Duck_Pond

Only commenting on my insult? Does that mean you accept that threads have a habit of changing... or won't you comment on that because it's not in line with the thread?

NACRO

I don't think it's worth continuing talking to someone who resorts to cheap insults and crap about threads evolving. I could manipulate this thread into a discussion about the price of fish and it wouldn't be relevant to the discussion in hand- the failure of Rover and the seeming deathwish of MG Rover in producing dross like the "streetwise". That being the case I think you'd be better debating this with yourself.
Enjoy, we'll see who's right in the fullness of time, I suspect it won't be you.

J4CKO

iTrader: (1)

Nacro, you should ask for a rise, I can buy at least a Rover 800 with a weeks pay.

MGJohn

Previously NACRO wrote:

>> I can see a few cars included that I'd be interested in driving including the MG Maestro Turbo. <<

then later WRITES:

>>As for a drive in your Maestro if I really wanted to drive one I believe you can pick them up for a weeks wages these days <<

If you REALLY wanted ...... Oh really ... by the way, you're on three and a half grand a week then .... impressive.

Yes Sir! In my opinion, I believe your opinions and tastes are not only ill founded and wrong, but still crap .... but of course, mine like yours are just opinions... only mine are less anti-brit ... think you'd better stay over there then eh ..... yes only kidding but I am allowed an opinion or two.....

Rich and Mini WROTE:

>> but there is no way anyone sane would buy a brand new 620Ti (if there was such a thing) over a new E46 325i! The Ti has the same ultimate performance, granted. But the 325 is silky smooth, has better low down torque and a higher top end. <<

More opinions here: Well ... maybe ... but its's a big maybe ...You've overlooked one VERY important feature that the BMW lacks ..... Front wheel drive! Despite all the "ultimate driving experience" and "balance" BS which so many now avidly consume, others prefer Front wheel drive for their daily drivers, myself included.

As for higher Residuals .... Believe all that malarkey if you must ... include me out. Isn't "Residuals" effective UK Motor Trade speak for making the average mug car buying punters here in these islands pay way over the odds for their motoring when compared to elsewhere? As for the other "superior" car claims you list, a few minutes careful research with a search engine will find plenty of evidence that those highly regarded products of Bavaria (Yes, I believe UK spec 3 series are actually made in SA) will present a differing picture. There's plenty of disillusioned BMW owners about if anyone cares to look.

Reminds me of my neighbour - bit of a big head but OK really. At a party he verbally chastised me on my choice of cars ( I have several ) and went on to explain the superior build quality of his Boxster .... few weeks later his son told me his beloved superior car self ignited on the motorway. However, I do believe the resulting engine fire was of superior build quality than those of your average Rover....... Despite hearing this news, I did not smile .... such things can and DO happen to any car..... Saw him a little later when I passed him in my old Monty Turbo ... driving his Porkka more slowly than previously ... I wonder why....

Visiting a local and major UK car salvage company with my son recently (he wanted to update the rear light assemblies on his early Rover Metro with later spec ones which are "well cool" apparently .... ) I saw no less than three burnt out Porkkas and two similarly toasted Z3s. Still, no doubt the unfortunate drivers of these cars are merely heavy and careless smokers.....

Just visited MG BBS.... one guy there has recently disposed of his company 600ti .... 450,000 on the clock never missed a beat .... However, it has been regularly serviced. EVEN I find that difficult to believe but .... the evidence is there. I thought my T16 Turbo is doing well having clocked up 110,000 this week ... still runs like new ... but his T16 600ti had starship mileage. Then there's that MG Montego taxi in the west country with a third of a million miles on the original engine and gearbox. However, it did need a new clutch at some stage so that's just another rubbishy Rover after all ....

People and their cars ... Funny old game eh ...

bloke

Biccie anyone?

bloke

You're joking right?

andrewdelvard

LoL!!!!!!!! :WINE COMES OUT OF NOSE:

Duck_Pond

"sad little man". Hmm. Forgive me if I'm wrong (wouldn't be a first) but that is also an insult.

You have to admit, you are very "doom & gloom" about MG-Rover's prospects, and you have been also very cynical about their products. The "half-wit" was just added for good measure. So my "insult" is two thirds correct, provided you're not a half-wit.

"sad little man". Yes, I am a man. "Little", well, depends on what context the comment is used in, and who I am standing next to. "sad". Hmm. I'm off down the pub with all my mates, having a laugh. You're typing into a computer, when you should be off down the pub. "Nuff said."

As for threads changing from their original idea... Look at the one in CWE. Ahahahaha or similar... started about some imbecile who has been banned from uttering the word "paki" in public. Doesn't seem to be on that subject now. I could name others, but I can't be bothered.

The thread isn't so off-topic as to be discussing the price of fish, but is on a tangent to the original comment.

Evolution is a good thing. Let's face it, how boring would Mitsubishi's range be without it?

sambo sei

but i bet it was a superior fire to a rover fire

NACRO

quote: "sad little man". Yes, I am a man. "Little", well, depends on what context the comment is used in, and who I am standing next to. "sad". Hmm. I'm off down the pub with all my mates, having a laugh. You're typing into a computer, when you should be off down the pub. Nuff said"

Personally I reckon people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones- which muppet was typing that at 12:15 am while I was out at the local bar (we don't have pubs here). I called you a sad little man not in reference to your stature in height, more the stature of some toerag who kicks of insults in a thread as he has problems coming up with any kind of coherent comments. My point about you dragging the thread off topic was valid as you were doing it merely to detract from the matter at hand ie MG Rovers failure. We are all aware that car manufacturers have made mistakes, however only one car manufacturer actually is a mistake- MG Rover.


Getting back on topic the streetwise is a dismal looking thing and bound to fail- just like all of Rovers other products have done in the past (by fail I don't mean they are bad cars more that the whole company got flushed down the pan).


On another note I just couldn't resist replying to blind john the MG evangelist quote: "As for a drive in your Maestro if I really wanted to drive one I believe you can pick them up for a weeks wages these days <<if you REALLY wanted ...... Oh really ... by the way, you're on three and a half grand a week then ....impressive"


Well firstly I've seen them advertised from £1200 upwards and as for 3 grand a week being impressive- what planet are you living on?
I'm starting to wonder whether or not you work for MG Rover! Personally I earn less than that as I'm only part time but wages of 3K a week are barely a 6 figure salary after tax, hardly unusual these days.

MooseRacer

Is an annual salary of £156k not unusual?


/depressed now/

NACRO

quote: "Is an annual salary of £156k not unusual?2

Have to admit that I topped out at somewhat shy of that figure when I worked in the states. I guess it all depends whether your peers are businessmen, work in the city, oil industry, made fortunes out of the internet before the bubble burst, are ex pats who don't pay for anything including the homes they live in (like me). Or whether they are the type of sad muppets who work for a dying car manufacturer in the midlands.

In any case the "one weeks wages" comment was based on the £1000 I've seen the MG Turbos going for.

what would scooby do

Having owned several FWD rovers and one BMW coupe I find the above statement absolutely hilarious - cheered me up no end that has

Even a dodgy old SD1 with it's manically over-sensitive power steering was better than any of the FWD stuff.

Just as a side issue my mate had a Vi and an old lady slammed into the back of him and wrote it off. He shook her hand and thanked her as he'd been trying to get rid of it for ages.. This is not a wind-up it's totally true

Rich and Mini

That'll be the one day where FWD is better than RWD. 99.99% of the time RWD is superior

Don't get me wrong, my car is FWD (Saxo VTS) and I love its handling, but a FWD Rover 620Ti or a RWD E46 325 is still a no brainer! MG-ZS 180 or 325 would be much more difficult...

Had your work mates been able to drive properly, maybe they'd of made it to work unscathed...our salesmen managed it in the heavy (!) snow we had here in the SE (I work for BMW...), which is more than can be said about the Nissan dealership across the road from us...

Rich

ScoobyJawa

Just wonder why you lot are trying to compare a 5+ (?) year old car with a brand new model? They don't make a 620Ti now so you can't compare it against a BM they do.

For arguments sake you should be comparing it with the equivalent aged BM.

Just pointing out -

Rich and Mini

Read the whole thread properly

It was said they killed off the 600 so it didn't steal sales from their 3 series range, as if they still wanted it to be in production, and the E46 came out in 1998, so it is kind of fair anyway

Rich

ScoobyJawa

I have read the whole thread. But again you're still comparing young for old, when was the 600 designed and when was the E46 designed? - at least 5 years apart each I'd guess. And if it was still sold today it would be a newer version, but its not and there isn't one, so its not a fair comparison.

MGJohn

Rich and Mini, WROTE:

>>That'll be the one day where FWD is better than RWD. 99.99% of the time RWD is superior

Don't get me wrong, my car is FWD (Saxo VTS) and I love its handling, but a FWD Rover 620Ti or a RWD E46 325 is still a no brainer! MG-ZS 180 or 325 would be much more difficult...

Had your work mates been able to drive properly, maybe they'd of made it to work unscathed...our salesmen managed it in the heavy (!) snow we had here in the SE (I work for BMW...), which is more than can be said about the Nissan dealership across the road from us...

<<

"Heavy snow in the SE" .... ... Snow is a delightful doddle in any car compared to those Ice Rink conditions that day. Those stranded and damaged BMWs I actually WITNESSED were not my mates, they were other road users. Plenty of other cars too left at roadside at all angles that exceptional morning including FRONT wheel drives AND Subarus .....

From many observations of my fellow road users, there's no doubt in my mind that a percentage of drivers are lulled into a sense of false security because they believe all the hype and sales blurb written about their cars. Hey it's a Volvo or BMW so I'll be alright come what may whilst you're in trouble because you don't drive one. With the passing of time, this evolves into maybe a sub-concious ... I'm in my superior safer vehicle, thus stands to reason I dont need to drive as safely as you because my gizmos will look after me. Oh yeah //// All those gizmos make for an impressive sales spec listing and under most conditions are a real boon. But, and it's a big BUT, no technology can cater for every contingency. It's the exceptions that catch you out .... sometimes fatally! Therefore, you can keep your 99.99%, it's that fatal 0.01% that will get YOU ..... that's all it takes. That "sideways" red 316 in my mirror was scary BIG TIME .... got away just in time ....phew!!!

Remember that "wrong" snow which froze and fouled up all the points switches on the railways sometime back. Our wonderful (and often clueless) media had a field day with that. That "wrong" snow was something else. Never seen the like of it in all my days. It consisted of small very light ***** not flakes which driven by the strong winds, gained access to all unlikely areas. Like two foot drifts INSIDE my loft and a several feet of deep drifts INSIDE my greenhouse ....in both cases through the small grill vents which faced downwards. This meant those little snow "*****", billions of them, travelled UPWARDS for crissakes. No clueless media reports ever relayed this information to my knowledge. Once inside those sensitive mechanisms, they melted to freeze up again solid overnight lower temperatures. result ....no signals or points operated safely.

No disrespect Rich and Mini, but your remarks indicate limited experience younger eyes. With the passing of time, you may just revise your thoughts and values from further, wider experience ...... provided that 0.01% you so lightly dismiss hasn't done for you in the meantime..... that's all it takes. So, keep 'em peeled.....always.

BTW, I know someone else who worked in the service reception of a BMW dealership..... some of his stories explodes the many myths .... but, you'll know all about them as you work for a similar set-up......

NACRO

MG John: So Rover products have some mysterious technology that allows them to operate when no other cars can? PMSL.

Have you ever tried reading your posts with an objective eye- you sound like a lunatic. In fact can I ask are you?

MGJohn

Here's a verbal diagram for extreme simpletons like NARCO-NACRO appears to be........

YOU re-read! My point was the benefits of FRONT WHEEL DRIVE which is not, repeat NOT peculiar to MG-R or ARG ..... dummy! Now YOU are guilty of failure to read or appreciate what other posters here have written. Even worse you've deliberately twisted my words to suit your own misguided and very prejudiced views. Thus in my opinion YOU are some kind of waste of time and I no longer wish to participate in further exchanges with such a know all, know nowt anti-brit bigot. PO to France or someplace .... Oh, already done that apparently .... praise be ...

Have a nice one .....

MGJohnsSon

Come on now dad - you've had your fun and the new batch of medicine has just arrived..

We've got better things to do than take up these peoples time, theres the rear lights on my Metro, we need to go and dig Mrs. Miggins from the ditch, as shes slid off the road in her 1750 Maxi HL and..

MGJohn

Nice one whoever you are ..... glad someone has a sense of humour ... unlike some Narky types I could mention ...

NACRO

John you sound very angry- PMSL. Often that's the first response of people without a leg to stand on. I did read your post, I was just joshing you.

It occurs to me that you are one of those people who has always been second best in life- thus your affiliation with the MGR "loser" brand.

As for life here in France it's sweet as nut thanks for asking- today it hitting 30 degrees and I'm planning to take a short trip to the seaside. Where do you live?

Duck_Pond

Sorry Nacro - have to stop you there... asking someone about where they live isn't in line with the topic of Rover's Streetwise.

MGJohn

Nacro you rascal ...I'm not angry .... face to face we'll probably discover we have much in common. However, I live in Glorious Gloucestershire which in this fabulous summer, has been exceptionally nice. Sunny, all blue skies AGAIN today .... yawn. Reminds me of parts of France ... a country I quite enjoy visiting ....

MGJohn

P.S. I have several legs ... to stand on ..

MGJohnsSon

We went to France in the Montego didnt we Dad.

I was sick on the ferry.....

MGJohn

No we didn't ... we went in a poxy VW ... the one I sold to that guy in nice NICE .... remember .... now get on with your Homework. I won't ask you agian ... where's my big belt ...

MGJohnsSon

Your big leather belt is currently acting as a fan belt on the MGA, don't you remember, the naff "Made in China" one you brought from Halfords snapped on the way to the Steam Fair.

That just leaves the elastic belt, but please don't hit me with that again....

Rich and Mini

John - you're basically saying that the reason those cars crashed were because people were driving too fast for the very dangerous driving conditions, believing their DSC etc would get them out of trouble and prevent them from crashing. This is not then the cars fault, but the driver's?? Volvos are mainly FWD, so how does that figure in your RWD argument?? I don't work in the service department by the way Oh, and the snow we had here had a layer of ice underneath just for good measure. Very dodgy in any car. I used the work's VW Transporter, has skinny little wheels and a nice torquey diesel motor, perfect for snow driving Just because I'm young, does not been I have no experience. Infact, I drove serveral new BMWs in the snow (have you?), as well as a car my dad had for the week, which was a Rover 75, and also my very modified Mini, which was by far the worse (13x7s and a very lumpy cam to blame!).

Jawa - Had the 600 still been on sale, it'd been up against the E46, regardless when they were both introduced. Hence why it was killed off, because it just couldn't compete with the E46. BMW killed it off because it was, er, out dated. Out dated cars get killed off?? They were not scared it'd steal sales from their range.

Rich