How fast are those Fiat Coupe Turbos?
16 September 2003, 11:15 PM
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don't really want to reply to you saxo but you obviously have little or no experience of a Fiat Coupe 20VT, and further to that one with modified suspension and a little more power like the STi and RB5 and i believe a few others, Fiat didn't offer tuned models of the coupe so we have to spend the money and do it ourselves.
Anyway I don't really want to continue this on the scooby forum...sorry guys, mutual respect.
Anyway I don't really want to continue this on the scooby forum...sorry guys, mutual respect.
17 September 2003, 12:07 AM
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Little or no experience....right enough, my friend didn't have one and he didn't take me out in it and he didn't thrash the living sh*t out of it...
I liked it, nice car and very fast but its not the bag of tricks the scooby is. The impreza does everything well which is why its such an effective weapon in most situations. The coupe can crush rivals in certain tests but falls behind in others. I do 80% motorway driving.......I should have bought a coupe but for me I didn't like the looks and had always hankered after a scooby!
I liked it, nice car and very fast but its not the bag of tricks the scooby is. The impreza does everything well which is why its such an effective weapon in most situations. The coupe can crush rivals in certain tests but falls behind in others. I do 80% motorway driving.......I should have bought a coupe but for me I didn't like the looks and had always hankered after a scooby!
17 September 2003, 12:08 AM
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The reason Fiat probably didn't offer tuned versions is because 240bhp is quite enough for a factory fwd...much more and you get bad, 'I bined it into a hedge' press!
17 September 2003, 09:27 AM
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Well with some simple inexpensive mods my coupe puts out just under 300bhp, it has stiffened lowered adjustable suspension, I use it in National competition, I have been practising on tracks with various scoobies including STi's WRX's RB5's etc so I have first hand experience of how my coupe drives head to head with various cars, this includes twisties, long straights, wet dry whatever, would you like me to continue or have I made my point ??
Don't get me wrong I like scoobies and agree mostly with what you say mate, but they are not the be all and end all by any means.
Don't get me wrong I like scoobies and agree mostly with what you say mate, but they are not the be all and end all by any means.
17 September 2003, 09:37 AM
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I knew it was 220 or 240 but couldn't remember which - I thought it was safer to go with 240bhp cause you'd all go mental if I suggested they had 20 brake less 
If you re-read my posts and also the one I made at the very start of this thread all those months ago you'll see that I really like and respect the 20vt. As I said though they are totally different cars to scoobys (which I agree are not the be-all-and-end-all). My car has about 275bhp (well, for about another hour
) and I assure you you're car could not keep up with it on the sort of roads I seek out for fun. Similarly you'd waste me on smoother more sweeping roads, motorways, etc........swings and roundabouts 
If you re-read my posts and also the one I made at the very start of this thread all those months ago you'll see that I really like and respect the 20vt. As I said though they are totally different cars to scoobys (which I agree are not the be-all-and-end-all). My car has about 275bhp (well, for about another hour
) and I assure you you're car could not keep up with it on the sort of roads I seek out for fun. Similarly you'd waste me on smoother more sweeping roads, motorways, etc........swings and roundabouts
17 September 2003, 12:44 PM
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I personally wouldn't race anyone on a country road, it's quite frankly not a test of car or driver, it's a test of how dangerous you want to be and how far you are willing to go on a public road to stay in front or pass someone, it is an unacceptable risk as far as I am concerned.
Race tracks with every manner of twisty and bend is what I'm used to, "A SAFE ENVIRONMENT" no families with kids in cars for me to crash into and kill, no tractors to destroy. Everyone to their own I guess, remeber topgear don't do their head to head on a country road or the M11, they need a controlled environment i.e a track.
Just as a matter of interest, please answer honestly if not to me then just to yourself.
In your exploits round country roads and twisties where there are other drivers not involved minding their own business driving to church with the kids on board, have you ever felt that you nearly lost it or nearly caused and accident, you or someone else involved, have you ever frightened yourself, have you ever said "phew that was a close one" have you ever been beaten (what ever that means on a country road, personally I'm not sure)
If you answered any of these questions with "yes" then I hope and pray i never meet you on a public road twisty or otherwise, you are a danger to yourself and everyone around you. ONLY IF YOU ANSWERED ""yes"" OF COURSE.
Be safe my friend and be careful.
[Edited by Geoff20VTi - 9/17/2003 12:47:06 PM]
[Edited by Geoff20VTi - 9/17/2003 12:49:16 PM]
Race tracks with every manner of twisty and bend is what I'm used to, "A SAFE ENVIRONMENT" no families with kids in cars for me to crash into and kill, no tractors to destroy. Everyone to their own I guess, remeber topgear don't do their head to head on a country road or the M11, they need a controlled environment i.e a track.
Just as a matter of interest, please answer honestly if not to me then just to yourself.
In your exploits round country roads and twisties where there are other drivers not involved minding their own business driving to church with the kids on board, have you ever felt that you nearly lost it or nearly caused and accident, you or someone else involved, have you ever frightened yourself, have you ever said "phew that was a close one" have you ever been beaten (what ever that means on a country road, personally I'm not sure)
If you answered any of these questions with "yes" then I hope and pray i never meet you on a public road twisty or otherwise, you are a danger to yourself and everyone around you. ONLY IF YOU ANSWERED ""yes"" OF COURSE.
Be safe my friend and be careful.
[Edited by Geoff20VTi - 9/17/2003 12:47:06 PM]
[Edited by Geoff20VTi - 9/17/2003 12:49:16 PM]
17 September 2003, 01:50 PM
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Had a modded evo
Had a modded coupe
I don't give a monkey's gonad what anyone says - No coupe will EVER do bumpy lanes anything like the Evo could. The difference was phenomenal.
I've given both plenty down these roads. Tracks are a different matter - they're nice and smooth.
The Evo was absolutely crazy for feeling in perfect control at speeds you really couldn't get anywhere near in a coupe on unfriendly roads.
My present coupe would take my old evo above 60 and pull away from then on. Coupe rules A roads and motorways. but backroads - don't even think about it.
Like SB says, completely different horses for rather different courses.
Mostly do A roads and motorways now - Wouldn't dream of swapping back unless I started doing mostly backroads. Even then, I'd probably just slow down some - Must be getting old and sensible!
[Edited by juan - 9/17/2003 1:52:45 PM]
Had a modded coupe
I don't give a monkey's gonad what anyone says - No coupe will EVER do bumpy lanes anything like the Evo could. The difference was phenomenal.
I've given both plenty down these roads. Tracks are a different matter - they're nice and smooth.
The Evo was absolutely crazy for feeling in perfect control at speeds you really couldn't get anywhere near in a coupe on unfriendly roads.
My present coupe would take my old evo above 60 and pull away from then on. Coupe rules A roads and motorways. but backroads - don't even think about it.
Like SB says, completely different horses for rather different courses.
Mostly do A roads and motorways now - Wouldn't dream of swapping back unless I started doing mostly backroads. Even then, I'd probably just slow down some - Must be getting old and sensible!
[Edited by juan - 9/17/2003 1:52:45 PM]
17 September 2003, 02:21 PM
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Sorry SB, gotta agree with Geoff (who is by the way underselling himself - more later). Around my neck of the woods, the limiting speed factor on back roads isn't the coops handling but the imminent danger of running into a horse/cyclist/walker/tractor/bus pootling along at a granny's pace. I find that the forward visibility available on the sort of road where 4WD would start to prove advantageous is not good enough for ***** out sprinting due to the hedge factor.
As 4 Geoff, he is modestly failing to mention that he is doing VERY well in his class (road legal I think) in N.I. - he does some track based sprinting thing (my knowledge runs short here) and I think he is in his first season and his coop appears to be kicking some considerable *** - he is in danger of winning it against some tasty opposition. Remember, as alluded to by others the coop is set up for GT, the scoob for RX: I feel that the coop set-up is actually better for the sort of driving most of us do, i.e. A-road/Mway. Elsewhere the performance handling advantage of a scooby is negated by sheer danger.
That said, Scoobies have ever such a practical hatch/boot and seating for 4 in comfort; excellent for load lugging, as a taxi and for towing caravans as I am sure most of you know ;-)
[Edited by scorzon 20vT - 9/17/2003 2:22:35 PM]
As 4 Geoff, he is modestly failing to mention that he is doing VERY well in his class (road legal I think) in N.I. - he does some track based sprinting thing (my knowledge runs short here) and I think he is in his first season and his coop appears to be kicking some considerable *** - he is in danger of winning it against some tasty opposition. Remember, as alluded to by others the coop is set up for GT, the scoob for RX: I feel that the coop set-up is actually better for the sort of driving most of us do, i.e. A-road/Mway. Elsewhere the performance handling advantage of a scooby is negated by sheer danger.
That said, Scoobies have ever such a practical hatch/boot and seating for 4 in comfort; excellent for load lugging, as a taxi and for towing caravans as I am sure most of you know ;-)
[Edited by scorzon 20vT - 9/17/2003 2:22:35 PM]
17 September 2003, 03:08 PM
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Elsewhere the performance handling advantage of a scooby is negated by sheer danger
The problem could be that you've not had a good go in both on this kind of terrain and can only base opinions on the coupe which really does feel quite frightening if you try and push it on lanes (like most cars).
I've had both. I like both. I now have just coupe (eibachs / strut brace, plenty more). I prefer it and am very happy with it, but take it from me no matter how well sorted you get the coupe it is incomparable to the Jap 4WD on the backroads.
Its not even remotely close. I guess you will have to experience it for yourself to really comprehend the difference. The EVo is stuck to the road, the coupe you're just trying to keep it on the road, and at considerably lower speeds.
In terms of speed on a nice road then the coupe can compete and better ones will be faster.
Thats my lot.
I'm speaking from 1st hand experience of owning and driving both.
17 September 2003, 03:26 PM
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I have had both STi 7 and now on my second Coupe and agree that in standard form the Scooby wins hands down for cornering etc
[Edited by Jacey Boy - 9/17/2003 3:27:04 PM]
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17 September 2003, 03:41 PM
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Coupe actually corners pretty nicely, just needs much smoother roads than 4WD to do it well. Probably close on roundabouts etc. Its the bumps it can't handle. More than makes up though in other areas. Really like mine now
[Edited by juan - 9/17/2003 3:45:10 PM]
[Edited by juan - 9/17/2003 3:45:10 PM]
17 September 2003, 06:16 PM
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Yes the evo or scooby would be better at rally cross.
BTW I am also doing hillclimbs next year on some of the hairiest bumpiest narrow roads you could ever imagine, I have absolutly no doubt I will not be lagging in any way, any car can be made to handle well on any surface, it really is down to a balance depending on what type of driving you want to do, the suspension on my coupe is adjustable so I do have a few options as to what sort of terrain I will be negotiating, also I generally get no understeer, verging more on the oversteer side because I have the front wheels sitting at about -1.9 deg camber which is superb for tailing into a corner, it's all very well balanced. I would get understeer only in 2nd gear powering out of a very tight slow corner but what do you expect trying to get almost 300 horses and lbsft through the front wheels, this is where the AWD would be an distinct advantage.
There you go anyway, just be safe and sensible out there and respect your car they have been known to bite when you least expect it.
Cheers Geoff
BTW I am also doing hillclimbs next year on some of the hairiest bumpiest narrow roads you could ever imagine, I have absolutly no doubt I will not be lagging in any way, any car can be made to handle well on any surface, it really is down to a balance depending on what type of driving you want to do, the suspension on my coupe is adjustable so I do have a few options as to what sort of terrain I will be negotiating, also I generally get no understeer, verging more on the oversteer side because I have the front wheels sitting at about -1.9 deg camber which is superb for tailing into a corner, it's all very well balanced. I would get understeer only in 2nd gear powering out of a very tight slow corner but what do you expect trying to get almost 300 horses and lbsft through the front wheels, this is where the AWD would be an distinct advantage.
There you go anyway, just be safe and sensible out there and respect your car they have been known to bite when you least expect it.
Cheers Geoff
17 September 2003, 08:23 PM
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In your exploits round country roads and twisties where there are other drivers not involved minding their own business driving to church with the kids on board
) I'm not some boy racing ned.I don't get the chance to enjoy my subaru much (its nearly always on the motorway or in town) which is one of the reasons I'm selling it. When I do seek out 'fun' roads I go to the sort of twisties that are virtually single track very broken and you will be lucky to see another person or living thing. I've driven roads that I've wondered if life exists down
What is the point in seeking out twisties with other road users, cyclists, etc...thats no fun.I've never really understood people that regularly track an Impreza, etc. Its not a track car and was never meant to be. Why not get a golf tdi for the roads and a caterham, westfield or maybe even an elise for your track driving
I wouldn't race you now anyway....I just got my car put back to standard today so I've just lost about 60bhp
I simply wanted to make the point that even now as standard my car would paste yours down the sort of roads I have 'fun' on but accept you destroy me on other kinds of roads which brings me right back to my point....................they are different cars with a very different design brief
18 September 2003, 10:40 AM
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I got 260 bhp through the front and I must say I'm well impressed at how well it gets the power down (in the dry ).
Mind you the evo was hairy in the wet sometimes too in 1st and 2nd
). Mind you the evo was hairy in the wet sometimes too in 1st and 2nd
18 September 2003, 12:51 PM
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DOH, posted under alter-ego Planny = Saxo boy
A giant leap backwards my friend I want to free up several grand to chuck into my flat so I'll get something that is about £4-5k to buy and nowhere near 'subaru like' to run. I'm still fancying a 406 V6 with all the toys but I'm not sure. My priority at the moment is to shift the scooby. An early 20vt is actually a tempting car but the running costs wouldn't be much better (if at all) and I'd probably just get tempted to modify it
I'm setting my targets on having a split new M3 (whatever model they have at that time) by the time I'm 30 so I've got 5 years to go
[Edited by Planny - 9/18/2003 12:52:01 PM]
Planny = Saxo boy A giant leap backwards my friend
I want to free up several grand to chuck into my flat so I'll get something that is about £4-5k to buy and nowhere near 'subaru like' to run. I'm still fancying a 406 V6 with all the toys but I'm not sure. My priority at the moment is to shift the scooby. An early 20vt is actually a tempting car but the running costs wouldn't be much better (if at all) and I'd probably just get tempted to modify it I'm setting my targets on having a split new M3 (whatever model they have at that time) by the time I'm 30 so I've got 5 years to go
[Edited by Planny - 9/18/2003 12:52:01 PM]
19 September 2003, 06:54 PM
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I drove 1 and been in 2 others inc the 'Plus'... i just dont like them, i wasnt over impressed... i dont own a scooby or an Evo but have wanted an Evo for a long time and will look at buying one soon, I just hope when i get a go in the Evo it will go like i have imagined and not like the fiat!
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20 September 2003, 06:15 PM
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I am lucky with my 20vt ibiza, brembo's , adjustable suspension, 350bhp 295lbs ft torque turbo upgrade. Did a 0-100mph on a drag stip in 10.5 seconds, seems to cope with the power through the front wheels, rolling starts are the best, quite chuffed really.
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