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Old 14 November 2003, 01:56 PM
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As I said before if you deal with them cruelly, it's you that will face prosecution.

Its people like you that bring their kids up to think its ok to be cruel to an animal. Well done!
Firstly, who said anything about cruelty?

Secondly, you don't want the cats to be dealt with? - then keep them from damaging my property. I would rather not ahve to go to the trouble.

Thirdly, I don't have kids, but if/when I do I will bring them up to protect their property and stand up to selfish people.


Anything else you would like to dictate to me apart from:-

1) I must have faeces on my garden and like it
2) I must bring up my children to have faeces on the garden and like it

anything else?
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Old 14 November 2003, 01:56 PM
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Astroturf on the bed then ?
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Old 14 November 2003, 01:56 PM
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What about pitting a litter tray on the bed. If the cat uses it then slowly move it each day.
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Old 14 November 2003, 02:00 PM
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Know it could be a chore, but how about covering the bed with a large piece of industrial polythene?
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Old 14 November 2003, 02:01 PM
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Sqabbling aside chaps, the best way to stop little kittie from peeing on your bed is not to rub its face in it, this doesn't deter the cat and makes it uncomfortable with you. What you need to do is wipe up the pee with a slightly damp tissue or old cloth and take tissue and kitten to the litter tray and place both inside. Make sure the cat stays there long enough to make the connection (i.e not wander off). You will have to do this every time it pees somewhere other than the litter tray as repetition is the only way it'll learn. Scaring it will not help as it makes the cat confused and nervous and more likely to pee again (revenge peeing). Neutering helps greatly especially with male cats (a female in season is not pretty either especilally when it drags its genitals across your sofa) and rewarding the cat helps too. Keep little treats by the litter tray so if you see the cat pee there you can instantly reward it. My cat use to have a fetish for peeing in corners and under beds but now uses the litter tray (and the neighbours gardens) successfully.
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Old 14 November 2003, 02:01 PM
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The fact that this needs to be said says a lot for the MORONIC cat haters.

Cats cannot be trained. End of.

So for all you MORONS out there.

What would you do if cats were wild, like foxes or badgers? Would you advocate hating or killing them then? Or is it the fact that some people chose to have (not own mind) them as pets that you MORONS cant hack?

People like cats for their independance and its taken that they are pretty much wild animals that go on instinct. They cannot be trained to carry newspapers or slippers. They cannot be trained to **** their legs against lamp posts or ****e in grassy areas quarter a mile a way.

They have been here since the Roman times so Its not the cats fault that people now live in silly central heated little boxes with silly little gardens containing silly little flower beds that cats just happen to find attractive for ****tin in.

That is life MORONS. Some people, especially the elderly and infirm love cats as pets and companions. They cannot look after or walk a dog easily, they dont get out much and cats make great pets in this case.

I'll say it again, cat haters = MORONS.
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Old 14 November 2003, 02:02 PM
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I'll try a decent answer:

It's not easy to judge from here, but normally once a cat has learned to use the kitty litter, it will continue to do so. Some however have problems with being "house trained" and will sadly never learn so.

Some do it on occasion to protest (we have one that craps in the shower every 12 months or so, his mum did the same, genetical apparently).

Try to get the litter tray back, keep an eye on her, and move here to it every time she starts to give signs. Keep her indoor for a while, and get her used to doing it "indoors".

There is a herb, forgot the name, will look it up, that sometimes works. Hold on.
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Old 14 November 2003, 02:03 PM
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gtr_man it is not necessary to revert to such insults!!





[Edited by Redkop - 11/14/2003 2:11:58 PM]
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Old 14 November 2003, 02:05 PM
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Got it:

It contains cherry plum, clematis, rock rose, impatiens, star of bethlehem. It's called 5 Flower Remedy.

4 x 4 drops per day in her beak or 10 drops a day in her water bowl.

It "calms down" cats in a natural way, takes away anxiety and sometimes helps against the problem you mentioned. No side effects.

HTH
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Old 14 November 2003, 02:06 PM
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Oh dear gtr_boy, resorting to personal insults now, how sad.

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Old 14 November 2003, 02:07 PM
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EvilB - a bit of antifreeze in the mix does the trick (apparently)
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Old 14 November 2003, 02:09 PM
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Jye - tbh i think you are the cat lovers worst enemy . I was quite sympathetic towards them until you got underway with your ranting.

Now, must go and remove that pesky fur from the tread of my goodyears...
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Old 14 November 2003, 02:11 PM
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Not me who's ranting m8. Perhaps look at your last few posts.

Yeah pick the fur off your tires m8. Long as I dont ever see you harming an animal then feel free to talk sh*te. Moron.
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Old 14 November 2003, 02:12 PM
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Oh and heres a smiley for ye

makes it so much better eh?
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Old 14 November 2003, 02:14 PM
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OK you two - lets get back on the subject - I f*&king hate cats.

Why? Well see CLICK HERE


[Edited by Redkop - 11/14/2003 2:24:45 PM]
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Old 14 November 2003, 02:15 PM
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Catnip (the raw stuff, not the crap treats) is feckin ace for getting your cat going mental. Try putting a pile in the middle of the kitchen floor and watch your cat plunge his head in the centre and rotate round it with his ****, clock fashion while getting high. Very funny
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Old 14 November 2003, 02:19 PM
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No ranting now Bravo, Propercharlie doesnt like people ranting

I agree gtr_man has lost it.
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Old 14 November 2003, 02:19 PM
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Cat Hate UK calls for -
All domestic cats to be neutered and kept indoors unless on a lead

All cats to be fitted with an ID chip

All cat owners to be made responsible for any damage done by their cats

All feral cats to be captured for resettling or destroying


There will be a continuous campaign of public awareness, lobbying of MPs for a change in the law and the persuasion of various animal societies to be more vocal on the subject of predation and damage by cats.

At the moment societies such as the RSPB, RSPCA and CP are afraid of a cat owner/animal rights backlash if they speak out against the growing cat problem
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Old 14 November 2003, 02:20 PM
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Cheekychimp, true, but the last thing the guy probably wants is a peeing cat making circles with her little @ss

I have lots of it in the garden, some go mental, some just sniff from time to time, some completly ignore it.
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Old 14 November 2003, 02:22 PM
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Will someone please shut this loon up? Do we have to report to moderator to get the link removed everytime its posted? Not been to the site but guessing it contains cruelty and harming animals so therefore not suitable to advertised on this family bbs as we are so often told about with other links posted?
No it doesn't contain or condone any cruelty. It contains a balanced argument against cat ownership from the point of view of poeple who are negatively affected by cats.

Like it or not, there are two viewpoints here.
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Old 14 November 2003, 02:24 PM
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Oi whanker
At the moment societies such as the RSPB, RSPCA and CP are afraid of a cat owner/animal rights backlash if they speak out against the growing cat problem
It's not just cats that are killing the birds and other wild life etc.



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Old 14 November 2003, 02:25 PM
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************** - again I have to remind you to check your facts before posting! Ajm is correct.
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Old 14 November 2003, 02:28 PM
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I have looked at that site and it contains some horrific references to what action has been done against some cats, so therefore, is not suitable for community viewing as it could cause distress to some users.
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Old 14 November 2003, 02:29 PM
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too right you miserable git, get over it, you'll be moaning about pidgeons, rats and ducks next, in fact I don't like spiders and will be alerting my MP and the RSPCA to highlight the amount of man hours I spend cleaning cobwebs. A system of electronic tagging of all spiders would be an excellent solution.
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Old 14 November 2003, 02:29 PM
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Cat owners say it's natural for cats to be outside - It's also natural for dogs, hamsters and many other pets to be outside but no right thinking pet owner would let their animal loose on the neighbourhood and then complain about it's treatment at the hands of others.

Cat owners say cats become traumatised by keeping them indoors - Then surely they are not an ideal animal to have as a pet and where is the proof?

Cat owners say without cats, the explosion in the rat population would cause a re-emergence of the Bubonic Plague How come the rat population is increasing without any sign of Bubonic Plague?
With cats we have the mind altering parasite Toxoplasma gondii!



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Old 14 November 2003, 02:30 PM
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Actually B2Z, some cats enjoy it (most don't), depends on the species.

This one used to like it

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Old 14 November 2003, 02:31 PM
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Survey aims to curb wildlife road deaths.

MOTORISTS passing the remains of squashed wildlife are being urged to report their findings to Britain's first comprehensive nation-wide survey of animal road deaths. The year-long Mammal Society study, which started last week, will rely on volunteers reporting remains to help to discover what conditions account for the largest number of roadside casualties. Researchers hope that the results will be used to cut the death toll inflicted on British wildlife by road traffic. Hedgehogs, with their well-known lack of road sense, are killed in their thousands, although the exact numbers are unknown. It is also believed that 50 000 badgers, 100 000 foxes and at least 10 million birds become casualties every year. Lincoln Garland, a researcher based at Bristol University, is in charge of the survey. He said yesterday: "There really are huge numbers of animals being killed on the roads. The impact of hunting pales into insignificance when you compare it with how many die on the roads. "For some species where the population is low already the numbers killed on roads is particularly worrying." Highways Agency workers have agreed to help to record the toll on motorways and trunk roads where it would be too dangerous for other drivers to stop and examine dead animals. On lesser roads volunteers will be asked to stop and fill in a form when they spot dead mammals or birds of prey. Mr Garland said: "They will be asked to tick boxes on things like the surrounding habitat and whether it was on a bend. It shouldn't take too long. Animal road deaths tend to be concentrated in certain locations. We are hoping to find some sort of pattern to identify why animals are being killed in these concentrations. We also hope to get a better idea of the numbers of animals being killed. Everyone talks about the effects on hedgehogs. Some people do suspect that the numbers are declining but, as yet, we don't know exactly what the impact is." Anxiety about wildlife road deaths has spawned an array of devices designed to protect animals crossing the road. Hedgehog-lovers have been encouraged to adorn the front of their cars with devices that emit a high-pitched warning noise. Some areas with high otter populations have installed red light reflectors originally designed in Australia to help kangaroos to cross roads safely. The red triangles reflect light from the head-lamps of oncoming cars into the undergrowth and scare the animals away before they start to cross. Mr Garland hopes his survey will prompt more protective measures. He is particularly keen to find out how best to help the endangered barn owl (Tyto alba). Previous studies of the barn owl have suggested that as many as 5 000 are killed on the roads every year. Mr Garland said "Some local studies suggest that barn owls are killed in phenomenal numbers on relatively short sections of road. "With barn owls and other birds of prey, the problem might be that they follow hedgerows beside raised sections of road, so if they drift over they are too low to avoid cars or lorries. If that is the case, it might be possible to plant trees or shrubs to make them fly higher." Mr Garland is also keen to find ways to stop so many badgers being killed on the roads. "The problem with badgers is that they are so stuck in their ways," he said. "Once they have got a traditional route they like to stick to it. They will sometimes avoid badger tunnels, and use their great strength to rip up fencing. Then they will continue on their old route, even if it goes over a motorway. "Perhaps 50 000 badgers die on the roads every year, from a population of, very roughly, 300 000 to 400 000. We suspect that badgers can somehow maintain reasonable numbers even though a considerable proportion of them get killed every year." Foxes are also frequent casualties. Probably the most notable was Felix, the Downing Street fox, thought to have met his end in a collision with a car in the Mall near Buckingham Palace earlier this year. Mr Garland said: "Vehicles probably kill more foxes than anything else. Hunting accounts for about 10 000 a year nation-wide,. but in a way that's an insignificant number. We think about 100 000 foxes are killed on the roads every year." To participate in the survey contact Lincoln Garland, Mammal Research Unit, School of Biological Sciences, University of Bristol, Woodland Road, Bristol BS8 1 UG.
Here you are gtr whanker read this is not all down to cats you self centred **** why dont you **** off and anoy someone else you *****
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Old 14 November 2003, 02:31 PM
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FFS - can't you people debate - this is a discussion board - it wouldn't be very intresting if we all agreed would it?? - doh!!!

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