Hadn't read this till now but have to post ...

I used Proboost the first time that I needed booster for a track day, it did the job but was expensive, then I experimented with other boosters and ended up using Millers, its much cheaper and does at least as good a job. Also if you double the quantity you get double the ron increase whereas Proboost has a "top limit" afaik. I run a combination of Broquet and booster all the time now and have done for over 12 months on both cars I have had. I found significant gains to be had from both cars using this combination and mappable engine management.

The claim that Proboost enables max torque at 1500 rpm though, sorry but I had to smile, a UK car has good low torque performance but the turbo will just not spool enough at those revs, even on an engine dyno its not possible to achieve it, and 4 bhp ... thats just measurement error in alot of cases. Curves or not on the road it doesn't work that way.
Having said that its probably worth considering how booster can improve a car running oem management.
If a car is running on the knock sensor with retarded ignition then its clear that increasing ron will allow the ecu to run more advance and therefore you get mpore performance, if a car is NOT running on the knock sensor then booster will make very little difference as NO ignition advance can take place, on a re-mapped engine booster (well Millers at any rate) enables more advance to be mapped in with significant benefits to be had. Booster should help any engine to run more smoothly.

Which ones best ? they all have some benefit, some more than others, I for one always want to use the best whatever that is so if the NF turns out to be that then great and I'll be using it like anyone else ... but I would first want to prove to myself that it is better, not hard to do in my position.

 

The world of octane boosters is certainly becoming a confusing one, especially to the likes of me who don't understand the technicalities and/or chemicals involved.

Unfortunately, the likes of me are also susceptible to influence by claims and boasts made by suppliers. We generally like to get into a car and drive it, without having to know about the likes of octanes and their chemicals. I consistently use Millers. Why? Because everyone tells me to. I have recently bought a couple of bottles of NF, again, because people have been blinded/amazed (delete as applicable) by its splendor and have advised me to do so. (that wasn't a dig at NF, merely an example). Call me stupid, but I really don't have the time to research these items myself. Anyway, why should I have to, I'm the customer for gods sake, why should I do their research at my expense?

There needs to be some form of conclusive proof and evidence to show that product A is better than product B. I believe the manufacturers should be proving, in some way or another, that their products are superior to what's also on the same shelf in the motorist shop. The same goes for the likes of broquet et all.

Ignorantly yours,
Cem

 

I couldn't agree more with you Blow Dog. The makers of these concoctions seem to like misleading their customers by advertising how many 'points' their additive bumps octane ratings. But what is a point? Not a hell of allot.

Generally it takes a much larger quantity of any one additive to have a significant enough impact on the octane rating to get just a whole number or two higher. I'm pretty much firmly in the camp now of considering them all snake oil at this point.

There are less expensive alternatives that actually do something! MTBE, Toluene, Isopropanol, etc.

Of course the question of concern there is what effect these chemicals have on the fuel system. High concentrations of any one of them may not necessarily be good for seals or hoses etc. Wish I knew more . . .

 

Without wishing to keep continually pushing this (much ), NF was tested against Toluene and produced higher Octane levels.

Both were used in the concentration recommended.

 

Craig.
Can you (or any of your other Cronies, Pete not included! ) explain the reasoning for the usage instructions on NF bottles?
We are told to put one complete bottle in and then fill up with petrol. Nothing odd there. However, we are then told to fill back up with petrol when the tank is half full TWICE before adding any more NF.
Now I'm not a rocket scientist, but in my book that would dilute the NF in solution and therefore weaken the octane increase.
I also notice on the literature that using just 1ml per litre (as opposed to the usual 5ml per litre) offers a significant octane increase, one that is in fact proportionally much better value than using the whole bottle.
Comments?

Stef.

 

Well I've read these two pages with a lot of interest and have come to a conclusion. I wont be buying any octane booster.

However...what I'll do is put away the equivalent amount of money I would spend if I used octane booster for a year. Then at the end of the year I'll see what performance mods I can buy for the scoob with the money I have

 

CraigH, forgive my critical nature, but could you clarify 'reccommended levels'?

I'm not doubting it's possible to produce a higher octane than toluene alone (xylene alone does that), but I refuse to accept anything as fact without specific control information to back up the claims.

 

The Toluene was a 20% mix.

It is possible to go to the maximum of 30%, which would be similar to an entire bottle of NF Race.

Stef,

I'd recommend using the 50ml vial per tank for road use and an entire bottle for track use. However, if you want to use an entire bottle for road use, that's fine with me

 

Craig.
I know what you'd recommend, but that doesn't explian the reasoning behind the usage instructions on the bottle.
I agree that using 50ml per tank is the best option on the road, but why doesn't it say that? Why the half-fill malarchy?

Stef.

 

I know that here Super 104+ octane booster runs between $5-$8/pint. I just picked up a gallon of Xylene for $8.59. Super 104+ is pretty weak compared to the claims of NF and only claims 5-7 points treating up to 22 gallons. One gallon of xylene however is worth about double the 104+ increase when blended into a full 15 gallon tank. Obviously Super 104+ is not much of bargain at that price then.

Since I can't seem to find this NF stuff in the USA and haven't the slightest idea what it costs vs. other additives, I am curious about the costs of say the 20% toluene blend vs. NF?

I know that at $8.59/gal for xylene, I overpaid about double what it can be purchased for in bulk. Toulene is priced about the same.

 

after all that i am no wiser .i think i will buy some and make my own mind up
any suppliers in oldham/manchester ?

 

Craig

What did your tests show?

Can we have the full details.

 

Pete,

The tests we have commissioned have not been conducted yet - they will take a few weeks.

We have 3 independant tests awaiting to be done - the 4th you know very well about - and this hasn't been arranged yet.

You will be one of the 1st to know the conclusive results.

As we are the sole European Importer of NF, if you are interested in purchasing any, please call

 

Bob Rawle
Thats pretty good answer on octane boosters except that doubling the amount does not double the does not double the amount of octane number increase. Im glad you made the point about the knock sensor and the engine mangment thing.

 

Blow Dog

How did you find the NF booster which one did you use and at what rate did you use it ???

 

Stef
The answer to your question on how to use the NF is very simple.
Here it is in black and white and hope every one else will also read this.
If you are using the Red Bottle (STREET)
it contains an Injector cleaner,
Combustion chamber cleaner and an intake valve cleaner.
the initial use is around the 20/30000 km mark then about every 10000 k's there after.
So as the instructions say :
Add the bottle to the tank then fill with fuel of your choice.
If you are using 95 octane fuel this will lift the octane to 98 octane (3ron)
or 30 POINTS.
if using 97 octane then increase is approx
2 /2.25 ron 20 to 25 POINTS.
NOW the reason that you now let the tank go down to half and refill is to prolong the life of the cleaners in the tank ETC and still give you some protection (octane) and give you extra value for money.

When using the Race (BLACK) as the instructions say on the bottle its your choice BUT UP TO 5 mls per litre
I would suggest 1 ml per litre for every day use and on the track maybe 3 mls per litre if you are using above 22 lbs boost then go to the 5 mls per litre to use this rate you should have around 400 to 500 bhp.
As it has already be mentioned how octane works and the instructions 5 ml may be toooooo much if you can find a better way to see what suits your engine BEST!!!, love to hear it.

 

Rsawdnut
A bottle of the SUPER STREET (YELLOW) (NF)has the same effect as 20 litres of tolulene in an STI scooby.
Its a BLOODY lot safer than Toluene as its NON_FLAMMABLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!! and the other nasties :-))
30% toluene is the same as 3 mls per litre of the Racing Formula.
Its a lot easier to keep a bottle of RACE (NF)in your glove box than 30 LITRES OF TOLUENE ???

 

Nitro.
Thanks for replying. However, it's still not clear.
I understand that by adding a full bottle of STREET to a full tank of petrol is intended to increase the octane rating by 2 ron if used with 97ron fuel. What I don't understand is how this increase is maintained if you then dilute the solution after just 1/2 tank? Are you saying that it's only supposed to give a 2ron increase on the first 1/2 tank????
And as for the RACE formula, the instrcutions are exactly the same. Nowhere does it mention that you should use 1ml per litre for an octane increase, except for bikes, two strokes and jet-ski's. It also says use 1-1.5 ml per litre as a leaded fuel supplement.
The exact words on the bottle are..

"For high compression and performance engines add up to 5mls per litre prior to filling. Once tank reaches half, refill 1 to 2 times before reapplying NF".

If the instructions on the bottle are followed though the ron rating will go up and down with every tank of fuel!
For example...
First application add full bottle - 102RON?
When 1/2 full, refill - RON reduced.
When 1/2 full again, refill - RON reduced. further.
Add full bottle - RON increased.
I would certainly look at the usage instructions on the bottle with a view to making them a bit clearer.
You've explained (as does your leaflet) that 1ml per litre will offer a decent increase in RON anyway, and is probably sufficient for road use.
Thing is, I'm still waiting for my little measuring thingy from Craig!!!

Stef.

 

Stef,

I can only apologise for the incompetence of my colleagues , who should have supplied you with a vial.

I will bring some with me on friday

 

Stef
Thanks Stef, to me it makes sense and is very clear but I take your point.Just for you (Mr Stef) :-))) I will change the label.

Hmmm will have to think on it :-))

In ALL my answers the octane that I state is very very VERY conservative.

For yours and others information ALL NITROUS FORMULA octane gains are based on 60litres of 92 octane fuel!!!!!!!

The Red bottle.
Yes that's correct for the first half tank.
The first REFILL will give you approx 1.3 octane increase.
Second REFILL will give approx .85 increase
Third REFILL about 0.5 octane increase and in fact you may not even feel anything beneficial in performance but will still be cleaning inside the combustion chamber.

The Red PANEL (VSP) on the RACE is achieved as per label of 1 to 1.5 mls per litre.
Easy highway driving and a SMALL cam shaft 1 ml per litre. BIGGER cam and high speed or high temps then go 1.5 mls per litre.
Any questions there ????This will give you VALVE SEAT PROTECTION.

The last part of your reply!!!!regarding high compression and high performance engines then I would do exactly as the label instructs and as you quoted.Each time you refill the octane becomes less this is CORRECT!!!!!
IT will also indicate ????? many mls your engine REALLY REQUIRES.Generally 5 mls is toooo much unless you are racing YOU have to find out what suits YOUR engine as each one is different.REMEMBER THIS you will NEVER hurt your engine with TOOOOO much octane only the PERFORMANCE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope this is now more clearer to you and others and if you have any other questions post them so I can answer them for you.

I set out to make this the BEST octane booster available in the WORLD bar NONE!!!!!
and give YOU the BEST VALUE for MONEY !!!!!

 

Craig.
I look forward to getting my vial.

Nitrous.
A bit clearer. I still don't understand why anyone would want their octane rating to fluctuate that much though. Oh well.
I look forward to seeing the revised label with what mls to use for what purpose.

Stef.

 

Stef
All i can say now is!!!!
If you already know how many mls to use of NF then you are a better man than i am and you are in the wrong buisness.
Like i have said now many many times Because NF is so strong a lot of Customers actually go back to the SPORT FORMULA with MUCH MUCH better results.
You have to do your HOME WORK on how much NF to USE.
I can give you another way to use it;That is:
Start with 1 ml per litre
Its at this point for arguments sake that you may be on the RACE track or where ever and ???? blow your engine ???or damage it!!
Reason engine detonating! NEEDED more octane!
2 ml per lt may go much better. Safe level
3 ml per lt may go even better again.
4 mls per litre hmmm seems a bit doughy and not as crisp
YOU have now found that 2 / 3 mls is what you engine really needs.

 

Cool.
That's what goes on the label then.

Stef.

 

Stef
Thanks to you and others the label now has the following. :-)
"For general road use add 1 ml per litre."

For high performance engines, etc etc etc up to the NF logo now continues with
"to determin the amount of octane your engine requires"