price of doing all the testing etc and getting someone to make something specially for you.
In this circumstance is everyone now saying that DS2000 are the pads to have because Prodrive have spent may £K on testing all the options and recommend them? Testing costs money and we are not a charity
Mike 200% margin.... NOT!! Wood
We did sell M1155 for the 94-96MY as well as 97/98MYcars. The front pads retailed for £125.
When we were evaluating pads for 99MY we found that the DS2000 gave better performance and less disc wear but as it was a larger pad the price was a little more. The DS2000 for 97/98MY we managed to keep at the same price as previous but the 99MY was a little more expensive at £140.
When we were selling M1155, several people thought that they could get them through their normal Mintex supplier, only to find that they were the normal compounds. In one car I drove, the second time you used the brakes hard they faded!!!
Inevitably over time someone is likely to get hold of almost everything we sell via the 'back door' at a better price, that's the price of doing all the testing etc and getting someone to make something specially for you.
In this circumstance is everyone now saying that DS2000 are the pads to have because Prodrive have spent may £K on testing all the options and recommend them? Testing costs money and we are not a charity
Mike 200% margin.... NOT!! Wood
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by MikeWood:
<B>Dave
We did sell M1155 for the 94-96MY as well as 97/98MYcars. The front pads retailed for £125.
When we were evaluating pads for 99MY we found that the DS2000 gave better performance and less disc wear but as it was a larger pad the price was a little more. The DS2000 for 97/98MY we managed to keep at the same price as previous but the 99MY was a little more expensive at £140.
When we were selling M1155, several people thought that they could get them through their normal Mintex supplier, only to find that they were the normal compounds. In one car I drove, the second time you used the brakes hard they faded!!!
Inevitably over time someone is likely to get hold of almost everything we sell via the 'back door' at a better price, that's the price of doing all the testing etc and getting someone to make something specially for you.
In this circumstance is everyone now saying that DS2000 are the pads to have because Prodrive have spent may £K on testing all the options and recommend them? Testing costs money and we are not a charity
Mike 200% margin.... NOT!! Wood[/quote]
With reason/logic like that...you're not a politician are you??
I thought 1155 WAS the compound? the other compounds available being 1144/1166 etc? If other suppliers can get and sell these and the DS2000s for £45 (albeit by calling them Nissan pads), are you being 'had' on your purchase price?
<B>Dave
We did sell M1155 for the 94-96MY as well as 97/98MYcars. The front pads retailed for £125.
When we were evaluating pads for 99MY we found that the DS2000 gave better performance and less disc wear but as it was a larger pad the price was a little more. The DS2000 for 97/98MY we managed to keep at the same price as previous but the 99MY was a little more expensive at £140.
When we were selling M1155, several people thought that they could get them through their normal Mintex supplier, only to find that they were the normal compounds. In one car I drove, the second time you used the brakes hard they faded!!!
Inevitably over time someone is likely to get hold of almost everything we sell via the 'back door' at a better price, that's the price of doing all the testing etc and getting someone to make something specially for you.
In this circumstance is everyone now saying that DS2000 are the pads to have because Prodrive have spent may £K on testing all the options and recommend them? Testing costs money and we are not a charity
Mike 200% margin.... NOT!! Wood[/quote]
With reason/logic like that...you're not a politician are you??
I thought 1155 WAS the compound? the other compounds available being 1144/1166 etc? If other suppliers can get and sell these and the DS2000s for £45 (albeit by calling them Nissan pads), are you being 'had' on your purchase price?
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1155 etc is the compound number but both Ferodo and Mintex do a range of 'normal' pads that you buy from the local Motor Factor. Until quite recently this is what you would have got at Halfords until they did a deal with Ripspeed.
Mike
1155 etc is the compound number but both Ferodo and Mintex do a range of 'normal' pads that you buy from the local Motor Factor. Until quite recently this is what you would have got at Halfords until they did a deal with Ripspeed.
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What I find particually strange is the difference in price of DS2000's for Imprezas and other cars.
My mate has just priced up some front and rear DS2000's for his VW Corrado VR6.The physical size of the pads(and discs) are very similar to my MY 98 and the car is only slightly slower.The front pads are £55 and the rears £25 compared to £125 and £75 for my car.If you have a look through Demon Tweeks catalogue you will find that DS2000's are not that expensive at about £50 for most cars with similar power to Imprezas
So why are the pads so much more expensive for my car?.
I know what you are going to say,it's because of the tooling cost etc and low sale volumes of the Impreza pads etc.
If that is so them why was I able to buy standard grade Ferrodo pads for the rear of my car for £25 from Halfords.Surely the tooling costs and low sale volumes etc should have made these pads £75 also.It can't be the price of the DS2000 material itself or they would be more expensive for my mates VW and other cars.
I personally think it is more down to the price of the genuine standard pads.For example for my mates VW the genuine pads are £45 hence the DS2000's are slightly more expensive at £55.Ferrodo know that if they price them at £125 nobody will buy them.
On the other hand standard subaru pads are over £90 so Ferrodo know they can price them higher and then there is Prodrive's cut to consider.
Between you and me I think Ferrodo/Prodrive are pulling a fast one and laughing all the way to the bank.
Andy
My mate has just priced up some front and rear DS2000's for his VW Corrado VR6.The physical size of the pads(and discs) are very similar to my MY 98 and the car is only slightly slower.The front pads are £55 and the rears £25 compared to £125 and £75 for my car.If you have a look through Demon Tweeks catalogue you will find that DS2000's are not that expensive at about £50 for most cars with similar power to Imprezas
So why are the pads so much more expensive for my car?.
I know what you are going to say,it's because of the tooling cost etc and low sale volumes of the Impreza pads etc.
If that is so them why was I able to buy standard grade Ferrodo pads for the rear of my car for £25 from Halfords.Surely the tooling costs and low sale volumes etc should have made these pads £75 also.It can't be the price of the DS2000 material itself or they would be more expensive for my mates VW and other cars.
I personally think it is more down to the price of the genuine standard pads.For example for my mates VW the genuine pads are £45 hence the DS2000's are slightly more expensive at £55.Ferrodo know that if they price them at £125 nobody will buy them.
On the other hand standard subaru pads are over £90 so Ferrodo know they can price them higher and then there is Prodrive's cut to consider.
Between you and me I think Ferrodo/Prodrive are pulling a fast one and laughing all the way to the bank.
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Hello all,
Just to clarify, prior to me ordering the pads Steve at Partco discussed my requirements with Mintex technical dept, and they asked him to ask me what I intended using them for (stopping me car?!!).
No seriously he went through the usages for 1144,1155 and 1166 before I settled for M1155.
He would not order any until he was satisfied I understood what I was buying.
Damn decent of him if you ask me. Cheers Steve. (but he doesn't read the internet).
These ARE NOT bog std pads, but high performance pads suitable for moderate track type use.
Cheers MTR
Just to clarify, prior to me ordering the pads Steve at Partco discussed my requirements with Mintex technical dept, and they asked him to ask me what I intended using them for (stopping me car?!!).
No seriously he went through the usages for 1144,1155 and 1166 before I settled for M1155.
He would not order any until he was satisfied I understood what I was buying.
Damn decent of him if you ask me. Cheers Steve. (but he doesn't read the internet).
These ARE NOT bog std pads, but high performance pads suitable for moderate track type use.
Cheers MTR
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by MikeWood:
<B>Gary
1155 etc is the compound number but both Ferodo and Mintex do a range of 'normal' pads that you buy from the local Motor Factor. Until quite recently this is what you would have got at Halfords until they did a deal with Ripspeed.
Mike[/quote]
Mike,
Appreciate the advice and all that, however I'm a little confused here. What you seem to be saying is that any Mintex M1155 pads that were supplied for the Impreza, other than the ones Prodrive supplied at the time, were unsuitable. Is that the tenure of what you are saying?
This may explain the dreadful squealing problem I've been having with my M1155's. These were not purchased through Prodrive and were far cheaper than the price you quoted previously.
If so, is that still the case or has it changed since Prodrive switched to Ferrodo pads i.e. can you now get the correct Impreza M1155 pads elsewhere?
Thanks.
<B>Gary
1155 etc is the compound number but both Ferodo and Mintex do a range of 'normal' pads that you buy from the local Motor Factor. Until quite recently this is what you would have got at Halfords until they did a deal with Ripspeed.
Mike[/quote]
Mike,
Appreciate the advice and all that, however I'm a little confused here. What you seem to be saying is that any Mintex M1155 pads that were supplied for the Impreza, other than the ones Prodrive supplied at the time, were unsuitable. Is that the tenure of what you are saying?
This may explain the dreadful squealing problem I've been having with my M1155's. These were not purchased through Prodrive and were far cheaper than the price you quoted previously.
If so, is that still the case or has it changed since Prodrive switched to Ferrodo pads i.e. can you now get the correct Impreza M1155 pads elsewhere?
Thanks.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by AndyMc:
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Between you and me I think Ferrodo/Prodrive are pulling a fast one and laughing all the way to the bank.
Andy [/quote]
...and if it hadn't been for us pesky kids they'd have gotten away with it....
Don't forget the 'tooling cost' of the expensive 'Prodrive' cardboard box the pads come in though bound to have significantly contributed to the cost
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by MTR:
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These ARE NOT bog std pads, but high performance pads suitable for moderate track type use.
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MTR - You won't be dissappointed with the 1155s. They can squeal if not bedded in properly, and do work better from the second application onwards, but I had no problems with them whatsoever and got no fade at all - even on track after over 20 laps
If you are heavy on the brakes, you do stand a chance of cracking standard discs due to greater heat, so my advice would be to use the £100 or so 'saving' and uprate the discs as well, which apart from giving even greater stopping power, will take harder wear. Last time I looked, Brembo Gp N discs were £80 from Scoobymania - knowing you, you should be able to get them for at least 25% less 
I used Bremsport grooved discs at c£120 and got stunning results - stopping power that made my head hurt!!
...Of course you could get the Prodrive uprated discs at £300+
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Between you and me I think Ferrodo/Prodrive are pulling a fast one and laughing all the way to the bank.
Andy [/quote]
...and if it hadn't been for us pesky kids they'd have gotten away with it....
Don't forget the 'tooling cost' of the expensive 'Prodrive' cardboard box the pads come in though
bound to have significantly contributed to the cost <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by MTR:
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These ARE NOT bog std pads, but high performance pads suitable for moderate track type use.
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MTR - You won't be dissappointed with the 1155s. They can squeal if not bedded in properly, and do work better from the second application onwards, but I had no problems with them whatsoever and got no fade at all - even on track after over 20 laps
If you are heavy on the brakes, you do stand a chance of cracking standard discs due to greater heat, so my advice would be to use the £100 or so 'saving' and uprate the discs as well, which apart from giving even greater stopping power, will take harder wear. Last time I looked, Brembo Gp N discs were £80 from Scoobymania - knowing you, you should be able to get them for at least 25% less
I used Bremsport grooved discs at c£120 and got stunning results - stopping power that made my head hurt!! ...Of course you could get the Prodrive uprated discs at £300+
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by GaryC:
...Of course you could get the Prodrive uprated discs at £300+[/B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Think youre being a bit unfair - i agree theres obviously a price difference - but doesnt part of the price = 35% dealer mark up?
Are we slagging the wrong people here?
Jza
...Of course you could get the Prodrive uprated discs at £300+
[/B]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Think youre being a bit unfair - i agree theres obviously a price difference - but doesnt part of the price = 35% dealer mark up?
Are we slagging the wrong people here?
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Podge:
<B> Mike,
Appreciate the advice and all that, however I'm a little confused here. What you seem to be saying is that any Mintex M1155 pads that were supplied for the Impreza, other than the ones Prodrive supplied at the time, were unsuitable. Is that the tenure of what you are saying?
This may explain the dreadful squealing problem I've been having with my M1155's. These were not purchased through Prodrive and were far cheaper than the price you quoted previously.
If so, is that still the case or has it changed since Prodrive switched to Ferrodo pads i.e. can you now get the correct Impreza M1155 pads elsewhere?
Thanks.[/quote]
Podge - Mintex 1155 pads are Mintex 1155 pads no matter where they are bought from. The ones that Prodrive used to sell at £125 are the same 1155s you can buy now (baring any development in the 1155 compound in the 3 years since Prodrive sold them) for around £40. The part number will be different depending on what model car you have, but the 1155 compound will still be the 1155 compound.
Likewise DS2000 is the compound. An impreza fitment DS2000 will be the same wherever it is bought from (obviously official Impreza fitment is only available from dealers, but the identical Nissan 300ZX fitment is available elsewhere)
Does that clear it up?
<B> Mike,
Appreciate the advice and all that, however I'm a little confused here. What you seem to be saying is that any Mintex M1155 pads that were supplied for the Impreza, other than the ones Prodrive supplied at the time, were unsuitable. Is that the tenure of what you are saying?
This may explain the dreadful squealing problem I've been having with my M1155's. These were not purchased through Prodrive and were far cheaper than the price you quoted previously.
If so, is that still the case or has it changed since Prodrive switched to Ferrodo pads i.e. can you now get the correct Impreza M1155 pads elsewhere?
Thanks.[/quote]
Podge - Mintex 1155 pads are Mintex 1155 pads no matter where they are bought from. The ones that Prodrive used to sell at £125 are the same 1155s you can buy now (baring any development in the 1155 compound in the 3 years since Prodrive sold them) for around £40. The part number will be different depending on what model car you have, but the 1155 compound will still be the 1155 compound.
Likewise DS2000 is the compound. An impreza fitment DS2000 will be the same wherever it is bought from (obviously official Impreza fitment is only available from dealers, but the identical Nissan 300ZX fitment is available elsewhere)
Does that clear it up?
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Hello all,
Sorry but it looks like Partco may have got their wires crosed.
I went to pick upo my M1155 compound pads today, and they had recieved MDB1155M1155 pads.
The MDB1155 is the part number (the wrong part number by the way) the M1155 is the correct compound, but what car the pads were for I have no idea.
Steve, the chap that took my order wasn't in, so we were unable to establish if he knew the correct part number for the Impreza, and the Mintex book doesn't list a different pad for the 4 pot equipped cars, just one pad for all models.
Or at least the Mintex book they had only listed 1 type.
I have established that Mintex MDB1416 and Ferodo FDB986 are the pad style listed for one of the variants of the Nissan 300ZX ( I think during one of my phone cals to differing companies, someone told me it was a pre 1994?).
But I have yet to see a catalogue either Mintex/Ferodo that states a specific pad style for the Subaru 4 pots, that are obviously different than the 2 pot sliding caliper pre MY99 cars.
The chap at my local Halfords is going to try and establish a part number and then price tommorrow for me.
Oh well, I knew it had to be too good to be true.
Cheers MTR
Sorry but it looks like Partco may have got their wires crosed.
I went to pick upo my M1155 compound pads today, and they had recieved MDB1155M1155 pads.
The MDB1155 is the part number (the wrong part number by the way) the M1155 is the correct compound, but what car the pads were for I have no idea.
Steve, the chap that took my order wasn't in, so we were unable to establish if he knew the correct part number for the Impreza, and the Mintex book doesn't list a different pad for the 4 pot equipped cars, just one pad for all models.
Or at least the Mintex book they had only listed 1 type.
I have established that Mintex MDB1416 and Ferodo FDB986 are the pad style listed for one of the variants of the Nissan 300ZX ( I think during one of my phone cals to differing companies, someone told me it was a pre 1994?).
But I have yet to see a catalogue either Mintex/Ferodo that states a specific pad style for the Subaru 4 pots, that are obviously different than the 2 pot sliding caliper pre MY99 cars.
The chap at my local Halfords is going to try and establish a part number and then price tommorrow for me.
Oh well, I knew it had to be too good to be true.
Cheers MTR
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The Mintex MDB1416 part number that you mentioned for the Nissan 300ZX is the same as the one I received for my Impreza. The full part number was MDB1416 M1155 from Mintex Racing. The box was marked "Racing Brake Pads". TMD Friction Ltd., West Yorkshire was printed on the side of the box.
This means that the Mintex M1155 compound pads for the Impreza are the exact same as those for the Nissan 300ZX as Gary suggested.
Its also likely that the Ferodo FDB986 DS2000 pads for the Nissan 300ZX are the exact same as the Impreza ones? Can anyone check the box their DS2000 pads came in to confirm this. I haven't received my DS2000 pads yet, but I certainly would be interested in knowing if they are the same part number as the Nissan ones.
Thanks.
The Mintex MDB1416 part number that you mentioned for the Nissan 300ZX is the same as the one I received for my Impreza. The full part number was MDB1416 M1155 from Mintex Racing. The box was marked "Racing Brake Pads". TMD Friction Ltd., West Yorkshire was printed on the side of the box.
This means that the Mintex M1155 compound pads for the Impreza are the exact same as those for the Nissan 300ZX as Gary suggested.
Its also likely that the Ferodo FDB986 DS2000 pads for the Nissan 300ZX are the exact same as the Impreza ones? Can anyone check the box their DS2000 pads came in to confirm this. I haven't received my DS2000 pads yet, but I certainly would be interested in knowing if they are the same part number as the Nissan ones.
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Podge,
Demon Tweeks confirmed today that the MDB1416 is the listed number for the Subaru and Nissan paads with Mintex, and told me the FDB986 is actually FCB986 in the DS2000 material, prseumably the D changes to a C for Competition?
They hadn't got either the M1155 or DS2000, which is being changed in the next couple of weeks to DS2500 apparently.
Thanks for the feedback.
Cheers MTR
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Demon Tweeks confirmed today that the MDB1416 is the listed number for the Subaru and Nissan paads with Mintex, and told me the FDB986 is actually FCB986 in the DS2000 material, prseumably the D changes to a C for Competition?
They hadn't got either the M1155 or DS2000, which is being changed in the next couple of weeks to DS2500 apparently.
Thanks for the feedback.
Cheers MTR
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I installed the Ferodo DS2000 pads on Saturday. I have two hundred miles up on them now. I was advised not to push them for the first couple of hundred miles so I haven't. I hope to test them out next weekend. I'll let you know the results.
My initial impressions are as follows:
1. The initial bite is definitely better than the Mintex M1155.
2. The compound seems softer than the Mintex.
3. The pads have a grove in the centre of them effectively dividing them in two. The Mintex pads do not have this.
4. The edges of the pad are bevelled. The Mintex pads do not have this.
5. The depth of pad material seems less than the Mintex pads.
6. The back of the pads has a blue plastic substance on in. The Mintex pads do not have this.
7. The Ferodo pads squeal a lot, but not quite as loudly as the Mintex.
These pads came in a Prodrive box with the words "uprated pads for MY99" marked on it. There was no mention of Ferodo on box. There were no bedding in instructions either, however I was told that normal driving for a couple on hundred miles should suffice.
Any comments .. especially with regard to the squeal problem. This was the main reason I changed the pads in the first place.
Thanks guys.
My initial impressions are as follows:
1. The initial bite is definitely better than the Mintex M1155.
2. The compound seems softer than the Mintex.
3. The pads have a grove in the centre of them effectively dividing them in two. The Mintex pads do not have this.
4. The edges of the pad are bevelled. The Mintex pads do not have this.
5. The depth of pad material seems less than the Mintex pads.
6. The back of the pads has a blue plastic substance on in. The Mintex pads do not have this.
7. The Ferodo pads squeal a lot, but not quite as loudly as the Mintex.
These pads came in a Prodrive box with the words "uprated pads for MY99" marked on it. There was no mention of Ferodo on box. There were no bedding in instructions either, however I was told that normal driving for a couple on hundred miles should suffice.
Any comments .. especially with regard to the squeal problem. This was the main reason I changed the pads in the first place.
Thanks guys.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by AndrewC:
<B>Gary,
I assume you performed the 2nd phase of the bedding in process on a track somewhere?
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But of course private airfield non-the-less 
what do you take me for?
If in doubt just practice saying
"...Yes PC Tax Collector, I know I was doing 90, but I was just bedding in these competiton spec 'not for road use' brake pads like Gary said..."
<B>Gary,
I assume you performed the 2nd phase of the bedding in process on a track somewhere?
[/quote]
But of course
private airfield non-the-less what do you take me for? If in doubt just practice saying
"...Yes PC Tax Collector, I know I was doing 90, but I was just bedding in these competiton spec 'not for road use' brake pads like Gary said..."
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Interesting debate guys!.....
But what about the relative merits of DS3000 and DS 4003, which we find to be almost all things to all people.. Cracking road pad, really sensible dust levels, Zero squeal and will take a few quick track days...... and still let you drive home after.... That does it for me
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3000's do suffer this way in winter, due to the high metal content of the pad being deteriorated by salt. OK if you can keep an eye on it.
4003's, due to their different compound do not suffer in the same way.... and have very similar characteristics and coefficients.
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From: Where age and treachery reins over youthful exuberance
Trouser. "Sorry I just slammed into the back of you, but my brake pads have deteriorated due to the salt on the road, which the council puts down to stop people slamming into the back of eachother." Hmmm...
If Ferodo's 4003F pad is so similar to DS3000, why do they bother to make two compounds? DS3000 is nothing like them.
DS2000 has some similar characteristics to 4003F but has the edge overall and can run hotter, hence Prodrive's confidence in fitting them to their big brake upgrade which they know is likely to get a track-day hammering.
Richard
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If Ferodo's 4003F pad is so similar to DS3000, why do they bother to make two compounds? DS3000 is nothing like them.
DS2000 has some similar characteristics to 4003F but has the edge overall and can run hotter, hence Prodrive's confidence in fitting them to their big brake upgrade which they know is likely to get a track-day hammering.
Richard
[This message has been edited by Hoppy (edited 23 June 2001).]
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lol Richard
Don't worry... they may microscopically fragment in the Salty winter weather.... but 3000's will still stop you
Just invest in a running account of "Wonder wheels" cleaner..... and polish the side of your car daily!!
Apart from that... great performing pad!
As you concurred... the 4003 is a much better all rounder... They never quite "bite" the way that 3000's do, thats all!
Cheers
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Trouser:
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Just invest in a running account of "Wonder wheels" cleaner..... and polish the side of your car daily!!
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Wonder Wheels is acid Don't even use it on wheels let alone your paintwork unless you like the blistered, flaking, corroded look of course
WW Waxed panels and wheels will mean even the most stobborn brake dust etc will come off with soap and water, and for any more stubborn marks (tar etc) a £5 clay will do the rest.
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Just invest in a running account of "Wonder wheels" cleaner..... and polish the side of your car daily!!
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Wonder Wheels is acid
Don't even use it on wheels let alone your paintwork unless you like the blistered, flaking, corroded look of course WW Waxed panels and wheels will mean even the most stobborn brake dust etc will come off with soap and water, and for any more stubborn marks (tar etc) a £5 clay will do the rest.
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Done 4`000 miles on DS2000`S no track days at all live in london not a very happy bunny at the moment pads have worn out ...so what do you think milage on car 28k ...just i would put my 140 pounds worth in not happy. Enough said on my behalf cheers .....please no smart **** comments thanks ...
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:<HR>Originally posted by g man:
<B>Done 4`000 miles on DS2000`S no track days at all live in london not a very happy bunny at the moment pads have worn out ...so what do you think milage on car 28k ...just i would put my 140 pounds worth in not happy. Enough said on my behalf cheers .....please no smart **** comments thanks ...[/quote]
Try 1155s?
I got 12-14000 miles per front set (even with harder wearing grooved discs), including track days. So for the cost of one set of DS2000s, I could get over 30000 miles of driving and 'tracking'
<B>Done 4`000 miles on DS2000`S no track days at all live in london not a very happy bunny at the moment pads have worn out ...so what do you think milage on car 28k ...just i would put my 140 pounds worth in not happy. Enough said on my behalf cheers .....please no smart **** comments thanks ...[/quote]
Try 1155s?
I got 12-14000 miles per front set (even with harder wearing grooved discs), including track days. So for the cost of one set of DS2000s, I could get over 30000 miles of driving and 'tracking'
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