Sick of RS Tubo's.....!
08 September 2003, 09:39 AM
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Dan
I drive a Subaru hence my eligibility to post here
However I haven't got my head so far up my **** that I can't appreciate a quick car, still amazes me how people become so territorial about what car they drive LOL!
I aim to own one of each before petrol runs out
I drive a Subaru hence my eligibility to post here
However I haven't got my head so far up my **** that I can't appreciate a quick car, still amazes me how people become so territorial about what car they drive LOL!I aim to own one of each before petrol runs out
08 September 2003, 10:11 AM
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I'm not sick of RS turbos at all.
Ive had one, then an escort cossie then an STi5 R.
Whats the best/fastest/most reliable?
None of them!
They all have pros and cons but if I was 17 again, I would go for a turbo. If you blow one up (which I did) you can stick another lump in for about a grand (which I did) and you can do it yourself outside your house (yep did that as well!).
When I was 21 I stuffed the cossie into the kurb and put that right outside my house as well.
At 23, the scoob blew up and cost me the best part of 3 grand - and what a **** job they did of it.
Enough said.
Ive had one, then an escort cossie then an STi5 R.
Whats the best/fastest/most reliable?
None of them!
They all have pros and cons but if I was 17 again, I would go for a turbo. If you blow one up (which I did) you can stick another lump in for about a grand (which I did) and you can do it yourself outside your house (yep did that as well!).
When I was 21 I stuffed the cossie into the kurb and put that right outside my house as well.
At 23, the scoob blew up and cost me the best part of 3 grand - and what a **** job they did of it.
Enough said.
08 September 2003, 10:46 AM
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Followed many up yesterday & whilst many wanted to play they gave me the courtesy of not buzzing me too much, thumbs up from all involved.
Though there was one with the reg 444 Brake Horse Power,
sadly with no turbo connected & unmapped & still 20 miles of running in, I wasn't the person to test it.
Though there was a gunmetal 550 Maranello playing......
Though there was one with the reg 444 Brake Horse Power,
sadly with no turbo connected & unmapped & still 20 miles of running in, I wasn't the person to test it.
Though there was a gunmetal 550 Maranello playing......
09 September 2003, 12:07 AM
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Ahh hasty Redkop.... less of the raised eyebrows...before you you **** yourself get the full details I am not saying you are wrong as I am no expert on Fords. But it was a company car which I had for about 4 months. It was an escort it was Mk4 shape it was mid metalic grey totaly debaged and was definately called the cosworth by everybody. Every one in the company called it 'The Cosworth'. Apparently it was a very very rare small limited run they did. This thing really did shift. I am trying to think back to what year it was when I was driving it..It must have been about 1990 and I seem to remember that it was E/F regish. As I said I don't know much about Fords so. So if you are a Ford Guru. I will accept what you say no questions. What do you think? Was it really a cosworth I am quite interested to find out now.
Best wishes
Steve
[Edited by Steve Whitehorn - 9/9/2003 12:21:51 AM]
[Edited by Steve Whitehorn - 9/9/2003 12:29:03 AM]
I am not saying you are wrong as I am no expert on Fords. But it was a company car which I had for about 4 months. It was an escort it was Mk4 shape it was mid metalic grey totaly debaged and was definately called the cosworth by everybody. Every one in the company called it 'The Cosworth'. Apparently it was a very very rare small limited run they did. This thing really did shift. I am trying to think back to what year it was when I was driving it..It must have been about 1990 and I seem to remember that it was E/F regish. As I said I don't know much about Fords so. So if you are a Ford Guru. I will accept what you say no questions. What do you think? Was it really a cosworth I am quite interested to find out now.Best wishes
Steve
[Edited by Steve Whitehorn - 9/9/2003 12:21:51 AM]
[Edited by Steve Whitehorn - 9/9/2003 12:29:03 AM]
09 September 2003, 12:15 AM
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Mark2 shape was the late 70s shape mate.
Mark3 was early 80s till C reg and fastest was RS turbos and they were all white.
Mark4 was D till H/J reg and fastest again was RS Turbos.
Mark5/6 was H/J till P and then and only then were there COSWORTH Escorts.
So either you talking rubbish, your workmates were taking the **** by calling it a Cosworth, or it was just a RS Turbo (loads in grey, not at all rare), or it was a Sierra Sapphire Cosworth (loads in grey) and even my mum could tell that wasnt a Escort Cosworth.
Your first post was quite bizzare, the second post jus makes even less sence.
Mark3 was early 80s till C reg and fastest was RS turbos and they were all white.
Mark4 was D till H/J reg and fastest again was RS Turbos.
Mark5/6 was H/J till P and then and only then were there COSWORTH Escorts.
So either you talking rubbish, your workmates were taking the **** by calling it a Cosworth, or it was just a RS Turbo (loads in grey, not at all rare), or it was a Sierra Sapphire Cosworth (loads in grey) and even my mum could tell that wasnt a Escort Cosworth.
Your first post was quite bizzare, the second post jus makes even less sence.
09 September 2003, 12:26 AM
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Got it wrong intially. Was trying to think through the different types on my feet. It was definately the Mk4. As I said perhaps the cosworth thing was bulls. I stand to be proved wrong. But what I just posted are the facts people used to call the car 'the cosworth' perhaps they were talking rubbish.
Steve
P.S be nice to me.
[Edited by Steve Whitehorn - 9/9/2003 12:27:54 AM]
Steve
P.S be nice to me.
[Edited by Steve Whitehorn - 9/9/2003 12:27:54 AM]
09 September 2003, 12:36 AM
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Sounds like an RS turbo then if it was a Mk4, the car they talking about on this thread.
135bhp as std. 0-60 in 8.somthing. Grey was a std colour, but wasnt a rare option. It being debadged is unusual for a std company car tho.
135bhp as std. 0-60 in 8.somthing. Grey was a std colour, but wasnt a rare option. It being debadged is unusual for a std company car tho.
09 September 2003, 11:29 AM
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I'm an owner of a genuine 200BHP RS Turbo (1.9CVH, 15 psi etc..etc...) and to be honest I sometimes get sick of Scoobs trying to race me!!! (Usually the lower end/cheaper scoobs, although obviously the turbos not the sports)And the fact that they try and race me shows that people who drive Scoobs do have some kind of appreciation of an RS Turbo as a performance/fast car.
My car is quite well modified, including the suspension and brakes and is in good condition (Not the rust bucket that a lot of people think they all are).
My car will quite easily keep up with the majority of scoobs on the road and even give a few of them a run for there money. It handles and stops relativly well and imo is a half decent car.
What a lot of people don't think about or take into consideration is my car cost me probably £4000 in total, I'd be lucky to get a bottom of the pile/thrashed/common muck scoob for that money and I still wouldn't be able to insure it. I like the fact that people see my car and immediatly think they can blow it away :-)
There faces are usually a picture as I flash them out of the way.
At the end of the day we're all car enthusiasts, whether your driving a 20K Scoob or a 3.5K RS Turbo.
John
My car is quite well modified, including the suspension and brakes and is in good condition (Not the rust bucket that a lot of people think they all are).
My car will quite easily keep up with the majority of scoobs on the road and even give a few of them a run for there money. It handles and stops relativly well and imo is a half decent car.
What a lot of people don't think about or take into consideration is my car cost me probably £4000 in total, I'd be lucky to get a bottom of the pile/thrashed/common muck scoob for that money and I still wouldn't be able to insure it. I like the fact that people see my car and immediatly think they can blow it away :-)
There faces are usually a picture as I flash them out of the way.
At the end of the day we're all car enthusiasts, whether your driving a 20K Scoob or a 3.5K RS Turbo.
John
09 September 2003, 06:23 PM
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Good post John L 
D: - I too own a Series 2 RS Turbo, and like John mine is no rust bucket, Ive spent countless hours rebuilding and upgrading it. Ive dropped a 1.8 litre engine into it which produces 166BHP and 198 lb/ft of torque at 7.5 psi of boost which I think is pretty respectible.
I spose the point of my post is that, like John, in my oppinion the reality of the situation is very much the opposite scenario to the title of this post, in that these days RS Turbos are massively outnumbered by scoobies!, in fact I would estimate the ratio is probably > 5 to 1 in my area!, and in fact its the scoobies that seem to want a piece of me rather than the other way rounf!! (and for the vast majority of them - standard classics and WRX bugeyes my car is fairly well matched in terms of straight line performance - though Im the first to admit things are VERY different in the "twisties" ).
Please dont think Im anti scoob as Im not - one of my mates bought a brand new one back in 97 when they were still quite rare and I loved itD:, if I had room for 2 cars a scoob would be pretty far up my list of options but I dont think its fair to tar all RS Turbo drivers with the same brush. The RS is now a pretty old car and the majority of owners now have to some extent be a car enthusiast to put the hours in necessary to keep them going. As opposed to the "saxo crew" now getting their hands on £5K scoobies - dare I say it, the "new" RS Turbo....
D: - I too own a Series 2 RS Turbo, and like John mine is no rust bucket, Ive spent countless hours rebuilding and upgrading it. Ive dropped a 1.8 litre engine into it which produces 166BHP and 198 lb/ft of torque at 7.5 psi of boost which I think is pretty respectible.I spose the point of my post is that, like John, in my oppinion the reality of the situation is very much the opposite scenario to the title of this post, in that these days RS Turbos are massively outnumbered by scoobies!, in fact I would estimate the ratio is probably > 5 to 1 in my area!, and in fact its the scoobies that seem to want a piece of me rather than the other way rounf!!
(and for the vast majority of them - standard classics and WRX bugeyes my car is fairly well matched in terms of straight line performance - though Im the first to admit things are VERY different in the "twisties" ).Please dont think Im anti scoob as Im not - one of my mates bought a brand new one back in 97 when they were still quite rare and I loved it
D:, if I had room for 2 cars a scoob would be pretty far up my list of options but I dont think its fair to tar all RS Turbo drivers with the same brush. The RS is now a pretty old car and the majority of owners now have to some extent be a car enthusiast to put the hours in necessary to keep them going. As opposed to the "saxo crew" now getting their hands on £5K scoobies - dare I say it, the "new" RS Turbo....
09 September 2003, 08:09 PM
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As you have said you can blow up an RST and get a new engine for a few hundred. Scoob arent the same and a blow up in a 4-5K scoob may mean the end of its life. I reckon it costs me 2K a year to get/have a scoob road ready (insurance/ tax/ mot/ servicing/ consumables). Add to that fuel and the original cost/loan they aint cheap to run . Run them on the cheap and problems will occur. Run imports on NUL which I have seen young lads doing are asking for trouble. I dont bother mentioning it anymore. I usually get its okay mate its been chipped to 380bhp and can run on NUL 
, yeah if you like.
Are decibels somehow linked to horsepower because I cant find that formula.
Technology has also moved on as well. I use to play with my old CVH Orion Ghia easy layout but wouldnt even know where to start or want to on the scoob.
[Edited by chrisp - 9/9/2003 8:14:48 PM]
. Run them on the cheap and problems will occur. Run imports on NUL which I have seen young lads doing are asking for trouble. I dont bother mentioning it anymore. I usually get its okay mate its been chipped to 380bhp and can run on NUL , yeah if you like. Are decibels somehow linked to horsepower because I cant find that formula
.Technology has also moved on as well. I use to play with my old CVH Orion Ghia easy layout but wouldnt even know where to start or want to on the scoob.
[Edited by chrisp - 9/9/2003 8:14:48 PM]
09 September 2003, 08:35 PM
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The fact that RST's are knocking on for 15 years old in some cases is a pretty poor reason to knock a car. Lotus Carlton's are approaching 10 years old, does that make them less warranted? I think not.
There are some mental RST's out there, that will catch the unwary Scoob, Evo, Cav, Calibra driver out, that before they can do anything about it, won't be able to gain meaninful ground.
I'm not a great Ford fan, even less so with regards to late 80's early 90's Escorts and Sierras, but I do appreciate an RST that looks nice and sorted without all the Max Poo stick on bits. Dare I mention it, I've seen a few nice looking XR3i's as well!
Put it this way, the 'old' motor you take the p!ss out of today, is the 400BHP Austin Maestro Turbo that flies past you tomorrow!
just a thought!
There are some mental RST's out there, that will catch the unwary Scoob, Evo, Cav, Calibra driver out, that before they can do anything about it, won't be able to gain meaninful ground.
I'm not a great Ford fan, even less so with regards to late 80's early 90's Escorts and Sierras, but I do appreciate an RST that looks nice and sorted without all the Max Poo stick on bits. Dare I mention it, I've seen a few nice looking XR3i's as well!
Put it this way, the 'old' motor you take the p!ss out of today, is the 400BHP Austin Maestro Turbo that flies past you tomorrow!
just a thought!
09 September 2003, 08:36 PM
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The fact that RST's are knocking on for 15 years old in some cases is a pretty poor reason to knock a car. Lotus Carlton's are approaching 10 years old, does that make them less warranted? I think not.
There are some mental RST's out there, that will catch the unwary Scoob, Evo, Cav, Calibra driver out, that before they can do anything about it, won't be able to gain meaninful ground.
I'm not a great Ford fan, even less so with regards to late 80's early 90's Escorts and Sierras, but I do appreciate an RST that looks nice and sorted without all the Max Poo stick on bits. Dare I mention it, I've seen a few nice looking XR3i's as well!
Put it this way, the 'old' motor you take the p!ss out of today, is the 400BHP Austin Maestro Turbo that flies past you tomorrow!
just a thought!
There are some mental RST's out there, that will catch the unwary Scoob, Evo, Cav, Calibra driver out, that before they can do anything about it, won't be able to gain meaninful ground.
I'm not a great Ford fan, even less so with regards to late 80's early 90's Escorts and Sierras, but I do appreciate an RST that looks nice and sorted without all the Max Poo stick on bits. Dare I mention it, I've seen a few nice looking XR3i's as well!
Put it this way, the 'old' motor you take the p!ss out of today, is the 400BHP Austin Maestro Turbo that flies past you tomorrow!
just a thought!
09 September 2003, 09:29 PM
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Thanks Mrs Redkop
As you can tell I don't know my ar*e from my elbow when it comes to distinguishing between the sexes.
I think I am going to give up on this thread as I can't seem to get anything right.
As you can tell I don't know my ar*e from my elbow when it comes to distinguishing between the sexes.
I think I am going to give up on this thread as I can't seem to get anything right.
Don't give up - lol
10 September 2003, 02:18 AM
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I think some of the non believers should get to John Nobles on 18th october and see how some of these rst's perform,some of them dont even run big boost (Butch's)
I'll bring my cheque to you aswell dingly (and the gazebo).
I'll bring my cheque to you aswell dingly (and the gazebo).
19 November 2003, 10:16 PM
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I have no doubt a modified RST could beat a standard UK Impreza.
I have no doubt a modified RST could beat a standard RST.
I have no doubt a modified Impreza could beat a standard UK Impreza.
I have no doubt a 2 million pound F1 car could beat a Ferrari Maranello.
The question is, are any of the above comparisons really valid and not just plain obvious and they are not direct comparisons????
Who hasnt had a modified slower car that could take on the NEXT level 'standard'. Trouble is the next level 'equivalent' Modified car, just resets the gap you just closed.
Or can we just agree something just as obvious like: a 6speed Supra will be faster on 4mile runway as it is geared better and does 160 easily. But then what does that prove thats new???
I have no doubt a modified RST could beat a standard RST.
I have no doubt a modified Impreza could beat a standard UK Impreza.
I have no doubt a 2 million pound F1 car could beat a Ferrari Maranello.
The question is, are any of the above comparisons really valid and not just plain obvious and they are not direct comparisons????
Who hasnt had a modified slower car that could take on the NEXT level 'standard'. Trouble is the next level 'equivalent' Modified car, just resets the gap you just closed.
Or can we just agree something just as obvious like: a 6speed Supra will be faster on 4mile runway as it is geared better and does 160 easily. But then what does that prove thats new???
21 November 2003, 01:10 PM
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Ah yes, but.....
Your trying to say you can't compare modified cars to standard cars as its not a fair comparison but in my opinion you can if you also take into comarison the price.
Comparing say a standard UK Scooby at 6K to a modded £4k RS Turbo is still valid as the Ford costs £2k less. After all aren't Scooby Turbos just factory modded/upgraded (and therefore more expensive) standard cars??
Your trying to say you can't compare modified cars to standard cars as its not a fair comparison but in my opinion you can if you also take into comarison the price.
Comparing say a standard UK Scooby at 6K to a modded £4k RS Turbo is still valid as the Ford costs £2k less. After all aren't Scooby Turbos just factory modded/upgraded (and therefore more expensive) standard cars??