mutant_matt

Guys, guys, guys. I thought we'd got beyond all this? It saddens me that this tension is back on the up again! PLEASE, don't let it get out of hand like last time as I REALLY don't want to get involved!

Matt.

harvey

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David : Why? Well why what?
Reliability : Well most people recognise there is a difference between testing a new engine to destruction on the dyno and an engine with well over 25,000 miles taken to the limit, in part to find out where that limit is, which was my declared intention in advance.
You are also aware that my car has been driven very hard for a lot of its life and you have already told me that you will be trailering your car too and from events.
You did say:

"I dont give a **** about reliability, my car was built for me

Terminal is terminal.. it was fu*cked game set and match..

Any failure which cant be fixed by a 'reboot' is terminal, just cos you had a spare cylinder head doesnt change it.. ffs adam and mark both had spare blocks.. mean anything?

Ill discuss engines or turbos.. Mark supplied both very happy I am too "

How many miles have you done so far ? Is this far enough to have an opinion on reliability?
Following your logic you obviously think that JB`s engine was "fu*cked game set and match.."
Regards 20G wheels. Well in case you had not noticed Andy`s TD05-06 20G upgrades are producing good power, low down torque, good spread and they ARE reliable. I have not heard a single person with one have a complaint.
Pat : Well I look forward to hearing from him.

Adam : "due only it would seem due to standard liner thickness being insufficent" That is the very reason I posted to you that a 2.2CDB might not be the best starting point and you agreed. I was trying to help you in a selfless way. It is now obvious that the repair is not as simple and straight forward as first thought and I am glad you have a car and engine together so your big engine can take till Christmas or longer.
Thanks for the info on the clutch. Sounds like a very useful item and I would welcome the opportunity to drive your car briefly and sensibly to check out the clutch when / if we ever meet up.

Rannoch : I note your angst. Sorry if I get under your skin.
I assume your engine is coming from SMG but I am not sure. With all the delays that have taken place and your own statement that you might not bother with a bigger engine, perhaps you will forgive my uncertainty. If you are building a bigger engine, compression ratio, bore, stroke, and cam shaft lift, duration etc, and all of genuine interest.
I see you have a heavier flywheel than me. 7kg -v- 5.2kg. I did far better at 9.2kg and as far as occasional drag starts are concerned I have gone the wrong way at 5.2kg. You are to be complimented on your 60ft times which are extremely good and consistent. I am glad that you note my concerns over your use of a paddle clutch as it was an honest attempt on my part to help you.
"To the Sassenach contingent and friends of Turbos-R-Us". Well until now I thought you were at least half a porridge wog especially with a name like `Rannoch`.
As they say on the dock in Valpariso. "Vete ala mierda". Carlos can translate. No offence meant mate.

Mark : " you BATANTLY don't understand the implications of a failed cam belt tensioner, and a cam belt that was found to be flapping around." Forgive me if I am a little thick but you have told us that the valves and pistons are ok and I did not realise, probably like John Banks, that it would take 2 months to put his engine back together.

So many interesting questions remain :-

1) Has Pat done a Lord Lucan ?
2) Should David Wallis defect to the Muppet Forum?
3) Will he make 600bhp at Well Lane?
4) Will Mikee, Rannoch, Mark, and David even make Well Lane?
5) Is Rannoch half a Porridge Wog?
6) The truth behind the time taken to rebuild JB`s engine?
7) Will Rannochs engine ever be built?
8) Will Adams engine be ready for Christmas?
9) Will a Lateral 2 litre turbo ever make 400bhp?
10) Are Andy`s turbos the best, cost effective option circa
400bhp?
11) Will Alistair Campbell join Lateral Perves?
12) Will the sun shine tomorrow?

P20SPD

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What a waist of bloody bandwidth!!

P20SPD

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Sorry Harvey, must of been thinking of something else with regards to waist. WASTE, there you go, that better.

You are also correct in the fact that there is SOME interesting stuff in this thread, but not all of it is IMO, its just the same old regurgatated cr4p. Getting pretty sick of it TBH.

We seem to have 3 weeks of peace, then 1 week of hostility! Seems like scoobynet has developed a menstrual cycle

Lighten up! perhaps you should practice what you preach eh!

Life is too short to worry about OTHER PEOPLES lives IMO, get on with your own life, thats my view!

Steven

C

Agreed - same old record gets a bit boring in here

I come here to learn - not watch people try to put each other down on the internet for gods sake!

Andy.F

Appears that not everyone agrees with that Steven Not many 56 post threads have an 1800+ read count

john banks

Who just pressed F5 1799 times ?

Trout

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Johnny,

Hit a nerve - did you miss the ?

As Andy has made clear several times - unadulterated abuse is perfectly acceptable if you have a and call it ironic.

So p*ss off

Rannoch

Trout

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Oh yeah!

Trout

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ROTFLMFAO

Andy.F

Is Rannoch really

Rolling
On
The
Floor
Licking
My
Friends
A
O

?? Answers on a postcard please !



[Edited by Andy.F - 9/6/2003 10:34:05 PM]

Trout

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Are you?

Yeuch!

Rannoch

Andy.F

No mate, I'm PMSL (there's a challenge for you)

Trout

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Dyney

There is some interesting info on this thread.
So don't spoil it with the arguing!!!

Note. No smilies!!!!

Adam M

laughing my **** off at the givatoss-o-meter.

even at this time I have the ability to avoid using acronyms.

Harvey,

no objection to your trying the clutch, couldn't see you purchasing it from my supplier though!

just wondering, since JBs engine failure was not the fault of lateral's engine builder, why is it lateral's responsibility to rebuild asap and push everyone who is waiting inline further down the queue?

With regard to the 2.2 CDB, appreciate your opinion and agree with it completely. It was the standard liner which failed as I said. I don't know if it was because it was too weak in itself or because the bore was not sufficiently supported to prevent the cylinder from distorting and thereby place undue further stress on the liner.

Either way, the 2.2 cdb starts off with a stronger liner than the 2.5 odb and it is far better supported. Aside from that, I have taken further precautions to make sure the block is as strong as it can be with the materials available for the bore and stroke I have chosen.

The Fixer

Very interesting chaps, some useful info in amongst all the bitchin, like the meter though lol

Only one way to settle it.......

"ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS"

Well Lane should be an interesting place for those with a point to prove.

Can't Wait!

David_Wallis

LMAO..

Sure livened this thread up..

Well it isnt long until well lane..

in answer to your questions I will be at well lane, I wont be getting 600hp.. but then you wont be getting 500 either.


ps..

could you explain that??

David

Trout

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Harvey,

I have considered your questions and I think there is only one I can answer in all seriousness...

Click here

Rannoch

David_Wallis

andy, you know me

I like to spout ****.. when the time comes to prove things theres allways something wrong.. not holding boost etc..

Its the fun of it..

however I would like to get some more miles on the car and run more than 0.8bar boost..

David

David_Wallis

you can tell well lane is just around the corner.

Can wait to meet up with you all again..

Luv n kisses

David

Andy.F

Might be just around the corner from you How about coming up to Star to see how much BHP you REALLY have ? It's another couple of hundred miles on the engine and you could combine it with a Crail/Knockhill trackday ?
Stevie turbo & Michael with the Legacy are coming over on the 28th.

Andy

C

But the only people with a point to prove are the "small **** brigade" who have nothing better to do than sit on the net & put other people down who achieved more than they did

It almost gets boring saying "broken record/old news/same old tune/banging the same old drum" etc

*delete as appropriate...

I shall cut & paste it next time the usual "small **** brigade" obviously have nothing better to do with thier time

The other option would be for them to save a generic post as they never have anything interesting or new to say that everyone hasnt seen a thousand thimes before

But then what do I know?, I drive a slow, knackered Evo

Andy.F

Does that make you a member of the 'big **** brigade' then Chris

Trout

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Andy,

I thought you were on holiday on the 28th which is why you couldn't come to Scooby Shoot out?

Rannoch - Good things come to those who wait

David_Wallis

chris.. lets not get personal.. its just a bit of friendly pre well lane banter..

Andy, I know spoken to stevie..
Very tempted but its scoobyshootout isnt it?

David

C

David - maybe im just a bit more blunt than everyone else?

it just p1sses me off that any half decent thread ends up the same old way because people cant keep thier personal vendettas off a public forum

I along with others are bored stupid of it!

Like I said I come here to learn about engines & stuff not watch a schoolboy fight of words

Andy - must be

Andy.F

everyone ?

Bob Rawle

this thread started with ......

Harvey,


quote:
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Do not see the need for special gaskets or piston coatings however
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I'm not aware of anyone using "special" head gaskets. Or are you referring to people using an alternative gasket to the "off the shelf" Subaru options ?

Some people are using an alternative make of gasket, which offers a wider range of thickness's, so compression can be adjusted, but I believe you are doing the same ? It's certainly what Roger Clark do, to offer different CR's, using the same pistons.

It will be very interesting to see how your new engine performs compared to you current engine.

Mark.

I posted ....


Trouble with copper is that the mating surfaces have to be almost perfectly flat for them to work (as should the gaskets be flat and parallel). Laminated steel is designed to accomodate normal vaguries.

Several different "std" Subaru gaskets available so no need for "specials" in that respect I guess.

I understand that several engine bulders of some popularity also vary the gasket thicknesses to tweak compression so seems common enough practice.

Depending on the squish design varying results would be obtained.

No other post has mentioned gaskets except Pavlo, one b4 me, ... so why was the thread started ? You may well ask !!!

BTW I'm still laughing ..... Andy F and Rannoch ... triple nice ones.

cheers

bob

Andy.F

Sorry to stray off topic and get technical but re:
I am of the opinion that once you have achieved your chosen squish clearance from piston to head, the gasket thickness should not be changed (for purposes of adjusting CR) without piston/block machining to recover the squish.
To raise CR, skimming the head would be a better option in my opinion as the optimum squish clearance would be retained.

I believe the latter was the route taken by RCM on Harveys engine.

Andy