Honda S2000 or Boxster S????
04 November 2003, 11:46 PM
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For 25k I'd have the S2000, for 40k I'd have the Boxter.
I've got a S2000 for the next 10 days. Only driven it round town so far, seems much stronger than the ITR and ATR I've owned before. I'll report back. Only been a passenger in a well driven Boxter S, very impressive car in the right hands.
I've got a S2000 for the next 10 days. Only driven it round town so far, seems much stronger than the ITR and ATR I've owned before. I'll report back. Only been a passenger in a well driven Boxter S, very impressive car in the right hands.
05 November 2003, 12:17 AM
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For £40k you can get an immaculate low mileage 993 and then there would be no Porsche wannabe about it 
Stick the the Carrera 2 unless you can afford the turbo and then you would be genuinely quick!
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Stick the the Carrera 2 unless you can afford the turbo and then you would be genuinely quick!
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05 November 2003, 06:25 AM
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Boxster 2.7 v S2000. Not the Boxster S. Forget cost on this one, its not about that.
...you know, the 2.7 that is not even in the same league performance wise as the S2000, although quicker round a track in the stigs hands!
id
...you know, the 2.7 that is not even in the same league performance wise as the S2000, although quicker round a track in the stigs hands!
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05 November 2003, 08:50 AM
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ID, that would be the same journalists that either loved or slated the RS Focus?
Slower around what track? I've seen and read tests where the S2000 was quicker than the Boxter S
Depending on the answer you want, you can always find a test to back that up.
LOL..there's a few posts on here about how bad Boxters are in the wet without PSM...from Boxter owners.
Current S2000's have had changes to spring rates and geometry. They are also pretty geometry sensitive.
Autocar are very "anti" S2000 and nothing with a porshe badge can do wrong. Funny that.....
I've driven a 2.5 and passangered in a BoxterS. The 2.5 was pants. Dog slow and had scuttle shake over bad surfaces.
Only ever passangered in an s2000 - and admittedly the driver was extremely good, but the structure felt more solid, and the way the thing moved in the upper reaches of the rev range was simply stunning. Didn't have any concerns about its handling either.
For me you either love the VTEC power delivery or you hate it, and thats what puts people off.
There is no doubt in my mind which car is better engineered. And its the less expensive one.
An S2000 is just that, a boxter S is a cheap Porshe with a bigger engine.
And thats before we get into looks. Just what have porche done with the facelift
Slower around what track? I've seen and read tests where the S2000 was quicker than the Boxter S
Depending on the answer you want, you can always find a test to back that up.
LOL..there's a few posts on here about how bad Boxters are in the wet without PSM...from Boxter owners.
Current S2000's have had changes to spring rates and geometry. They are also pretty geometry sensitive.
Autocar are very "anti" S2000 and nothing with a porshe badge can do wrong. Funny that.....
I've driven a 2.5 and passangered in a BoxterS. The 2.5 was pants. Dog slow and had scuttle shake over bad surfaces.
Only ever passangered in an s2000 - and admittedly the driver was extremely good, but the structure felt more solid, and the way the thing moved in the upper reaches of the rev range was simply stunning. Didn't have any concerns about its handling either.
For me you either love the VTEC power delivery or you hate it, and thats what puts people off.
There is no doubt in my mind which car is better engineered. And its the less expensive one.
An S2000 is just that, a boxter S is a cheap Porshe with a bigger engine.
And thats before we get into looks. Just what have porche done with the facelift
05 November 2003, 09:24 AM
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I'll agree with you on the Lambrusco/Moet one, but in all the other cases the brand on the right will do the job as well as (if not better) than the brand on the left, and it is down to image at the end of the day.
But then you'd know all about that
See my edit above and lets talk image.
Just been on the Porsche site, and specced me a boxter S to match the s2000.
That will be £42,000 thank you sir .....
Or the price of a Civic type R for the wife on top of the S2000...
Kind of puts it in perspective, doesn't it....
But then you'd know all about that
See my edit above and lets talk image.
Just been on the Porsche site, and specced me a boxter S to match the s2000.
That will be £42,000 thank you sir .....
Or the price of a Civic type R for the wife on top of the S2000...
Kind of puts it in perspective, doesn't it....
05 November 2003, 09:37 AM
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Yes the list on the left does it as well as the one on the left, in some cases better, but many of us are happy to pay the extra for the list on the right.
But It's not about cost for me, I do not want to own the "cheapest car that goes fast" same as I do not want the cheapest thing that can get me pi$$ed or the cheapest thing to tell the time.
Anyway stop comparing the S2000 to the Boxster S, I never have done that, the 2.7 is the car I have compared it with. However even speccing one up, it will come out more expensive the the S2000 - but I would expect it to! How could a Porsche possibly be less than a Honda!!!!
I am not slagging the Honda off, don't see it as that. It was the comments of the 2.7 is not even in the same league that made me laugh!
But It's not about cost for me, I do not want to own the "cheapest car that goes fast" same as I do not want the cheapest thing that can get me pi$$ed or the cheapest thing to tell the time.
Anyway stop comparing the S2000 to the Boxster S, I never have done that, the 2.7 is the car I have compared it with. However even speccing one up, it will come out more expensive the the S2000 - but I would expect it to! How could a Porsche possibly be less than a Honda!!!!
I am not slagging the Honda off, don't see it as that. It was the comments of the 2.7 is not even in the same league that made me laugh!
05 November 2003, 09:54 AM
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Please edit the list
1. Should be Krug not moet (they sell that krap in local indian restaurants)
2. Should be "Kenzo" or " Helmut lang". Armani is sold in Pikey markets.
1. Should be Krug not moet (they sell that krap in local indian restaurants)
2. Should be "Kenzo" or " Helmut lang". Armani is sold in Pikey markets.
05 November 2003, 10:13 AM
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In terms of image Porsche is definately the superior brand but IMHO have lowered their brand image by introducing a 'budget' car such as the Boxter (even if it is a cracking car).
It's kind of like Moet bringing out a bottle of £8 Champagne to make it more appealing to Cava drinkers.
In terms of engineering I'm not so sure there is anything in it and am of the opinion that Honda has the slight advantage.
It's kind of like Moet bringing out a bottle of £8 Champagne to make it more appealing to Cava drinkers.
In terms of engineering I'm not so sure there is anything in it and am of the opinion that Honda has the slight advantage.
05 November 2003, 10:21 AM
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But Porsche has always doen a "Junior" car.
912/914/924/944.
Although they messed up with the late 944 Turbo and made it faster, more expensive and better handling the a 911 Carrera of the time!! In fact the 944 turbo was that good, they had to ban it from the Carrera cup in 1999 as it was still beating 996's!!
Since then of course Porsche has made a better job of its finances, marketing and "Brand"
912/914/924/944.
Although they messed up with the late 944 Turbo and made it faster, more expensive and better handling the a 911 Carrera of the time!! In fact the 944 turbo was that good, they had to ban it from the Carrera cup in 1999 as it was still beating 996's!!
Since then of course Porsche has made a better job of its finances, marketing and "Brand"
05 November 2003, 11:30 AM
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Em the original topic was S2000 or Boxter s, hence the comparison...
There is no comparison 2.7 to S2000, the honda is, IMO, the better car.
But you've just admitted you are a badge snob
Seems image is more important to you regardless of price and or quality....but whatever rocks your boat.
D
ps - A Porsche could quite easily be less than a Honda
Take the NSX for example with chassis tuning by the late, great Ayrton Senna.....
A significantly better car than its Porsche counterpart at the time. And i have no doubts that the "new" NSX will follow the tradition...
And don't forget that arguably the most successful racing car of all time, the McLaren MP4/4 was Honda powered.
There is no comparison 2.7 to S2000, the honda is, IMO, the better car.
But you've just admitted you are a badge snob
How could a Porsche possibly be less than a Honda???
D
ps - A Porsche could quite easily be less than a Honda
Take the NSX for example with chassis tuning by the late, great Ayrton Senna.....A significantly better car than its Porsche counterpart at the time. And i have no doubts that the "new" NSX will follow the tradition...
And don't forget that arguably the most successful racing car of all time, the McLaren MP4/4 was Honda powered.
05 November 2003, 11:37 AM
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But weren't they in the £40k+ mark 10+ years ago ?
Without doubt Porsche is ahead on the brand stakes but oddly enough this does not follow through with their engineering ability where Honda is one of the best in the business.
I guess, as has been said, if you want a car for image then Porsche wins but on performance the descision is not so clear cut.
Without doubt Porsche is ahead on the brand stakes but oddly enough this does not follow through with their engineering ability where Honda is one of the best in the business.
I guess, as has been said, if you want a car for image then Porsche wins but on performance the descision is not so clear cut.
05 November 2003, 12:01 PM
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if you want a car for image then Porsche wins but on performance the descision is not so clear cut
The same will be true for the newer cars - many people will simply overlook the Honda because it does not have the image and brand-awareness that the Porsche has. Certainly a car enthusiast will know what the S2000 is all about and will try both and decide. But the average Joe Bloggs who is not that into cars wont bother because the general consensus is that Porsche make the best sports cars in the world. Whether they actually do or not is irrelevant to this type of buyer. That is why the Boxster (in all its guises) has been such a success for Porsche.
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05 November 2003, 12:24 PM
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Em the original topic was S2000 or Boxter s, hence the comparison...There is no comparison 2.7 to S2000, the honda is, IMO, the better car
There is a comparison with the 2.7, as it was quicker around the top gear track.
Why is the S2000 better? Looks? HHmmmmm matter of opinion, perfomance? HHmmmmmmm, nope not that either (well it has 12 bhp more), Handling? nope, cost? yep its cheaper of that there is no doubt! But which will keep its value better, which will still be in demand in 10/20 years time? It'll still be a Honda thats for sure - probably with a carbon spoiler and fast and furious graphics by then
But you've just admitted you are a badge snob - How could a Porsche possibly be less than a Honda???
Of course I am a Snob!!! But I was using Porsche's marketing, why on earth would they make a car cost less than a Honda....a bloody Honda!
Seems image is more important to you regardless of price and or quality....but whatever rocks your boat
Where is this quality with the S2000? You know with a Porsche you have the high quality materials, the best chassis in it's class.
ps - A Porsche could quite easily be less than a Honda Take the NSX for example with chassis tuning by the late, great Ayrton Senna.....
And didn't that car the imagination of the public? You can not sell a Honda for that much as was proved.
A significantly better car than its Porsche counterpart at the time. And i have no doubts that the "new" NSX will follow the tradition...
Unfortunately however good it is, it'll still be a Honda, and people won't buy it because of that - thats not just me that thinks like that.
And don't forget that arguably the most successful racing car of all time, the McLaren MP4/4 was Honda powered
Really? The 956/962 was the most successful racing car. Porsche supplied the engine when mcLaren had most victories in a season too
id ACHTUNG
There is a comparison with the 2.7, as it was quicker around the top gear track.
Why is the S2000 better? Looks? HHmmmmm matter of opinion, perfomance? HHmmmmmmm, nope not that either (well it has 12 bhp more), Handling? nope, cost? yep its cheaper of that there is no doubt! But which will keep its value better, which will still be in demand in 10/20 years time? It'll still be a Honda thats for sure - probably with a carbon spoiler and fast and furious graphics by then
But you've just admitted you are a badge snob - How could a Porsche possibly be less than a Honda???
Of course I am a Snob!!! But I was using Porsche's marketing, why on earth would they make a car cost less than a Honda....a bloody Honda!
Seems image is more important to you regardless of price and or quality....but whatever rocks your boat
Where is this quality with the S2000? You know with a Porsche you have the high quality materials, the best chassis in it's class.
ps - A Porsche could quite easily be less than a Honda Take the NSX for example with chassis tuning by the late, great Ayrton Senna.....
And didn't that car the imagination of the public? You can not sell a Honda for that much as was proved.
A significantly better car than its Porsche counterpart at the time. And i have no doubts that the "new" NSX will follow the tradition...
Unfortunately however good it is, it'll still be a Honda, and people won't buy it because of that - thats not just me that thinks like that.
And don't forget that arguably the most successful racing car of all time, the McLaren MP4/4 was Honda powered
Really? The 956/962 was the most successful racing car. Porsche supplied the engine when mcLaren had most victories in a season too
id ACHTUNG
05 November 2003, 01:30 PM
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Hello Cossie Did you read the whole thread? The only reason I replied to this thread was to enjoy a little light hearted banter and to respond to the ludicrous comment no doubt by a Honda owner:-the 2.7 is not even in the same league
To you respond to your post though........
Yes it's stupid, but no-one has been insulting yet, and you know, it passes the time, and winding people up is fun!
Snobs and car n00bs like to press on about Porsche's heritage in motorsport, when in fact Honda has been just as involved. F1, JGTC, BTCC, and they've been doing this for decades.
You know, I had no idea of that
thanks for pointing it out.The S2000 is the most competitive roadster out in the market today Its very good isn't it especially at the price.
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05 November 2003, 01:54 PM
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Both good cars, from companies that also make tractors .
Buy on price. S2000 Quicker better value reliable should be lower running costs (you can actually fit honda lawn mower parts)
Although Stig did get the 2.7 round quicker than the S2000, both cars can dish out around .92-94 g on the skidpan (more than a wrx and up at evo levels), so they both have much the same grip add to that the S2000 better acceleration and the S2000 might be quicker round other tracks (if you can exploit its handling as well as the boxster's)
Buy on driving enjoyment, Boxster S. More depth to the drive.
I drove one of the first S2000 on a test drive and I know they have improved, but they would have to improve a lot to equal the boxsters chassis and steering which give great feed back, the steering is reponsive and direct, giving you plenty of information from the road and its nicely weighted. The way the car responds to thriottle inputs as you set it and as you go through a bend is amazing, you can change the attitude of the car with just a flex of your toe. The engine is really flexible far more torquey low down that the S2000 and yet spins super smooth to the red line, the better spread of power makes it more relaxing and user friendly for daytoday and on a fast A road cruise round the Highlands.
Both these cars require more care and attention to drive than your average car Fwd , 4wd and a lot of Rwd cars , you do see lots in the repair shops.
So I would say a boxster with PSM is a good buy.
Buy on price. S2000 Quicker better value reliable should be lower running costs (you can actually fit honda lawn mower parts
)Although Stig did get the 2.7 round quicker than the S2000, both cars can dish out around .92-94 g on the skidpan (more than a wrx and up at evo levels), so they both have much the same grip add to that the S2000 better acceleration and the S2000 might be quicker round other tracks (if you can exploit its handling as well as the boxster's
) Buy on driving enjoyment, Boxster S. More depth to the drive.
I drove one of the first S2000 on a test drive and I know they have improved, but they would have to improve a lot to equal the boxsters chassis and steering which give great feed back, the steering is reponsive and direct, giving you plenty of information from the road and its nicely weighted. The way the car responds to thriottle inputs as you set it and as you go through a bend is amazing, you can change the attitude of the car with just a flex of your toe. The engine is really flexible far more torquey low down that the S2000 and yet spins super smooth to the red line, the better spread of power makes it more relaxing and user friendly for daytoday and on a fast A road cruise round the Highlands.
Both these cars require more care and attention to drive than your average car Fwd , 4wd and a lot of Rwd cars , you do see lots in the repair shops.
So I would say a boxster with PSM is a good buy.
05 November 2003, 02:50 PM
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LOL at ID..
Have you even sat in an S2000???
Boxters and 996's have been slated for a drop in quality..
Just look at the panel fit around the nose of a boxter/996.
Now a 993, thats a different matter...
I see a boxter I think, nice car, but can't decide whether its going backwards or forwards. And that new nose..LOL...whats that all about.
At the end of the day, if its all down to image, I know what image I'd rather portray - (and its not sad wannabee having a mid life crisis 
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Its a shame, cos we agree both are cracking cars to be honest. Just the boxter image is not one I would want to be tarred with....
D
Have you even sat in an S2000???
Boxters and 996's have been slated for a drop in quality..
Just look at the panel fit around the nose of a boxter/996.
Now a 993, thats a different matter...
I see a boxter I think, nice car, but can't decide whether its going backwards or forwards. And that new nose..LOL...whats that all about.
At the end of the day, if its all down to image, I know what image I'd rather portray
- (and its not sad wannabee having a mid life crisis )Its a shame, cos we agree both are cracking cars to be honest. Just the boxter image is not one I would want to be tarred with....
D
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05 November 2003, 04:14 PM
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The S2000 came 5th in the Top Gear 2003 survey too
Top Gear Website
Congrats on the purchase. There's a lot to be said about buying a performance car new and you can't beat that new car smell either IMO.
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Congrats on the purchase. There's a lot to be said about buying a performance car new and you can't beat that new car smell either IMO.
05 November 2003, 06:34 PM
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Have you even sat in an S2000???
Unfortunately thats all I did do, as the non adjustable steering column means the steering wheels touches my thighs all the bloody time!
Just the boxter image is not one I would want to be tarred with....
Fair play....I wouldn't want a make of car my granny has either
Unfortunately thats all I did do, as the non adjustable steering column means the steering wheels touches my thighs all the bloody time!
Just the boxter image is not one I would want to be tarred with....
Fair play....I wouldn't want a make of car my granny has either
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That Skyline was holding that S2000 up and stopping it from catching and passing the 350Z! It was only until a lap or two from the end that it got out the way, by which time it was too late. A fix if you ask me (hmmm, the Skyline is a Nissan as is the 350Z, hmmm, rubs chin )
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