are uk turbos really this bad?
09 December 2003, 04:50 PM
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MY97 - in 25k miles since I bought it - 2 sets goodyear eagle F1s and 2 sets brake pads + normal servicing. 'Other car' does family long journeys. Scooby does back roads to work and Scooby meet etc 
Brilliant car I absolutely love it
Having said that I also would love a P1 / STi / WRX etc
AND - more power = better
Mick
Brilliant car I absolutely love it
Having said that I also would love a P1 / STi / WRX etc
AND - more power = better
Mick
09 December 2003, 05:02 PM
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Diablo
Not worried about all the other rubbish on this thread but interested abouy MY00 being the worst of the bunch, I am starting to get worried now. Owned mine for 3 years and hope nothing is about to go wrong. could you possibly expand for me,
PS not being sarcastic generally interested
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Not worried about all the other rubbish on this thread but interested abouy MY00 being the worst of the bunch, I am starting to get worried now. Owned mine for 3 years and hope nothing is about to go wrong. could you possibly expand for me,
PS not being sarcastic generally interested
Cheers
09 December 2003, 05:05 PM
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SiPie,
you too will have low running costs one day
about another 40 years , when you suffer ***** drip if you risk getting excited. I would hope by this time you have the sense and decency to own a volvo.
I have a uk . they are still good cars but starting again I would get an import and get to keep the decent bits that subaru UK removed to keep the old farts happy
. mind you the bright switch is braw 
you too will have low running costs one day
about another 40 years , when you suffer ***** drip if you risk getting excited. I would hope by this time you have the sense and decency to own a volvo.
I have a uk . they are still good cars but starting again I would get an import and get to keep the decent bits that subaru UK removed to keep the old farts happy
. mind you the bright switch is braw
09 December 2003, 05:13 PM
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John, sorry, was a little tounge in cheek 
MY00 probably most reliable of all the classics.
Unfortunately, its generally accepted that the ECU map (tweaked to enhance further reliability) results in a more hesitant and, in many cases, slightly slower car than those that went before. (Early MY00 cars may have the older ECU)
Quite a few have had poor dyno results in comparison, and a few of the mags test data showed the last of the bunch to be a little less lively than the MY99 cars and earlier.
Of course someone will publish dyno/rr results showing the opposite, but on average there appears to be a difference.
Its an easy swap, just get hold of an earlier ECU and plug it in - a few have been very pleased with the change.
In the context of my post, I was implying that as Pete's car may not be just quite as quck as, say, an earlier impreza he may not be suffereing the same wear and tear/issues
Nothing sinsister, sorry to worry you
have a look in drivetrain - there were some posts recently.
the cynic in me says that IM produced less lively MY00 cars to make the performance drop that was the MY01 less obvious
Of course thats just my opinion.
D
MY00 probably most reliable of all the classics.
Unfortunately, its generally accepted that the ECU map (tweaked to enhance further reliability) results in a more hesitant and, in many cases, slightly slower car than those that went before. (Early MY00 cars may have the older ECU)
Quite a few have had poor dyno results in comparison, and a few of the mags test data showed the last of the bunch to be a little less lively than the MY99 cars and earlier.
Of course someone will publish dyno/rr results showing the opposite, but on average there appears to be a difference.
Its an easy swap, just get hold of an earlier ECU and plug it in - a few have been very pleased with the change.
In the context of my post, I was implying that as Pete's car may not be just quite as quck as, say, an earlier impreza he may not be suffereing the same wear and tear/issues
Nothing sinsister, sorry to worry you
have a look in drivetrain - there were some posts recently.
the cynic in me says that IM produced less lively MY00 cars to make the performance drop that was the MY01 less obvious
Of course thats just my opinion.
D
09 December 2003, 05:18 PM
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The MY00 is THE classic to have - Diablo is just jealous cos he can't afford one and has got thrown off the moderators club!!
It certainly has more style and power than, say a 98 model - it had all the things the early ones should have had.
The FUGLY came next - unsaleable!
Then the next generation, soft looking and for the poofs IMHO
The MY00 is where its at, its why you can't get a MY00 for cheaper than a MY02, its a classic in the making and has NO faults whatsoever - save the hesitation and clutch judder when cold!
Hesitation is solved by use of Sainsburys Super - clutch is sorted by slipping it on high revs one morning out of 20!
Pete
It certainly has more style and power than, say a 98 model - it had all the things the early ones should have had.
The FUGLY came next - unsaleable!
Then the next generation, soft looking and for the poofs IMHO
The MY00 is where its at, its why you can't get a MY00 for cheaper than a MY02, its a classic in the making and has NO faults whatsoever - save the hesitation and clutch judder when cold!
Hesitation is solved by use of Sainsburys Super - clutch is sorted by slipping it on high revs one morning out of 20!
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09 December 2003, 05:21 PM
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Cheers Diablo
Will look up the mentioned threads.
I have a late MY00 and purchased through Holland (been told as right hand drive ordered they were almost made to measure) Am booked into the PE ECU remap and hope that this will give a little more pickup mid range, not fussed on top end.
Thanks for the post, noticed that the season of good will is missing in many posts at the moment
Will look up the mentioned threads.
I have a late MY00 and purchased through Holland (been told as right hand drive ordered they were almost made to measure) Am booked into the PE ECU remap and hope that this will give a little more pickup mid range, not fussed on top end.
Thanks for the post, noticed that the season of good will is missing in many posts at the moment
09 December 2003, 05:42 PM
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P1 in 2.5 years from new, problems:
New battery-warranty
Crunch now and again in first. Assume the warranty will cover that too.
New battery-warranty
Crunch now and again in first. Assume the warranty will cover that too.
09 December 2003, 06:32 PM
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BLOODY HELL!! just got in from work and see this many replies!
think you guys have answered my original question quite thoroughly!!
i love my scoob and the one i had before it, all the turbos in all their guises, my previous was a series mcrae so i left it totally standard to preserve the originality while i'm gradually spending every penny i own on my current one. i've drawn different enjoyment from both and would think i would enjoy the car no matter what type it was!
think you guys have answered my original question quite thoroughly!!
i love my scoob and the one i had before it, all the turbos in all their guises, my previous was a series mcrae so i left it totally standard to preserve the originality while i'm gradually spending every penny i own on my current one. i've drawn different enjoyment from both and would think i would enjoy the car no matter what type it was!
09 December 2003, 07:44 PM
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Mr PSLEWIS is so right! have you ever seen anything as beautiful as this??
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I'll answer any thread to show my car!!!
P.S. Photobucket's off line at the min!!
[Edited by misty - 12/9/2003 7:46:24 PM]
[Edited by misty - 12/9/2003 7:52:04 PM]
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[Edited by misty - 12/9/2003 7:52:04 PM]
09 December 2003, 07:54 PM
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One little fly in the ointment of the JDM guys...
In the UK on (the best possible) UK fuel, the JDM has about the same power as the UK as it has to introduce massive amounts of retard just to stop the engine from popping. So, as standard, performance-wise the cars are very very similar, it's just that the UK will have far more in reserve if the fuel's even more cack than usual
The moment that you start talking about modded cars, you've rather moved the goalposts. The UK car has heavier internals, yes, but seeming that max power (if that's what you're after) with the scoob engine occurs typically below even the UK's maximum RPM, the only difference here is that you're going to stress the UK engine more long-term.
I'm not at all convinced about the gearbox stuff - apparently, the JDMs are tougher, but they seem to go wrong more often, along with the clutches... but this, I suspect, is far more dependant on the driver (& how they play) than on the car anyway. So, not sure if that's valid either?
In the UK on (the best possible) UK fuel, the JDM has about the same power as the UK as it has to introduce massive amounts of retard just to stop the engine from popping. So, as standard, performance-wise the cars are very very similar, it's just that the UK will have far more in reserve if the fuel's even more cack than usual
The moment that you start talking about modded cars, you've rather moved the goalposts. The UK car has heavier internals, yes, but seeming that max power (if that's what you're after) with the scoob engine occurs typically below even the UK's maximum RPM, the only difference here is that you're going to stress the UK engine more long-term.
I'm not at all convinced about the gearbox stuff - apparently, the JDMs are tougher, but they seem to go wrong more often, along with the clutches... but this, I suspect, is far more dependant on the driver (& how they play
) than on the car anyway. So, not sure if that's valid either?
09 December 2003, 08:07 PM
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*cough* bollock$ *cough*
On regular 97 Ron, my decatted and induction kitted Sti4 (no other mods) made 313 bhp on PE's somewhat optimistic rollers, probably circa 300bhp in real terms, so would probably have done about, say, 30bhp max less than that without the mods. Show me a standard UK that will make 270bhp on 97 ron!
The ONLY JDM cars that make UK outputs standard, on UK fuel, as far as I am aware, are the very early 240bhp WRXs. I wait to be proved wrong.
On regular 97 Ron, my decatted and induction kitted Sti4 (no other mods) made 313 bhp on PE's somewhat optimistic rollers, probably circa 300bhp in real terms, so would probably have done about, say, 30bhp max less than that without the mods. Show me a standard UK that will make 270bhp on 97 ron!
The ONLY JDM cars that make UK outputs standard, on UK fuel, as far as I am aware, are the very early 240bhp WRXs. I wait to be proved wrong.
09 December 2003, 08:13 PM
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Tractor, you seem to have failed to realise the thread has now changed to which my/00 is going to be THE classic to own!! arf! arf! arf!
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One little fly in the ointment of the JDM guys...
In the UK on (the best possible) UK fuel, the JDM has about the same power as the UK as it has to introduce massive amounts of retard just to stop the engine from popping. So, as standard, performance-wise the cars are very very similar,
In the UK on (the best possible) UK fuel, the JDM has about the same power as the UK as it has to introduce massive amounts of retard just to stop the engine from popping. So, as standard, performance-wise the cars are very very similar,
it's just that the UK will have far more in reserve if the fuel's even more cack than usual
I'm not at all convinced about the gearbox stuff - apparently, the JDMs are tougher,
but they seem to go wrong more often, along with the clutches... but this, I suspect, is far more dependant on the driver (& how they play ) than on the car anyway. So, not sure if that's valid either?
09 December 2003, 08:41 PM
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Gearbox stuff is wayyy too variable to give any conclusions, I think. Overall, the JDM 'box might be better, but I still think it's almost solely dependant on the driver.
My MY00: was decat, K&N cone (would have been SUL), boggo aside from that made 265 fly in May (warmish day) at PE. RR numbers mean nothing. I could have probably pushed it higher by simply pupming the tyres up a little more. Stick on a TD05 equipped UK (earlier) & it would eclipse that, given it was in proper working condition.
If you're going to be 'on paper', the JDM will be better. If you're going to measure 'real world', it would so much depend on the driver it's not worth making a difference (down to the same driver not getting the gearchange quite right).
However, if I was going for a mod-monster, I'd start with a JDM engine (and not use it even on SUL until I'd remapped the ECU )
My MY00: was decat, K&N cone (would have been SUL), boggo aside from that made 265 fly in May (warmish day) at PE. RR numbers mean nothing. I could have probably pushed it higher by simply pupming the tyres up a little more. Stick on a TD05 equipped UK (earlier) & it would eclipse that, given it was in proper working condition.
If you're going to be 'on paper', the JDM will be better. If you're going to measure 'real world', it would so much depend on the driver it's not worth making a difference (down to the same driver not getting the gearchange quite right).
However, if I was going for a mod-monster, I'd start with a JDM engine
(and not use it even on SUL until I'd remapped the ECU )
09 December 2003, 09:17 PM
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LOL @ this thread.
I am happy to be driving a genuine 300BHP, FSH in the UK, Imported with Zero miles, incredible handling (probably one of the best in the UK), incredible braking, incredible accelerating, climate control equiped Impreza.
Did i mention it is a JDM?
I test drove a few UK turbo's before buying my STi5 TypeRA Limited, and i found them too slow, for me. It didnt seem worth the extra costs over keeping my Sport, i am serious. I almost bought an MY99PPP, but am so glad i didnt, my JDM spec car is in a diferent league performance wise.
All Impreza's are brilliant, some more brilliant than others.
I am happy to be driving a genuine 300BHP, FSH in the UK, Imported with Zero miles, incredible handling (probably one of the best in the UK), incredible braking, incredible accelerating, climate control equiped Impreza.
Did i mention it is a JDM?
I test drove a few UK turbo's before buying my STi5 TypeRA Limited, and i found them too slow, for me. It didnt seem worth the extra costs over keeping my Sport, i am serious. I almost bought an MY99PPP, but am so glad i didnt, my JDM spec car is in a diferent league performance wise.
All Impreza's are brilliant, some more brilliant than others.
09 December 2003, 09:32 PM
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One bite and it crumbles!!
Imports are all very well for a certain person, who can't afford a proper UK car - BUT they come with NO history, NO pedigree and need Aircraft Quality Fuel to even come close to their claimed BHP's
As has been said, pop a tank of 95RON through them and they cough and splutter and pop and bang .......... whilst the proper Impreza's - those made for and designed for the UK zoom past in a class and style a plasticky, tacky, import cannot hope to match!
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One bite and it crumbles!!
Imports are all very well for a certain person, who can't afford a proper UK car - BUT they come with NO history, NO pedigree and need Aircraft Quality Fuel to even come close to their claimed BHP's
As has been said, pop a tank of 95RON through them and they cough and splutter and pop and bang .......... whilst the proper Impreza's - those made for and designed for the UK zoom past in a class and style a plasticky, tacky, import cannot hope to match!
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09 December 2003, 09:48 PM
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Yeah, particularly the STi5 TypeRA Limited
(that's cheating, btw! )
(that's cheating, btw! )
Then again, Tur-bo-two-thou-sand-a-w-d. Maybe it'll be eight...
09 December 2003, 09:56 PM
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BUT they come with NO history, NO pedigree and need Aircraft Quality Fuel to even come close to their claimed BHP's
As to no Pedigree, PMSL.
09 December 2003, 10:03 PM
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So it was imported from Japan NEW?
In that case it has pedigree, but its STILL not a proper UK Impreza is it? Which UK main dealer has serviced it?
Sadly:-
It will always be known as a grey import with the resultant horrendous drop in values associated with greys .... never mind, if you like it its fine - tacky JDM's are just not my cup of tea.
I like to be secure in the knowledge that I can get parts, proper UK servicing and reasonable residuals - oh, yes, and reliability!!
In that case it has pedigree, but its STILL not a proper UK Impreza is it? Which UK main dealer has serviced it?
Sadly:-
It will always be known as a grey import with the resultant horrendous drop in values associated with greys .... never mind, if you like it its fine - tacky JDM's are just not my cup of tea.
I like to be secure in the knowledge that I can get parts, proper UK servicing and reasonable residuals - oh, yes, and reliability!!
09 December 2003, 10:15 PM
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I dont care if its "known" as a grey import pete. As to value, it's worth more than a UK spec Impreza of the same year and condition. But so what, who cares.
I wanted an Impreza that suited my usage, and this particular car is the best available for me.
It doesnt have UK dealer history, i use Subaru specialists who know what they are doing. Parts have never been an issue, most are sourced via the UK dealer network, Prodrive or direct from Japan in a matter of days, quite often faster than a UK dealer can supply.
I wanted an Impreza that suited my usage, and this particular car is the best available for me.
It doesnt have UK dealer history, i use Subaru specialists who know what they are doing.
Parts have never been an issue, most are sourced via the UK dealer network, Prodrive or direct from Japan in a matter of days, quite often faster than a UK dealer can supply.
09 December 2003, 10:30 PM
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John:-
As to value, it's worth more than a UK spec Impreza of the same year and condition.
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Without a proper Subaru UK Service History and being a Grey? I rather think you are deluding yourself .... however, if it saved you a bob or two and the residuals don't worry you then its all ok isn't it?
Just telling it as I see it!
pete
As to value, it's worth more than a UK spec Impreza of the same year and condition.
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Without a proper Subaru UK Service History and being a Grey? I rather think you are deluding yourself .... however, if it saved you a bob or two and the residuals don't worry you then its all ok isn't it?
Just telling it as I see it!
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09 December 2003, 10:59 PM
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Pete, whilst I admire a good troll, if you're not going to get your fact even vaaaaaugely correct, you will continue to reveal the more senile side of your nature (constantly repeating yourself, a stubborn belief that you are right regardless of evidence to the contrary.....)
Excluding the RB5 and P1 (which is a JDM in disguise, but 'boringified' for the UK market), please find me ANY year of UK car where ANY JDM, be it a WRX or Sti, is worth less? OK, apart from the ultra rare autos......lol. I think you'll find they are either equal in value, or in the case of the Stis (the only 'proper' Impreza) rather more expensive. The last model Sti Type Rs can still change hands for over 16k. Your stuttering MY00 labrador-wagon worth anything like that? Methinks not!
By the way, I love the UK cars, especially the later ones which got the brakes, interior and looks which the Japs had had for years!
Excluding the RB5 and P1 (which is a JDM in disguise, but 'boringified' for the UK market), please find me ANY year of UK car where ANY JDM, be it a WRX or Sti, is worth less? OK, apart from the ultra rare autos......lol. I think you'll find they are either equal in value, or in the case of the Stis (the only 'proper' Impreza
) rather more expensive. The last model Sti Type Rs can still change hands for over 16k. Your stuttering MY00 labrador-wagon worth anything like that? Methinks not!By the way, I love the UK cars, especially the later ones which got the brakes, interior and looks which the Japs had had for years!