trollhunter

Cat got yer tongue ????

trollhunter

If so i bet its the only ***** youve had near your (prob. spotty) face this xmas !!!
Dude

ScoobyJawa

LOL

dangerous brain

Is this gimp really trying to say that it doesn't actually matter how the car itself drives or looks, that so long as on paper one car is better than the other then its the car to have? Does he even have a driving license?

sheeprus

Mr Trollhunter - methinks the spotty oik has done a runner with hsi tail between his legs!

trollhunter

Dont mock him he gone to get the OXY 10 to sort out his complexion then hell be back to amaze us with tales of daring do in his wait for it MK3 supra !!!!! , secretly i bet he sits in his bedroom at night having a drodgel over pics of MK4 sups whilst listening for his mum coming upstairs !!! he'l be easy to spot at a meeting he'l be the only 8 second MK3 owner with his right ear twice the size of his left (from all the listening )

Dude

[Edited by trollhunter - 12/28/2003 7:00:28 PM]

sheeprus

I have to admit to feeling a certain amount of sympathy with the young man. He sounds like my son when he tells me of his plans for a Supra and how fast he will go and tries to dazzle me with his knowledge. Mind you, as he is only 8, I tend to display the same patronising, condescending demeanour to him that I feel for this poor deluded little man.

Cosworth427

I'm not entitled to take 20 minutes out to have dinner...

Thread baiting and name calling does not win debates, unless it is about stupidity, trollhunter.

Standard fuel pressure on a Supra is around 35 - 40 PSI when pushing at maximum standard boost. The horsepower at this level of boost would be 280 HP peak, or lets use the assumption that it makes 310 HP to please the J-spec massive.

Now 66 litres per hour from the pump will only supply enough fuel for a peak HP of around 200 HP. (If you know how to convert litres per hour to CC per minute over 6 cylinders, then you'll know.) It doesnt matter if you use 440 CC, 550 CC or 1000 CC injectors - there simply is not enough fuel supplied to the 6 injectors for over 200 HP at that kind of fuel pressure.

The TDI graph Branners posted (not me) was some kind of "evidence" that the J-spec pump was different and inferior to the UK/US pump. This so called evidence PROVES to me that the graph is misleading and misrepesenting Supra RZ J-spec pump (if it is from the RZ model) because *according* to the graph it cant even flow enough for STANDARD power let alone for over 400 HP!

I'm sorry trollop, Branners & company - I enjoyed toying with you these past few days but I think that you have finally guessed that the graph isn't valid proof at all!

That was easy.

trollhunter

He just doesnt get it does he !!!!!!!

trollhunter

Wrong dipstick, static fuel pressure on a MK4 (not that you would know)is 36 psi and it rises per psi of boost , so youve contradicted yourself again by asking me the relevance of fuel flow at 3 bar of pressure when comparing fuel pumps !!!!!!

Dude

keep digging little boy

trollhunter

Must be having dinner again !!!!!! so hes a fat little no nothing sh***e !!!!!

Dude

Scott W

So if name calling does not win debates, can you answer why you resorted to these various comments during some of your previous posts?

Cosworth427

Per PSI of ADDITIONAL BOOST over STANDARD maximum.

trollhunter = clueless, need I say more?

dangerous brain

Oh ***** to this can someone bring a UK standard motor and I know there will be a 98-99 j-spec at the meet in southampton on the 11th January. Cosworth you are welcome to bring any rusty pile o cack u want and we shall see who is talking how much sh*te. The old adage seeing is beleiving might not be enough for you though.

If another kind individual could bring their mitsi evo 6 with them that would then answer MR RLE's questions for him assuming he can make it from Bradford. And we can put an end to this psi injectin pumpin rollox for good.

ScoobyJawa

LOL @ Scott and his post time next to Cockworth's - A point proved I think, since he ignored it Notice how ignores things he doesn't want to know?

Yet again another example of facts posted you will not believe unless you have posted them

[Edited by ScoobyJawa - 12/29/2003 1:34:13 AM]

ScoobyJawa

So why would Toyota write a map (ecu/fuel or otherwise) that provides fuel pressure boost over that (power/fuel/boost whatever you want to call it) of which they have intended?
(go on, surprise me by telling me toyota knew owners would increase boost pressure so accounted for it - as all other manufacturers do )

oops!

[Edited by ScoobyJawa - 12/29/2003 1:35:39 AM]

foodfreak

back to the question asked by RLE

I own both 94'UK spec auto & a 99'J-spec Manual Supras.........

The later car is much more nimble, & has a better response,
but a decent 98+ car is not going to be cheap
forget all the waffle from silly B*ll*cks 427
Talk to Leon @JPS
regards,
John
ps. you can see pics of my car on Mkivsupra.net or showoffyourcar.com

Cosworth427

The fuel pressure in any fuel injected car usually starts around 22 PSI over manifold pressure. It just depends on the injector size. 440 cc is rather a large injector and with 6 of them in hand, fuel pressure is usually set as low as 22 PSI over what is on the intake manifold. Smaller injectors on other cars would use more base fuel pressure (for instance 28 PSI).

The J-spec intake boost is around 11.5 PSI, 22 PSI base fuel pressure + 11.5 PSI boost = 33.5 PSI. The fuel pressure will raise with any additional boost ABOVE 11.5 PSI, just like in my MK3 Supra, just like in any MR2 Turbo, just like any turbo charged fuel injected car.

Scott W

Neil, I think you are right as he's posted twice now and ignored my question on both counts!

ScoobyJawa

LOL @ Scott eh?

Shall I post the pic of the UK pump next to the JSpec pump? Although, tbh theres no point, since it won't posted by him he'll not believe it and say its a 2CV pump or something

ScoobyJawa

And again notice how he's conveniently ignored the post from Foodfreak who owns both cars.......

Oh and MonkeyMarks factual 1/4 times for UK's and JSpecs for that matter..........

[Edited by ScoobyJawa - 12/29/2003 1:53:45 PM]

Cosworth427

Notice how no one here can answer for the insufficient fuel flow on the so called "J-spec" pump at manufacturer nominal fuel pressure levels.

Notice how no one here can answer for the fact that the trap speed for the J-spec at the end of the 1/4 mile is a solid 5 MPH less than the Euro/US spec. Which easily proves the the disparity between power!

Don't anyone say gearing, because we already covered that and they have the same damn ratios.


I *notice* how more and more "newbies" with no more than 3 posts to his/her name are popping out of the woodwork to support existing member's weak assumption based arguements on this thread.

I *notice* how weak everyone else's arguement is becoming the further we go into this thread.

Follow trollhunters advise - give up folks.

mcanny

"Don't anyone say gearing, because we already covered that and they have the same damn ratios"


Remember the bit about the diff?

mcanny

Where is your evidence of this? Have you posted any figures to prove this or are we relying on your ability to piece together snippets of gossip again rather than looking at the real life figures I posted a link to in an earlier reply?

As I've said already I have a UK spec, it did a 1/4 mile in 13.87 when totally standard, J-Spec cars that were there at the time did the same kind of times - I'd rather be here supporting your theory that the UK spec is faster given all the banter we have on the Supra forums but it's simply not true.

If anyone needs to give up sir I'd say it was you, and before you start kicking up a fuss because of my low post count maybe you should consider that the majority of us spend all day on Supra sites talking about Supras rather than making up theories and pretending to be an expert on a car we have never driven

ScoobyJawa

And he still ignored your question scott, even when quoting you

Says who? Oh yeah - you Because again you've ignored the REAL WORLD times posted by MonkeyMark, which shows there is no difference at all between Jspec/UK 1/4 mile times.

Newbies does not indicate lack of knowledge. As most of the "newbies" are MKIV owners its irrelevant they have less posts than you a MKIII owner.

Yeah - yours. Have you not noticed throughout this ENTIRE thread, not even 1 person is agreeing with you...........

foodfreak

I came on here to give an informed opinion to RLE.
Most of us 'Newbies' from Supranet have owned Supras AND modified Supras for a very long time.

we 'KNOW' what works aand what dosn't without things going bang.
When you disregard opinions from the likes of Chris Wilson & Leon Green, all you do is confirm that you're a complete ****.

RLE, Come over to us to find some proper info

trollhunter

So Mr Custard 427
You asked why i quoted flow rates at 3 bar fuel pressure heres why , static presure is 36 psi , stock boost is approx 10-11 psi so we are talking max 3.5 bar yet you want people to look at the reading where akll the pumps work the same 6 bar , dontunderstand your reasoning but it would add up to why your own forum says you are an **** , im selling me MK4's anfd getting me a MK3 and some of them Billy Bob teeth so i fit in here !!!!

Dude

[Edited by trollhunter - 12/29/2003 8:07:06 PM]

trollhunter

'pretending to be an expert on a car we have never driven '



But wish we could afford !!!!!

Dude

dangerous brain

Direct to RLE there is now an EVO 6 coming to the meeting in Southampton on the 11th Jan Cross ref this link to the Supra forums for details. Wont bother suggesting dumbass an his pump theory has a look as thats the forum site that all his scoobie newbies are from.
http://65.54.174.250/cgi-bin/linkrd?_lang=EN&lah=044e3e9e1460476e6618c952a3b60e 9c&lat=1072738676&hm___action=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2em kivsupra%2enet%2fvbb%2fshowthread%2ephp%3fthreadid %3d14888%26goto%3dnewpost
Dunno if any of them are UK motors but as you want a post 98 car thats a bit irrelevant to this thread anyway just like most of cos's twaddle. Timwildmans car is deffers a post 98 car as I know the guy and as far as I know its pretty much standard.

Cosworth427

lolololol @ "static presure"

36 PSI is the MAXIMUM fuel pressure on the Supra when you reach 11.5 PSI of TURBOCHARGED boost. This is around 2.5 BAR.

According to that TDI graph, the "J-spec" pump @ 2.5 BAR is around 75 litres per hour. @ 3 BAR it flows 66 litres per hour.

Now...if that TDI graph is some kind of valid proof that "J-spec" pumps are inferior, then why is it that at 36 PSI fuel pressure, the pump cannot flow enough fuel for 280 HP - which is the rated maximum power by the manufacturer?? Yet!...you people seem to dream up the idea that it makes more than 300!

So where *is* the fuel flow for that rated power??? Answer me n00bs, get your heros Chris Wilson & Leon whatever-his-name is to help if you like!