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iTrader: (1)

Lets see Subaru make a jacked up Impreza Soft Roader eh,

Oh they do dont they.......

Its called a Forrester.

bloke

MGJohn:

So you admit they are tired...I love it when people counter their own arguments

You are the one who mentioned MG's not me...as it happens I don't think they are too bad, and the MG-ZT looks suspiciously like a scooby... but then aren't they styled by the same guy? Some reviews I have seen quite like them, equally many criticise them as a rehash of a tired design...MG-ZT excepted of course, which i suspect if it had a bit more power would be a serious contender.

The fact is the 25s are well past their sell by date in whatever guise, and exercises like the streetwise are laughable...i genuinely had a real good giggle when i saw it...the brm i know wasa good car to drive in its day but aesthetically was a (sad) joke...

For the record I have owned many British cars (including an MGB roadster ) and i don't want rover to die but the the streetwise is just a joke.

bloke

Oh..and I don't own a scooby...

Da Booga

It will have shortly! The ZT260(bhp) is due to be launched within the next month or 2 if I remember correctly. The 385bhp version is due around Xmas time.

MGJohn

Still like to know your age NACRO. Truthful now. From your opinions and attitudes, you appear a f1 generation Thatcher!

NACRO

quote: "Lets see Subaru make a jacked up Impreza Soft Roader eh,

Oh they do dont they.......

Its called a Forrester."

With an AWD drivetrain........nuff said.

sambo sei

[flame suit]

i'm really quite shocked at how far some people on here's heads are up their own STi badged @rses... especially nacro.

answer me this, you continually state the BRM wasn't a success - every BRM was sold to my knowledge and it was a LIMITED EDITION unlike the 200 vi which was the standard car it was based on. I don't see you pointing out that the P1 wasn't a success because theres not many of them. also it was around the 160bhp mark from its 1.8 vvc k-series engine.

ok, so the 200 chassis isn't the greatest or newest about, but some of us are younger and can't afford a magical scoob yet, so i think having one as my first car isn't too bad. you show me an N/A 1.4 engine with over 100bhp as standard in a mass produced car made in 1995... again, not bad for a 1st car.

i personally like the looks of the new mg's, except the streetwise which just isn't to my taste. still it could be an alright car. i think they've done pretty well for themselves, think of all the new MG's on the roads and what that is doing to bost MG Rover's finances after they were shafted good and proper by a certain german company. i admit jap cars are great and this is a route i will hopefully take in future, but surely you can't all be that blood thirsty to see british comapnies fail? i haven't seen anybody wishing the death of TVR, Noble, etc. so why have you all got it in for rover? it will be nice to see the proposed RWD V8 MG ZT if it makes it into production, or will you all be praying that it dies on its @rse too?

thats just my 2p worth

[/flame suit]

NACRO

what has the P1 got to do with a BRM? We aren't doing a car comparison here- ie you slag off that car and then I slag off that one. FYI I am not a die hard Subaru enthusiast- I own an Impreza, IMHO a good but flawed vehicle.

The BRM was not a success as it diminished the Rover brand and cheapened the good name of British Racing Motors. I can't believe you've read any of what I've said or understood it or you wouldn't have posted that BS.

Anyway the topic here is the streetwise which you've agreed is a load of old ****.

Nobody wants the Brits to fail- I wish MG had some products for me to buy, unfortunately they don't.

sambo sei

note that i wasn't slagging off the P1, just pointing out that like the BRM it is a limited edition. i also fail to see how it wasn't a success?

NACRO

I don't care what you think of the P1- try reading the post before your last for the answer as to why the BRM was a failure.

I don't think I'll bother responding to your posts as you obviously don't read whats written before shooting off your mouth.

MGJohn

Saw an Oxygen Blue Streetwise today. The only one I'd seen before was grey and appeared a little understated. Transformed the appearance! That blue looked fine on the Streetwise unlike many 4x4 lookalike clones that infest our overcrowded roads now. I think some of the anti-brits on these threads may well be proved wrong - as indeed most of the anti-brits here did about the Zeds when they first appeared. The punters liked them. Maybe other punters with differing needs and tastes will also like the new Streetwise.

Worth repeating : RESERVE JUDGEMENT! esp. NACRO who may not yet be too old to learn something.....

sambo sei

nacro - i still don't understand your point about the BRM, please explain to me the reason it diminished the Rover brand?

its 1 rover i would very much like to own, ok orange grill a little tacky but imho it gets away with this because its a BRM, a special edition with something special to offer from the normal 200. plus the red leather has the pimp factor

NotoriousREV

The BRM was a limited edition of 1100 (should have beem 1500 but poor sales cut the run short). Unfortunately, Rover launched it at around the same time they started to publicise the "new" Rover 25 so sales were affected by people waiting for the new model. In fact, the price was dropped from £18k to £14 to shift the buggers, so it wasn't a sales success.

However, to say it demeans either Rover's or BRM's good names is laughable considering that 95% of the general population wouldn't have a clue what a Rover 200 BRM was. Try it in your local pub tonight: "I wouldn't buy a Rover because they painted the front grille orange on the Rover 200 BRM". I guarantee you'll get blank looks all round.

I can't see the Streetwise being a sales success either, but at least we're all talking about MG-Rover and it's getting MG-Rover press attention.

If BMW hadn't fcuked up the 75, Rover would be in a different state today. And I suggest you all drive the MG-ZS and ZT in V6 form, very enjoyable and I think that styling looks good on all the MG models.

In reality, MG-R need to find some investment and quick because the public will only support and underdog for so long.

If only they'd approached Honda instead of BMW...

NACRO

quote: "However, to say it demeans either Rover's or BRM's good names is laughable considering that 95% of the general population wouldn't have a clue what a Rover 200 BRM was. Try it in your local pub tonight: "I wouldn't buy a Rover because they painted the front grille orange on the Rover 200 BRM". I guarantee you'll get blank looks all round."

Of the other 5% the cognoscenti would regard the use of the BRM name as little more than a desperate marketing ploy. What a tarted up Rover 200Vi has got to do with British Racing Motors I haven't yet managed to work out. BTW I have never said it was a bad car- just that it was another example of Rover getting it wrong- again.

ScoobyJawa

Tarted up Vi - LOL!

I think not, it was based on a Vi, but had rather a lot more done to it than just tarting it up!

NACRO

What else did have other than the torsen diff and close ratio box? I believe it had the same engine as the Vi, same bodyshell etc etc.

Sounds like a tarted up Vi to me.

As I said I'm not saying it was a bad car by any means- just that it was another Rover failure.

what would scooby do

At least the city rover will be better built - it's a Tata Indica

Jerry*

Hmm Rover failure...

A bit like the Subaru Impreza bug-eye then !?!

Hmm.. appears that other manufacturers **** up too...

<flame suit on>

NACRO

quote:"Hmm Rover failure...A bit like the Subaru Impreza bug-eye then !?! Hmm.. appears that other manufacturers **** up too... "

Errr yes, what is your point? Just becuase this is a subaru BBS doesn't in any wat mean we are all die hard blind fans of that manufacturer unable to see their *MANY* faults- unlike the Rover apologists that is!

NACRO

OK being generous it was a *tweaked* Rover Vi- and still a failure.

Duck_Pond

To quote a list from Auto Express... UK's greatest motoring sales failures, from 50 to 1

50. Seat Arosa, 49. Lotus Elan II, 48. Vauxhall Agila, 47. Ford Probe, 46. Ford Cougar, 45. Ford Scorpio, 44. BMW 8 Series,
43. Morgan Plus4 Plus, 42. Jeep Cherokee, 41. Jag XJ220

40. Audi A2, 39. Vauxhall VX220, 38. Talbot Tagora, 37. Honda Insight, 36. Wolseley Six, 35. Vauxhall Monterey, 34. Vauxhall Sintra, 33. Nissan Almera Tino, 32. Citroen XM, 31. Isuzu Piazza

30. Ford Maverick, 29. Jensen S-V8, 28. Fiat Ulysse, 27. Peugeot 607, 26. Toyota Camry, 25. Renault Vel Satis, 24. Fiat Multipla, 23. Mitsi Space Star, 22. Daihatsu Move, 21. Citroen SM

20. Renault Avantime, 19. AC Ace, 18. MG Maestro Turbo, 17. Renault Scenic RX4, 16. Nissan Maxima, 15. Subaru SVX, 14. Panther Rio, 13. Chrysler Neon, 12. Sinclair C5, 11. Audi V8

10. Renault Sport Spider, 9. Mazda Xedos, 8. Vauxhall Corsa Cabrio, 7. Panther Solo, 6. Hyundai XG, 5. Caterham 21, 4. Honda Logo, 3. Fiat Argenta, 2. Mazda MPV, and 1. AMC Pacer.

Vauxhall haven't done too well there have they? Doh! Some surprising entries in there too.

NACRO

I can't quite see the point of your list in the context of this thread. Is any car not included in an arbitrary list put together buy some bored journalists to fill in pages in their rag therefore not a failure? BTW Auto Express seems to excel in producing lame "50 best/worst/most boring" etc articles.

Anyway despite what I just said quite an interesting list. I can see a few cars included that I'd be interested in driving including the MG Maestro Turbo.

Duck_Pond

Nacro - I put it up only for the sake of interest, and to highlight to other readers of this thread that failures aren't only restricted to Rover, Subaru etc. Stop being so picky all the time!

NACRO

So far the only company mentioned which has been a FAILURE is Rover- make of that what you will.

Ti-Andy

I agree it was sold down the River by BMW. Who also killed off one of the better cars rovers made in the form of the 620ti as they were scared it would take sales away from there 325i.

MG/Rover are a firm trying to get back up from the beatings they took from competion so scared they had to buy the firm and run it into the ground.

Even now there not actually that bad when you compare them to the non Jap competition. And are bold enough to be/try something different (Streetwise....... though I agree it's naff)

Andy

MGJohn

NACRO Wrote:

>>Anyway despite what I just said quite an interesting list. I can see a few cars included that I'd be interested in driving including the MG Maestro Turbo. <<

Good grief - there's hope for you yet!! ..... Even so, with your far too sini, cyni..... severely crap attitudes no way would I let you near my one ...

Ti-Andy WROTE:

>>I agree it was sold down the River by BMW. Who also killed off one of the better cars rovers made in the form of the 620ti as they were scared it would take sales away from there 325i.<<

Can't think of any other reason why they killed off the 600/620ti and worse still, its superb Rover T16 turbo engine. The same power unit in my R220 Tomcat Turbo is a joy to drive and a number of enthusiasts have transplanted T16 turbos into their MG Montegos and Maestros with excellent results. Not least a certain other "Andy" and his legendary and now famous white Maestro 1/4 miler .....

Safety Fast MotorinG ..... whatever you drive.

Rich and Mini

I'm no Rover hater (have grown up around them...) but there is no way anyone sane would buy a brand new 620Ti (if there was such a thing) over a new E46 325i! The Ti has the same ultimate performance, granted. But the 325 is silky smooth, has better low down torque and a higher top end. Residuals on the BM would be MUCH better than the Rover too, as well as build quality, image, interior, looks, handling, noise etc etc!

Can't see why the majority are moaning about the BRM though, cracker of a car! Excellent handling, nice looks and quick with it. A green car I like, shock horror! Can't see how the "Zed" cars are failures either, they're still selling well...

Rich

Duck_Pond

Nacro - since when has it been a crime (worth crying about, which I think you are), to evolve the thread on to a slightly different tangent? As you have made so many posts to this BBS, you ought to have picked up by now, that threads have a tendancy to involve things somewhat away from the original heading.

I could follow your advice and post lots of threads saying Failure of Ferrari, Failure of Skoda, Failure of blah blah blah, but I'd imagine it'd pi$$ off the mods on here.

If you look through the history of car manufacturers, to present day, you'll see numerous examples of makers getting into trouble, and being bought. Unfortunately for Rover, they got bought by BMW who had one or two products they wanted, and then after gaining them, they spat out the remains. Considering what they've had to overcome since then MG-Rover have made amazing progress, and will continue to do so, as long as doom-mongering, cynical half-wits like you stay away from buying them.

Now I'm going to the pub, to get some ale inside of me, and chill.

NACRO

quote: "severely crap attitudes "

Speak about yourself.....that is the only "severly crap attitude" I've heard so far on this topic, shame your argument is so weak you had to resort to that type of thing.

As for a drive in your Maestro if I really wanted to drive one I believe you can pick them up for a weeks wages these days- PMSL.

NACRO

quote: "doom-mongering, cynical half-wits like you stay away from buying them."


see above you sad little man.