Gutmann pug

Knobby i wasnt trying to be funny about it so please dont take it the wrong way.

The reason I said you didn't have the TSL333 is because there has been alot said on here in the past about the TSL333 product not making the 333bhp its claimed to. It has transpired that people with the 333 had been on the RR and not made 333bhp. Paul has then had to come on-line to defend his product by stating that the customer in question didn't have the whole product but only part of it. Re-map without exhaust etc etc. The claim he makes is based on the full package and if your not careful people can believe that a £650 re-map will release 333BHP which it wont.

I for one am in that position as I had the re-map / filter / fuel pump but used my own full de-cat exhaust. I havent been on the rollers as I find they are a bad judge of a car anyway. The true test is the cars feel on the road and it feels 100% smoother and more flexable.
TSL in my opinion are a top outfit and will be taking more of my hard earned in the non too distant future ...

p1doc

i know i could not go back to tsl again .....at least till my credit card has recovered again.i am more than happy to travel dundee to nottingham for the quality and banter especially for the drive back though-it keeps getting shorter each time
martin

scooby-k

Scoobydave has just had the "new ppp remap" from prodrive its definately better than the earlier ones.
ken

Bob Rawle

Its worth noting that the ecu code for the MY04 is far better than for the earlier model years and that, above all, will be influencing the PPP "quality".

Its not the "implementation" but the "application" ie "car" that determines whats possible.

bob

MikeWood

Bob

You've lost me a bit there, are you talking about the base spec ie std ECU 990/992 or the EcuTeK software that's far better?

Mike

Bob Rawle

Hi Mike, talking about the WRX ecu code and its "facillities" , I will be seeing if I can "persuade" the earlier ecu's to accept this as it appears to be less "cluttered", more in line with the JDM 03 STi code. Certainly even a completely stock car (WRX) can be made to run at STi levels of performance.

Not sure if its possible until I try it which will be in a couple of weeks time.

Bob

MikeWood

Bob

Ah, got it now, you're talking about the WRX not the STi. We tried that a long time ago and you get aggro with the alternator control system if you try to put anything 03MY into an 01/02 ECU.

The latest version of Flash2002 has lots of extra capability that we have asked EcuTeK to unearth on ignition control amongst other things, that's why the current version of the STi PPP as well as WR1 and WRX have different strategies.

Mike

BAH

Is it possible to get this latest map for 03>STI PPP owners....? I dont see why people who have payed there money shouldnt be able to get a revised edition of the map if improvements have been made.....

I am considereing options for remaps, as i am a little dissapointed with the PPP on my car, but would rather keep the warranty. If there is a revised version that can be flashed in.

marklemac

What about us MY02 STI PPP owners

Bob Rawle

Mike, thats a shame, the gear wastegate compensation is terrific, wonder if Steve could tweak that for me ... he mentioned it would probably throw a CEL ... hmmm.

Flash2002 (and 99 for that matter) just keep getting better as you say, its also true to say that the ecu code itself is also improving and thats probably more of the difference I think.

bob

bob

GREGGYG

iTrader: (2)

Hi chaps, can I or can't I get an improved PPP remap for my MY03 WRX from my Subaru dealer?

DBY

You will not get an answer on that one, but it's a very good question that has been asked many times but with no reply.

Regards

John

marklemac

Yup, this has been debated before.

Just like software companies, things are always getting improved and they offer software updates either free or chargeable.

I for one would be fine paying for the latest map if there was one available for my car (MY02 STI). This February my ECU was sent back to Prodrive because of intermittent boost problems, and they sent my dealer a different ecu with a new map on. The car was transformed from the previous ecu/map I had.

Prodrive could make good money out of exisiting PPP owners if they offered the latest map.

Would be interested to hear some feedback from them...

DBY

Still no answer !!!

chris's scooby

Any thoughts on upgrading a WR1?

MikeWood

I've been on holiday and out of the office for most of this week, hence no reply.

The issue of uprating existing packages to the latest spec is quite a difficult topic as there are lots of things to consider. It is not possible for the dealer to update your ECU on site, it has to be reprogrammed either at Subaru (where they are all currently programmed) or by Prodrive. For another ECU to a later spec to be sent to your dealer will mean that someone may not get a performance package at all so that system will not work.

If we come up with a plan to upgrade the ECUs here then we have issues with both workshop time and the fact that everyone has to travel to Warwick. This of course is not a feasible proposition for some people as the distances would be too great and not everyone could afford the time off during the week to do it.

I have been discussing this topic with Subaru UK and these discussions are ongoing, hence not being able to give a definitive yes or no answer just yet. When we have any further news I’ll let you know (if the thread doesn’t get pulled for commercial content!)

Mike

KnobbySP1

Interesting to note that having all the problems I had with the PPP and a formal letter to Mike Wood (without response) I had to resort to finding an alternative i.e. TSL

They represent knowledgeable value for money and have transformed the car to what it should have been from the start.

Funny to see a thread on feedback on a company that actual does come back to you and does a good job has now kick-started the people that should have done the job in the first place to surface.

My whinge, my thread - fair game if you want to retort Mike but ignoring customers (like myself) never goes down well...

MikeWood

KnobbySP1

Sorry if you feel that you were ignored but I didn't receive a letter so it's pretty difficult to respond without knowing you have an issue.

PM me rather than having a go at me on a public forum. You may find that you get an answer.......

Mike

DBY

Mike many thanks for your reply, sorry if we some times get a little arsey over this matter but it is good to know that something could possibly done. As said before no problem in paying a commercial rate for the up grade.

regards

John

KnobbySP1

Hmm, and so the excuses go around and around - why did'nt you PM me then rather than retorting on a public forum?

Here's the letter - for all to see - this was the start of the saga that lasted over 18 months - I had it couriered to you and checked with the courier that it was signed for.....

Ref: prodrive1.doc

16 May, 2003

Mike Wood
Prodrive Ltd
Acorn Way
Banbury
Oxfordshire OX16 7XS

Dear Mike,

If you are not the correct person to deal with this, I apologise for the intrusion but could you please pass it on and ask them to contact me. You may recall we met at KT Green (Tom Butler introduced us) when you stepped by for their launch of the STi8. I understand than Jon Mathers has also been in contact with you over my situation.

I bought an STi7 from KT Green in April 2002. Being impressed with the car but appalled by the strangulated engine due to European emission regulations, I looked for ways to get close to the performance it should have had originally. I looked into various after market modifications to achieve this as well as the PPP.

The choice came down to the fact that the modifications were cheaper (approx £800) but the PPP came from Prodrive and kept my warranty in-tact. I went ahead and ordered the PPP and had it fitted in October 2002 with the knowledge that I’d paid more than double for the upgrade but made the safe choice.

Since the PPP was fitted to my car, I’ve had two problems, which have persisted and are still uncorrected:

1) The car juders (feels like under-fueling) in 6th gear and to a lesser extent in 5th gear.
2) The heat shield keeps rattling against the PPP downpipe

Charlie and his team at KT Green have worked very hard to put the problems right but certain things have come to light that question me as to whether I made the right choice. In March 2003 a re-call for the Fuel Pump on the PPP for an STi7 made me immediately suspicious. KT Green fitted it and reset the ECU. Within a matter of hours the judering problem was back again. Charlie spoke to yourselves and has been told then the first set of STi7 PPP ECU’s were piggyback units and “a bit dodgy”. They have now dispatched a “later model” to KT Green to see if it cures the problem. In the meantime, Charlie is still battling to get the heat shield and the PPP downpipe to co-exist without rattling.

Given that I paid more than double (than other after market modifications) and believed in the Prodrive brand, I am very disappointed in the way I’ve had nothing but problems since fitting the PPP. I would appreciate your help in resolving this matter since it’s now a year since I originally got the car and it’s never been 100%

Yours sincerely




Ian Thomason
Managing Director
Explorer (UK) Ltd

Daz34

Mike isn't based at the Banbury address

KnobbySP1

Defo signed for by someone at Prodrive - so then, no-one passed it on and filed it in the bin?

I also called and left messages...and none were returned.

chiark

Wasn't this once about TSL?

Ian, if it will give anything productive, how about asking the questions of Prodrive/Mike in a separate thread? Or, better still, sort it out in private first and then let us know the outcome.

The reason for the request is not for any other reason than to keep this on-topic about the TSL upgrade

KnobbySP1

I tried resolving the issue(s) in private before and got no-where...

Yes it was about TSL, I started it on TSL and I keep reffering it back to TSL (check thro the thread) but if someone steals it and then chooses to air dirty linen when I know the truth I'm not going to sit back and do nothing - especially since this topic on TSL was started because the PPP ECU upgrade did'nt do it's job.

chiark

True enough. I'll shut up then

oztokyo

Guys,

The torque and BHP figures for TSL333 seem to be for STi...how much would I expect for new age 2002 WRX?

KnobbySP1

The TSL333 figures are for an STi

As for yours, it depends what you're done to the car already and how much of it they can use....

Give 'em a bell - friendly and informed bunch - 0115 937 7200

oztokyo

Not touched it yet mate. I've only been in UK 5 years and only just got my 4 years NCD now....all of a sudden my premium dropped like a stone and so now I'm going a modding!

I'll give TSL a call. I'm going to have to speak to them first to get an idea of what I need to tell the insurance company. They usually ask for percentage increase in power after mod.

Really tired now of crap lag and seems gutless now after getting familiar with it. Hoping TSL can do the job but the reports in this thread appear to say the have got a customer service ethic that Subaru can only dream of. My last service at Aylesbury was highway robbery and they can barely raise a smile and a hello.