David_Wallis

page fix?

Pavlo

people fix?

When it comes to built engines, I've got a bigger engine than all of you so stop arguing.

Season of good will? Season of drink and domestic violence if you ask me, not that I am suggesting Harvey and Mark are living together!

Paul

Andy.F

Paul your torque cr4p

ChristianR

iTrader: (1)

lol! Now you come to mention it, it does kinda make sense - like an old married couple!

Now if only I had a picture of Harvey, and a picture of Mark.. think of the fun I could have in photoshop...

[Edited by ChristianR - 12/23/2003 8:52:07 AM]

tweenierob

I can sort!!!!!

Christian YHM

Rob

R19KET

Now hang on a minute guys. When Harvey was talking about skeletons in my cupboard, I thought it was Subaru related, NOT from my PRIVATE life

Mark.

Pavlo

Andy,

My engine is together, built, fully assembled, cams timed, rocker covers glued on.

Christian doesn't count, he's a foreigner!

Paul

Trout

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Happy Christmas to everyone who has taken an interest in my project for whatever reason...

...from the sublime - can I have one of those please...

...to the ridiculous - this is all a propaganda campaign cos someone else's project failed...


...Merry Christmas to you all.

I hope that Santa brought you all you needed/wanted/desired

Rannoch

T-uk

happy christmas trout and best of luck proving us non-believers wrong next year .

this is all a propaganda campaign cos someone else's project failed...

if you think it is all down to one failed engine , then I suggest you remove your head from behind "your" santas sack

I am hoping for a quieter next year. only one piece of talked up bollox left on any of the cars I work on. perhaps I should go and add some of my own organic matter to it , so I can organise something a bit less risky to go in , while the car is still in bits. then I might actually get my car back in my garage.

anyways best of luck and watch your teeth on all that toffee.

Trout

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Scott

sorry I missed this - yes it is the ATB one and I have a Medina in the front which is a similar design.

Rannoch

RB5SCOTT

Thanks Rannoch

I think i may be in need of one so i better get over to 7oaks

ChristianR

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Whilst browsing various places, found that someone had accidently left on their web camera!!

Picture is a bit blurry, perhaps due to the fact a lot of action was going on at the time????????!!!!



[Edited by ChristianR - 12/30/2003 3:49:48 PM]

RB5SCOTT

cheeky

R19KET

Christian,

It's bad enough that someone may actually think that I had anything to do with Harveys car, but implying I'm into beastiality is taking things just too far Besides, I've never been that drunk.

Mark.

tweenierob

ROTFL!!!!!!!! OMFG!!!!

I dont know what is funnier, the pic or the reply

Cryin

Rob

The Fixer

LOL

harvey

iTrader: (48)

Christian: I am cracked up.
Mark: Good reply. Take it you think I am an animal. A few women think that too. Is that why they call me tiger and all that sloppy stuff? Know what I mean?
Good job you had nothing to do with my engine or turbo or gearbox. All my bits work. Proven.

R19KET

Harvey,

I'm sure they do........

Fortunately, I'm not in a position to comment, but you seem to think so, and I guess that's all that matters.

They certainly do, and I can't wait to see what a PROVEN 585bhp can do in the 1/4 mile.

479bhp gave you a 12.2, 533bhp (IIRC) gave you 11.74, so 585bhp should be REALLY impressive.

Mark.

Bob Rawle

FFS I thought everyone knew that a good quarter mile time is not about the car but the driver ... I should know based on my personal TOTB2 experiences of getting low 120's terminal speeds with crap times.

I know of at least one person in the UK (Andy F take a bow) and another in Iceland who can achieve Harveys times with 390-430 bhp, however that extols the driver NOT the car .. which nevertheless has significant contribution to make of course.

Having watched both in action I can see why. I can also see that Harveys car WILL make even better time given the right handling.

Season of good will and all that guys .. Christian you are a **** stirrer ... leave it alone !!!

Bob (who should know better than even think about posting in a thread like this but what the heck)

Old_Fart

I have 2 kids and a third on the way. All *my* bits work...proven!
Happy holidays Bob, please say 'Hi' to Branko from me, sorry I fell out of touch with him.
Rgds
Chuckster

Old_Fart

Broken thread? *phew* fixed!
C

[Edited by Old_Fart - 12/31/2003 2:03:23 AM]

Maddog

Somehow looking at that photo it's not Christian that's the sh%t stirrer.....!

harvey

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Mark :If you bait me then I will respond. I am sure that my Wagon will do low 11`s in the coming year without Pectel and reliance on Start Line Strategy and unlike you I have a history of proven results.
Just remind me, what was your quarter mile times and top speed for that car you always refer back to ? The one that was so secret you did not want people photographing the engine bay. Its performance at Elvington about 17 months ago was third division, and I am not aware it ever performed after that. You can enlighten us and tell us when it will appear again. Why have you gone without a Subaru for such a long time? Not really very good for a Subaru supply company.
Do you have any other proven performance figures to tell us about?
Let us know.When other cars start producing better results than I currently have (and have enjoyed for the past fourteen months) then it will be time for me to push the frontiers a bit further, something you have not done.
Now the season of good will is coming to an end and I have kept a low profile just like I said I would do but obviously I react to your posts that refer to me. There are lots of issues that could be addressed so I suggest we start a new thread in General so as not to muddy Rannoch`s thread any further.
BTW just what successful cars have you been involved in ?
David Wallis, no disrespect to David, was talking of 600 bhp before he got his car back, but it did not perform very well and he certainly lowered his horse power claims. We hear very little about that car now as he has started on another vehicle. I do wonder what went wrong there ?
Mikee got a 2.2 litre but until now it has only performed like a 2 litre. Wonder why ?
John Banks : How many engine rebuilds did he get ? Going for a 2.5 litre short engine was the final option. At least nobody had to build the bottom end or specify anything.

Now will you come back with a personal attack and avoid all the points above or can you aproach this in an open honest manner. If you are responding because I am sure you will want to post it in General and we can start the New Year off in fine fashion.

Bob: Thanks for saying I am a crap driver. I prefer to think I am mechanically simpathetic at the start which is why I am still on the original STi 6 gearbox. You map the car so you know better than anybody else that it is not set up for drag racing but is capable of phenomenal overtaking manouvers and cross country times.

C

Maybe it's me but there is plenty of other lesser powered cars, in a similar classes (cossies/evo's etc) that are considerably quicker than that

450bhp Evo does 11.2's (Seahaven Motorsport)

550bhp Escort cossie doing 10.4's (Kevin Sharpe)

I can see no reason why a 'proven' 585bhp is not a mid 10's car - not trying to disprove your claims, but think you are setting your estimations far lower than you should do.

mutant_matt

OK chaps. This is just stupid - I know each "side" will argue that they are responding to comments made about them etc. and "defending themselves" but to be frank, I and many others (judging by the complaints/RTMs we've had (from nobody involved in this thread BTW)) are too so can we please just stop it now. It would seem that there is a lot more than reputations at stake but can everybody please calm down, and stop spoiling the thread. I want to read about Dave's car and not about how various people think various other people are underhand/devious/ripping people off or whatever.

If you guys want to argue about that kind of stuff, preferably, take it off line, do it on 22B.com or do it on a dedicated thread (which we can then lock/delete as appropriate) so that the original thread, which is a good and interesting one IMHO, is not spoiled and doesn't have to be locked or deleted.

PLEASE don't MAKE me lock this thread and please remember, we are supposed to all be after the same thing, sharing knowledge and or discussing tuning Imprezas. Can everyone please try and maintain a sense of perspective? PLEASE!

One last thing, it seems to me that many people think that Scoobynet is not as "good" as it used to be in the "good ol' days" yet a lot of the stuff going on in this thread is helping the supposed "demise" of the perceived quality. How do you think this thread would look to someone coming on Scoobynet for the first time that was serious about tuning their Impreza? I think they may just go elsewhere and that would be sad for all of us I think!

Thanks,

Matt.

Andy.F

Trying to keep on topic..ish (I know david is keen to find his 1/4 mile times)
Power alone is not the main parameter in a 1/4 mile time. The weight of the car, torque, gearing and driver are also major factors.
My car for example was running 11.7's almost 2 years ago with 370 bhp. Now runs 11.6 with around 430bhp - not a proportional gain i'm sure you will agree. Main factors here are torque has not increased by much and the driver is more sympathetic to his 4th gearbox !

Another example from 'C' "450bhp evo runs 11.2" but then an 800bhp EVO runs 10.2 ? wouldn't one expect really low 9's possibly high 8's ? There are scoobs running 9.1 with far less power.

As I have said many times before, look at the 1/4 mile terminal speeds for a better indication of the cars power.

Andy

[Edited by Andy.F - 12/31/2003 12:15:46 PM]

C

It has been raised before about that Andy, basically, it's as quick as the car can go with the standard syncho gearset, you physically cant change gear quick enough I assume

There are similar powered Talon's/Eclipse's in the US with Auto's/sequential boxes that are doing low 9's - but as you are probably aware, a sequential box is a fairly hefty outlay whoever you are lol

Looking @ estimated terminal speeds then, 550/600 bhp aims for 135-140mph based on real experiences, based on simlar weight & power, is that about right Andy?

R19KET

Bob,

I'm fully aware that driver ability plays a big part in 1/4 miles.

However, all I said, is that each time Harvey has increaded his power, his 1/4 mile times have improved. Which one would expect, given we have the same driver, with the same ability, driving a more powerful car.

So, given Harvey has just had another circa 50bhp, and 45ftlb increase, which last time gave him nearly .5 sec' improvement, it's fair to assume his times will improve yet again, is it not ?

I would expect low 11's, and I don't think anyone would say that isn't REALLY impressive ?

So I'm not certain why you've decided to jump on my comments ?

Harvey,

I have never avoided answering any questions. John Bank's engine problems have been brought up in several threads, and I have not avoided any of the questions. The same is true of his, and Alan Garrod's turbo problems.

You keep bringing them up, because you have nothing else to harp on about. Although, now John has had a problem with 4th gear, I'm sure you'll add that to your list of digs.

You accuse ME of BAITING YOU now THAT'S funny !

My Elvington time was 13.45 for 500mts, and 126mph. Again, this has been discussed several times. You were there, and aware of the fuelling problem. You can also work out a rough time for the 1/4 mile, if you assume 126mph was the fastest the car was traveling. I'm happy to accept my time was 3rd division. Maybe you can let me know what type of time a 13.45 500m, at 126mph works out to ?

About 3 weeks after Elvington, I snapped a piston gudgeon pin. AGAIN, this has been posted, and discussed several times.

There are several reasons why I've not had my car back on the road. One it's not my priority, running my business is, and dare I say, like it's been nearly 7 months since the start of your last engine build, you should know how long these things can take when doing something different, and relying on others to do you favours !

You keep mentioning Mikee's car, and I assume you think I was involved in the build ? Apart from supplying a few parts, I had nothing to do with the build, or spec'. However, I suggest you wait until Mikee has finished his project, before taking a dig at him too.

With regard to David Wallis's car, ask him. I'm sure he'll answer any questions you have.

Rather than disscussing cars I've been involved in, and figures that you choose not to accept, let's wait until next year, and see how the various cars perform. Because I know that will be the only thing you'll accept.

By the way, it would be very interested to see the PATW's graphs that go with your 533, and 585bhp runs. Maybe you could post them, so we can see the type of loss's to expect from 500bhp + cars. Obviously, the bench dyno doesn't give PATW's.

Mark.





[Edited by R19KET - 12/31/2003 12:57:52 PM]

Trout

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I agree with Mutant_Matt.

this is just complete bollocks.

First of all - Christian - I am sure the pic is very funny - but belongs in the muppet forum not here.

To the others - I am building a car, it is nearing completion and if you want to share in what I did then fine - if you want to use it as a debate about suppliers, other engines, turbos, times, results or whatever then start up your own f*cking threads.

As I have always said in this project thread, this is about the development of a project, it is obviously not proven as it has not got out there to do it, but when the time comes then the project will live or die by the results it gets. If you want to discuss it then, then please feel free to do so.

Also, if I do go ahead and utilise electronic features to improve performance, such as SLS, then so what! I am sure there will be some who are interested, but to denigerate it with sly innuendo is just f*cking ridiculous. And for the avoidance of doubt it is very unlikely that I will be using SLS, ALS, or other features in the short term.

And one more thing...comments about 'claimed' results...I am not claiming anything. I am sharing with you the readouts from Dave Wilds engine dyno following his mapping and tuning of my engine (with the very grateful assistance of Pat). if you want to question the 'claims' then please feel free to discuss with Dave Wild. His dyno is widely used and respected, and a number of the big 500bhp Cosworth engines are tuned there.

The main reasons there is a power difference between the first set of results and the second is a reset of the cam timing and using 98 RON fuel.

Other facts to put aside any rumours...

- there has only ever been one engine

- the same pistons and components have been used throughout the project

- the same turbo has been used since day one, wiht no additional modifications - I have been tempted to go bigger but the bench dyno results are compelling

- the final runs of the engine were delayed by a couple of issues, none of which relate to the short-block and primarily relate to a US supplier sending a component of the incorrect spec

- the engine is now in the car, and contrary to naive opinion it is not simply a day to get it in and out - some of the major pipework can only be fabricated in situ, also we have had to carry out some fabrication work on the inlet manifold, again something that could only be measured in situ. Unfortunately not many fabricators work over Christmas!

I am happy to discuss any aspect of my project so feel free to post...otherwise please take your games elsewhere.

Rannoch

AlanG

Hi David.
What was required to be done to the inlet manifold? Is it different throttle body or turned round or...?
{I know zip about 2.5's and what they need, interested to learn}

And erm..what's SLS?

Alan