Midlife......

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Bob "The Guru" Rawle did mine

RaymondH

There is obviously a tale or two to tell here... I wasn't aware of anything untoward and thought that the GEMS group buyers were all happy except for problems with an MY98. I'll take your comments on board. Ta.

Johnny50

The MY98 you are talking about is mine.
Gems have found the route of the problem, and Steve is trying a re-written ecu in another car, before coming up to do mine again.

The installation was never finished on mine, so i`m in no position to say anything good or bad.

U WOT!

While were on the topic of the best remappers, what is the best ECU to get mapped, sorry if this is hijacking the thread a bit.

TopBanana

Probably best to start a new thread on that - depends on budget, the year of your car, and how extreme you're going!

fuz

Pat cos he is half Bob's age

ScoobyDuck

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with age comes experience !
but would use Pat or Bob

Abbylad

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From web-site - "TSL are now the leading EcuTek mapper in the UK"
no recommendations and only one mention in this thread.......hmmmmmmmm

Abbylad

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oh, and Bob gets my vote

sti4

Having had my car mapped by Pat originally by Pat in Oct 03 the results were average, plus there was far to much activity on the knocklink. after not being able to sort these probs out i decided to pay a bit more and get Bob to map it. All I can say is WOW, what a difference. If you compare the 2 maps there are some big differences.

The car now ulls like it should have in the first place

Danny B

Called BRD to book a map and they were booked up 3 months in advance, called Scooby Sport on the Wednesday and by Saturday afternoon I had a Tek3 from Pat.
Best money I ever spent.

S.B.

Must be good if the queue is that long

Danny B

Your not wrong, he has a very good reputation, shame he only works weekends

harvey

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If it wasn`t for the input from Bob Rawle I doubt if I would ever have got near to 585 bhp in the STi 6 Wagon and I have been very happy with the Link ECU so much so that we are about to fit one to my WRX Wagon. Looking for 400 + bhp on a budget project and a lot of it is down to Bob.
The STi 6 Wagon is about to get a new engine, still 2 litres and Bob is installing a Motec and looking after mapping. We hope to exceed 600 bhp with the additional modifications. Results to date speak for themselves.

Bobs mapping has been totally trouble free and I have never known him resort to a Dawes Device or GBE valve for boost control etc. If you want an optimum power map with an engine left in a safe condition I think you will go a long way to better Bob Rawle.

jmc1968

what is the difference betwen motec, link and the oem ecu's.
I thought that if you were to use your standard ecu, it would be safer.
Can they be remapped differently.
Can anyone tell this novice the difference

stevebt

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well im with scoty on this one and think andyf does a cracking job

jmc1968

The reason i wrote this thread was that I am looking for the greatest increase in tourque at the cheapest price.
I was looking at a full decat with a remap
I guess it would depened on who did the remap to get the best results, would I be correct in what I am saying or have I been wasting everybodys time.
I must thank you all for all the replies this thread has received

stevebt

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greatest increase in torque and cheapest price dont go together when doing your car up lots of torque usually equals lots of £££

jmc1968

ah wise one, but what is the cheapest option.
Pleaes only quote me if u can give me an answer, I am new to this and am looking for advice.
It is a simle question
, what is the cheapest yet most reliable method

stevebt

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suppose the easiest way for someone to tell you would be if you said the year of your car as thats a major factor in what can be done

Pavlo

I would say use Pat or Bob, both are well proven, have good after sales back up and available accross a wide area.

the problem is there are tales about eveyr mapper, but you seldom know the full story. For every story of someone going from mapper A to B and being delighted, there is another from someone that went from B to A and been equally delighted. But I have not heard any stories of being delighted when going from A or B to C.

You should also be aware that you can only map to the limits of the car. If a car will only run with X degrees of advance, due to a problem with spark plugs that were thought to be good, you might get it mapped somewhere else with new plugs and be amazed at the difference.

Paul

Trout

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I have not read all the way back through this thread - however if you want to increase torque at the lowest cost...

...get rid of the cat - fit a decent decat downpipe and have it remapped to take advantage of earlier spool up.

I have used both Bob and Pat. Both are very good. Nowadays I tend to use Pat exclusively as he is one of, if not the most experienced mappers for the ECU that I use. He is also extremely good at sorting out the electrics and checking sensors etc, making sure your car is in a fit state to be tuned.

Rannoch

THOMO

I suppose you dont no how good your map is until you have compared it against another mapper.On this thread i would say bob just pipping it.

Pavlo

LOL, you can tell the quality of Bob's maps from this thread?

Nathan L

Lol

Well all I can say is Bob did another map for me yesterday, for my STi and it is simply awesome

Nathan..

Sandman

Must say Pat provides excellent service,agree with Zippy way back on this thread.Pat going to contact you soon re a K & N Typhoon Kit re map on my TEC3.

CustomScoobyIOM

Are you sure?!

M0NEY

Probably every mapper has blown up a car!

Ive heard of Bob/Pat and other mappers blowing a car up

But the question is how many cars have they mapped and how many have been blown. Both Bob and Pat and great mappers and of all the cars they have mapped, only 1-2 have had problems

Just my 2p worth

john banks

Performance tuned engines blow up from time to time. There are multiple causes, sometimes the map, sometimes not.

Two of the ones I did blew up, both over 300 BHP, both oddly enough more conservative maps and both were used repeatedly at 150+ mph. One after rebuild to completely standard is detting on the standard ECU so there is likely another factor like a fuel supply issue or MAF problem (which should be checked on rebuild).

R19KET

Hands up all those people who know of a bog standard, or pretty close to car that's done a big end........

Hands up all thoses people who know of a bog standard, or pretty close to car that's done a piston.......

How quickly people forget.............

If a car lets go either shortly after, or even after a long period after it's been mapped, the owner is far too quick to blame the mapper.

Whilst I don't doubt that very occasionally the mapper may make a mistake, it's VERY RARE, and if a car does let go after mapping, it's HIGHLY likely that it would have let go at some point, regardless.

Whilst mappers such as Pat, and Bob will take every care to make sure the car is in a fit state to be mapped in the first place, it's impossible for them to know EXACTLY what the condition of the engine in.

It's common sense that if an engine isn't 100% to start with, increasing the loads/stresses will help promote a failure far more quickly.

Owners never want to accept that the car would more than likely have let go anyway, they are upset, looking for a reason, ans it's just been mapped !!!!

I know both Pat, and Bob very well, and how they both map. Both are meticulous about the fuelling, and ignition. Both use det' cans, and wide band.

Neither would let a car go without being 100% certain that the fuelling, and ignition were 100% safe.

What you never hear about, are the owners who have allowed the oil to run low at some point, or the guys who think that throwing in some extra octane booster just before a re-map, is a good idea, who then either don't realise the implications of not running the same fuel all the time, or can't get 97/Optimax, but take a chance on ragging it anyway.


Davescar,

Are you in a position to state exactly what caused the failures you've listed, because you have effectively accused the mappers of blowing the engines up !!!!

Yes there are two sides, but I suggest you know them, before making such implications !!!

Lastly,

I don't know if the rumours about Harvey's car are true, but even if they are, I don't think ANYONE, least of all Harvey, will be blaming the person responsible for mapping.

He's been pushing the limits on his car for 10's of thousands of miles, the most surprising thing, is that it's actually stood up to it this long.

If the rumours are true, I'm sure Harvey will post about it when he's ready, along with what happened, so other people can try and avoid the same issue, if it turns out to be an issue in the first place.

Mark.