TonyBurns

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I take it you missed all the bits they have said about the Spec C over the last few months then?

Tony

redevo

That'll be the rare limited edition that runs about 330bhp then not really a run of the mill Impreza? That'll be like me saying 'Have you not seen the write ups of the Delta S4 then?The car that would run 450bhp+! That was Delta based" we're on about the mass produced cars unless the spec C is now the run of the mill scooby? And not the light weight race car that it really is?

CraigH

Peter,

Do you do Dono regularly in that? Remember an Evo just like yours a coupla years back being driven pretty quickly round there.

Thing that differentiates the Delta and a Scoob, is that regardless of whether or not the Scoob is faster, it's a mass produced common car 9especially nowadays) and doesn't really have any specialness left. Probably the last special Impreza was the 22b. Deltas just look sooooo cool, by far the best looking rally rep.

scrappydog

Pete,

are all EVOs 16v?

Andy

PS. One of my favorite cars. Almost bought an EVO Kat with 10K miles for £14K about 5 yrs ago. Always regretted not getting it.

TonyBurns

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RedEvo,
The Spec C uses the same engine and running gear as the JDM GL STi, there are differences like the slightly longer wheelbase and engine oil cooler (plus different turbo) and these are pretty rare cars, lots of fun for the owner and a real sleeper as they look pretty similar to the WRX, a definate must have car (thus why i have one )

Tony

StickyMicky

i am soooo tempted to get one lf these next,i really am!!

its just the fact that they break down, id love one if i had a second car, but funds just cant allow, i always promised myself one when i was a kid and i will own one at sumpoint, but at the moment as i travel to far in the car to make it worthwhile

do they rust as well?

Tone Loc

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The Spec C is a great car... but at the end of the day it is just another go fast Jap box. The integrale had a soul, a definate classic that people will remember for many many years to come. It may not be as quick as the current crop of rally replicas (Evo 8/Spec C.... standard WRX would be eaten by it tho). It's not all about on paper perforamnce figures. EVO/Performance Car called it...... 'Performance Car of the Decade.' I'll guarantee the Spec C doesn't win this kind of title in 2009!

Tony.

TonyBurns

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I take it that must have been the 80's then as they have called many cars performance cars of the decade, i believe they also called the impreza that

Tony

mozzaITA

A mate of mine had an Integrale evo 2 with the cat removed and different airfilter, my cousin at the time owned a E36 3.0 M3 and to 100 there wasnt much init but after a ton the M3 was pulling lengths,,, that was in the dry BUT in the wet the lancia was unstoppable, ive not seen a car take a corner/roundabout so fast in my life!

Remember the M3 hits 100 in around 13-14 seconds, this car IS faster than a Fiat 20v turbo which i read often that are more than a match for a uk impreza (once moving ofcourse), I driven the 20vt and i thought it was 'slow' and no match for the integrale.

My 2euro's worth...

Forza Italia!

www.rapidcarsltd.co.uk

Tone Loc

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Ermm no..... just before they switched the name of the mag (Car not EVO) they gave with the last issue a supplement away that detailed all the great (and ****e) cars of the 90s. The Integrale was the Performance Car of the decade.... the skyline, impreza etc were all mentioned as icons.

I'll quote a bit...' There's a life force at work, an energy which beds itself into your soul every time you get behind the wheel. It's a buzz that starts the moment you even look at the car, one which increases with intensity the second the engine fires. On an empty, demanding road, you'll be both in love and in awe, your passion inflamed.... that's why the Integrale is the icon of icons.'

Yes the subaru is ulimately quicker (as the mag says) but it's not all about that.... and yes i do own an Impreza.

Tony.

redevo

No not all are 16v but most are there were a few built with the 8v engine, but these were meant for the swiss market as there emissions laws are similar to the US. These run about 185bhp as standard and are suppose to be good fun to drive due to the torque delivery being different. Tony

redevo

Just though I'd pop this down from CAR mag back in 94. A test between the Escort Cosworth, Subaru Impreza and the Celica GT-FOUR! Neither of these gets close to dethroning the Lancia Delta Integrale, However which remains one of our favourite cars. It's steering is sublime, it's handling brilliantly neutral, it's grip prodigious, it's gearchange an indulgence, it's seats exquisite.The final Evolution of an all time great gives more driving pleasure than any rval here or elsewhere!"

talbotsteve

l now have a 16v integrale after 2 legacy turbo's the last one being a very good spec car,the 16v is currently undergoing a rebuild into a track /rallycar....l haven't had time to make a fair comparison yet,but to be fair the lancia is going to have to be something very special to even compare to my last legacy...only time will tell

marcevo1

i like steve t have owned subarus in the past and loved them to bits - fact is in 1993 all i really wanted was a grale evolution - i had bought the legacy turbo (supplied my Mr ford motorsport manager malcolm wilson!) knowing that it was a stop gap....

i now own a modded evo1 - and must say it makes all the subarus i've driven feel very understeery and numb (which in some ways aint bad as the evo is NOT a everyday car)

i confess i have been toying with the idea of changing it - mitsi evo - too much like a taxi and gutless below 4000rpm

now then a spec c - that more like it - same rear bias 4X4 spilt as the evo and simlar power to weight ratio (im running 1.7bar >300bhp with boost spooling at just 2000rpm) - it indeed also has factory fitted intercooler spray (lancia was the first!)

one problem - its £17k more than my car...... feels just as fast on the road.....i never intend tracking either car......and my insurance is <£400 fully comp in manchester!

whilst the lancia requires a lot of love to keep it going - you also have to take into account that £2500 buys a brand new full engine from fiat.....

loads of respect for the scoobies - but i'll wait 12 years to by a spec c! (i wonder if it would be in as good condition as my evo.....)

good forum fellas

marc

TonyBurns

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Ah now this is where the Spec C improves things as it has a slightly longer wheel base and the A-DCCD which get rid of that nasty understeer.

The rear bias is controllable on the Spec C as it has the Auto Drivers controlled centre Diff switch, it has both a manual and automatic setting so you can play as much as you like with it.
These cars are also 300bhp+ out of the box (which is nice) and run at 1.3 bar whilst doing so, they are also very tunable and 350bhp aint a problem
Power comes in very low down, your looking at 1500rpm if not less, in 4th gear you can quite happily do 20mph and the car doesnt strain, 5th gear at 30mph is the same, no problems and there is around 230lbs of torque on tap at the 2400rpm mark also. The intercooler spray is manual but there is also the auto button which you just press and it will quite happily do it itself, and with at 12ltr watertank in the boot theres lots to go round


Ah well the insurance is a problem, like any 26k car its going to cost you somewhere and mine comes in at 1150 fully comp protected (9yrs ncb, 35yr old, no points/accidents etc) but the car is a sleeper and very quick to boot (nice 6 speed box helps plus there is over 300lbs of torque available to you in standard form).
As for condition... if they get undersealed (they dont have any on normally) then with the right care, this car should last 12 years easily, like most cars though, they will get into the wrong hands and a once good car will eventually become a boy racers dream (unmaintained and ragged into the ground.....)

Tony

noble46

WHy is it unfair to compare an STi and a slightly tuned grale? THe Sti boys are so certain that their cars are the doggs bollocks..they look it, well the 04 model does anyway..but I would still go for a slightly tuned intergrale with a few £1000 spent on it and kicking 300bhp+ to be beat a impreza in the right hands!

and this is the most annoying thing posted by anyone eva!

"I love the grale really turns heads" You are damn right it does mate!

"but the impreza is just as good at doing the same!" -you wot?! you are joking! the only reason any1 looks is to see wot the hell is making so much bloddy noise!

Lancia delta=real car, real following, the best!
Impreza=a good one costs way too much when its only a few% better than the grale and is only looked at by boys who think its something its not!

Tom.

Still say bring it on grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

StickyMicky

still dont belive that all evos have the same bodywork, im looking at pictures and seeing diffrent headlights

whats all that about?
and can anybody tell me what the diffrence is between the evo2 and what is being described as a "evo3"?

scrappydog

This is the bit that really confused me the 2nd time round I looked at buying an Integrale. The first time round I nearly bought what I now know was an EVO Kat, but at the time I was told it was and EVO 2 and not that different to a std EVO. Fast forward 3 years (a Fiat Coupe and Impreza later) and I was looking at an Integrale EVO which turned out to be 8v, which I thought was iffy so I walked away. From your comments it now turns out it wasn't iffy, but I wanted a 16v anyway.

Bloody confusing - what's the best Integrale resource on the Web for prospective buyers?

Tom - pop a chill pill m8 . If you read most of the posts you'll realise that most of the people on this thread all 4wd rally-car enthusiasts. So we are all looking at this the same way. Which car you prefer has more to do with which decade you're born in rather than which car is better. I bet there are similar Audi Quattro vs Integrale threads on the net too!!
I'm old enough to remember Quattros, but Integrale was more my lust car when it came to being old enough to buy a car. (And also probably due to playing too much SEGA Rally Challenge at Scarborough when the surf was flat!). Remember all these cars (Quattro, Scoob, Integrale, EVOs) were all conceived to win rallies and thats what they did. Each car DOMINATED the field in their day so there is a lot of truth in saying they all do the same thing.
The most important thing for drivers is that the cars that dominated their field did so in a form that was VERY similar to the road going cars, rather than the more irrelevant "silohette" class we have now. Groupe A was a great class for affordable performance cars. In competition form there must have been progression in performance otherwise they would not have been competitive, so an Integrale must be quicker than a Quatrro, but the Impreza must be quicker than the Integrale and the Evo quicker than them all. I bit simplistic a view and ignoring Groupe B or WRC, but it is competition reality. And after all, this is why these cars were developed in the first place, not for pub or BBS slagging matches, but for real, no bull**** races.


Andy

Tone Loc

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The integrale roll of honour goes like this:

Delta HF turbo..... prelude to the integrale
Delta Integrale 8V.... first integrale (wide arches comapred to the turbo)
Delta Integrale 16V.... compared to 8V obviously the engine is now 16V which means the bonnet bulge is now rather obvious
Delta Integrale EVO.... arches are now a hell of a lot wider and a nice adjustable rear wing (front and rear bumpers also change which make the car far more impressive)
Delta Integrale EVO kat.... cat added, high back recaros, meatl fuel filler cap.

There are far more changes to list but i just don't have the time... i have the press pack for the evo which list every little detail change. The evo 3 thing comes from the fact some people consider the 16V to be the first evo, then the evo would be evo 2 abd the evo kat to be evo 3.

Tony.

mozzaITA

Lets face it we would all have an integrale if we was brave enough to own an older car which could be troublesome. On the looks department in the right colour the integrale is one of the most amazing hatchbacks to look at!!, if you see one close up especially one of the last ones made you just cant stop looking at the way the rear arches are incorporated halfway in the back door, its an amazing sight. Yes the headlights changed on the integrale, i think the earlier ones had a slightly smaller outer light but the evo's had twin headlights of the same size.

The evo models had a much wider body due to increased track and various suspension mods, the breaks were increased to 4 pots and 5 stud wheel hubs with 15" alloys. Remember back in them rally days the road going cars had to have the same body as the rally cars so ur driving a proper rally replica!

I wish i was brave enough to buy one but who knows i got a few 1000s burning a hole in my pocket so anything can happen.

moz

Full review on the integrale in the first edition of Rapid Cars magazine availiable at selected petrol stations in the uk for FREE. www.rapidcarsltd.co.uk

redevo

Yeah and don't forget the Evo 2 had the small girlie turbo but better seats to support the big wooses that drove them. Also allot of people for some reason though of the 8v Kat cars as the Evo 3 as well. There is only the EVO 1+2 period. If anyone wants to know more about these fantastic cars there's an excellent forum! http://forums.delphiforums.com/evoforum

evomike

I've recently bitten the bullet and bought myself a Nero (black) Evo1 and I have to say so far I don't regret it. It really is the most amazing car. I use it everyday, and yes, it will probably will cost more to run than a Scooby or Mitsi Evo. But on the other hand, I will probably be able to sell it for what I bought it for in 3 years time, which makes running costs far easier to bear.

I say go for it, you won't regret it

Cheers
Mike

PeterSimpson

Hi Craig,

Sorry about the delay in replying, no that wasnt me. I think I know who it was tho. The last time I drove mine on track it was std (ish). Since I have done all the mods, I havent really used it much!

Micky,

Think your questions have been covered by others over the wekend, but I promise you all evo's have the same bodywork. you can be 99% certain that if it has 5 stud wheels and 4 small headlights it is an evo. ( This is slightly complicated by the fact that some final editions for the Japanese market had different sized lights, but you are unlikely to see one of those over here!!

Rgds
Pete

marcevo1

#Power comes in very low down, your looking at 1500rpm if not less#

sounds soooooooooooo tempting..... manchester insurance and points = no go insurance i imagine on a jap import - who do you use for insurance?


one question you may be able to help me with? - the spec c i was looking at didnt have a boot spoiler - is this the norm? looked a real street sleeper!

if anyones interested in evos see attached link -

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/m.fawce...t_of_print.htm

http://forums.delphiforums.com/evoforum - FAQ on the front page

TonyBurns

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Marc,
Is that the one in Just-Sports?
There are 2 versions of the Spec C (excluding the limited which is based on the 17 inch) and thats the 16inch and 17inch versions.
Biggest differences are brakes on the 17 inch, the A-DCCD and spoiler, its a lighter car (16 inch version) though but not by much.
The 17 inch versions are the ones with the boot spoiler
Insurance... im an old git at 35 so i use Liverpool Victoria, considerably cheaper than the likes of tesco/directline and MUCH cheaper than NU.

Tony

TonyBurns

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Oh i should point out that if its is the one in Just-Sports its an MY02 so doesnt have the twin scroll (aboslutely no lag on gear changes )

Tony

Devil Dog

I'm glad you're enjoying the Spec C Tony, stonking car.
I've got a rather nice photograph that would be right on topic if someone knows how to post images. One for both Camps!!

stellaman24

[/QUOTE]i say go for it, you won't regret it

Saw this thread and had to sign up and voice my opinion.

I've wanted a Grale since I was 10 after seeing them being rallied by the likes of Kanks and Auriol. Best sight I've ever seen so I had to buy one and I've not regreted it. The rally cars of today don't even come close. The Subaru and probably the Cosworth came close but having driving driven all of the above and a Mitsi VI theres nothing like the Grale.
It may not have the developed aero-dynamics of the later cars or the better technology but on a twisty road theres not many cars that could keep up with one in, the right hands I might add.
My brother has a WRX and he is beside himself with Jelousy when the cars are side by side. In a straight sprint the Scooby is quicker but get to some bends and I'm past him with a bit of effort and we are both good competent drivers.
You certainly get the WOW factor from the Grale as random people wave, point, shout and come over for a chat.

Regards, Nick

redevo

Your right there mate the Grale is the only car Ive had that's made a bloke in a Ferrari 355 lock up and see him pointing and shouting to his misses Lancia!!! God that put a smile on my face that day. Tony

noble46

Well here comes the shock in that case........Iam only just 20yrs old owned the integrale since I was 19 and other than having to replace an oil cooler and front rad due to some stones holing them (which happens to any car/bike) (+they were replaced under warrenty!!)
nothing has really gone wrong with her! just done a bit of a small tune up and had to replace the bosch std recirc-valve as it was leaking boost and making the "bottle blowing" noise..£22 for that and an 1hr of my own time and its all back together and working better than ever! For the money the integrale and EVO delta's are out of this world power/handling wise...for £4K you will not find an impreza or any other car that comes close! personally I think even in 2nd hand form the integrale 16v's should be going for £8K for the amount of car and history you are buying into.

Tom.