darkblueturbo

thank you, P20SPD

It's looking like a VF24, TBH...

[Edited by darkblueturbo - 8/16/2003 12:49:33 PM]

Andy.F

http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001331-2.html
Originally posted by Lateral Performance Ltd
Originally posted by Lateral Performance Ltd
Apparently not !! I'm just setting the scene for how much faster it 'should' be

Steven - You want me to talk about turbos ?

Andy



[Edited by Andy.F - 8/16/2003 1:09:40 PM]

M0NEY

lmfao at P20SPD

Have to say, this topic is interesting though

P20SPD

iTrader: (1)

Whilst the topic does remain somewhat interesting, amusing yet bewildering to the unaware, whenever the word "Turbo" is mentioned on here, it seems its a free for all

harvey

iTrader: (48)

darkblueturbo: I suggest you give very serious consideration to one of Andy F's turbos. They work, they are proven and they are not a lot of money comparitively speaking. Ask anybody that has one or speak to Jonny Gav who has just got one and will be fitting it next week. I am sure he will give you his honest findings.

R19KET

Andy,

YOU are the only person to post figures relating to my car ! And that was done out of arrogance. It's amusing that all you managed to do, was show that your "127mph" was suspect, and my 13.45 500m, was quicker than your 11.7's 1/4. That must really bug you

NOT so strange that ALL of the comments you have quoted, are replies to YOUR arrogant petty snipes !

It's interesting that you only choose to single me out, whilst choosing to avoid commenting about other peoples claimed power/results/reliability ??????

If my car does turn out to be quick, you'll no doubt go on about engine size, cost, and a bunch of other things

Mark.

harvey

iTrader: (48)

"was show that your "127mph" was suspect, and my 13.45 500m, was quicker than your 11.7's 1/4. That must really bug you"

I am afraid I do not follow this. Can you explain?
Sorry if I am being thick.


[Edited by harvey - 8/16/2003 3:20:29 PM]

Scoty

Looks like Andy's in the lead with this one.......again

Sorry guys, been on here for a few years now and have to say that Andy "aint a ***, or aint the problem"

I bought one of Andy's turbos (after buying a brand new VF23 from Possum) and would buy another, and will be buying another, because they are proven.
Why would you want to spend hundreds more on a turbo when one of Andy's turbo will make more power for much less money??

If you guy's are just good friends (I don't think so) then I have nothing to say, but calling people names aint a way to cope.

One thing I have learned is when people go name calling, the are talking about themselves, "always"


I've met Andy, and he drove my car with a VF23 on it and wasn't impresed with it and recommended a TD05 FE. I took his advice and put a TD05 FE on and he was right.
To some people on this board, that would seem like Andy was trying to hustle me into buying one of his turbos, to me it's was more like Andy saying " you will be much happier with the TD05 than the VF23"
That is help I "appreciate"

I think Andy has had a "lot" of stick" on this forum about his turbo's, yet I cant see the problem?
Andy keep's it clean, above board when having a laugh, then someone gets tore into him, WTF?

Another thing I noticed, was when Alan was selling his engine, it was sold, and yet the thread remained open for discussion, and yet the thread directly above it was locked when the owner had sold his goods because one post was posted that directly did not involve the seller??

Sorry Andy/Alan, I have not asked for your permisions to coment on these topics, just e-mail me and I will retract any of the above.

Best regards

Scoty

Andy.F

No problem Scoty

Harvey - To clarify, my 11.7@127mph and 11.72@125mph and 11.94@126mph runs at totb have been deemed "suspect" by Mark.
They are too fast apparently

Marks previous years run (over 500m) was 13.45 to get to 126mph. This is deemed accurate and faster (according to Mark)

I asked the question which was preferable ?
11.70 seconds to get to 127mph or
13.45 seconds to get to 126mph


Mark please try to keep the discussion non personal.

Andy



[Edited by Andy.F - 8/16/2003 5:52:22 PM]

nom

Yeah, right - can see that happening

In the mean time, anyone want to talk about TURBOS? (as in usefully rather than competitively?)
Anyone noticed yet how darkblueturbo seems to be ignoring everyone's drivel & making up his own mind? Seems like a good idea to me

Pavlo

The gold Legacy RS hit the 10s, 500hp ATW and dog box.

Although these calculators are said to be optimistic, they don't account for a good 60ft time that you should be able to get with a 4wd car.

Paul

Andy.F

Paul

I think most of the calculators assume 2wd Auto's but on a prepared (read sticky) track running slicks. This will produce 'as quick' sometimes quicker 60' times than our scoobs will run !!

Not sure how many of the scoobs on the TRP site are actually 2wd ? I noticed the red wagon was being dyno'd on a 2wd dyno. http://www.rigoliracing.com.au/mrwrx.htmlThis would account for the high PAW figures as the losses would be much less. 500paw is probably around 550 flywheel when measured on a 2wd dyno.

Andy



[Edited by Andy.F - 8/16/2003 6:08:19 PM]

harvey

iTrader: (48)

What gold Legacy Paul? Where,when and is it a road car?
Thanks for clarifying that for me Andy. If your figures are accurate, and I am sure others will correct them if they are not, (and anyhow you are accurate in what you report anyway) then I am no longer confused.
I think questioning the accuracy of the equipment is not cricket.
If it was out for one then it would surely be out for all and that would bring into question everybodies times on that day including the good results by Steven and Rannoch.

R19KET

Andy,

LOL. Talk about the pot, calling the kettle Black

Tell you what, in future, I'll only make reference to you, in reply to a post you make relating to me !!!

Mark.

Andy.F

Mark

I'm pleased you managed to compose yourself.

Andy


Harvey - Link to gold Legacy (Liberty) which I think Paul refers tohttp://www.rigoliracing.com.au/libertyrs.htm

[Edited by Andy.F - 8/16/2003 7:02:09 PM]

R19KET

Andy,

My composure has never been less than intact, and now that I'm only going to be comunicating with you, as a REPLY (as always) it's down to you what happens !!!

Mark.

Trout

iTrader: (1)

Andy,

...and this isn't personal

...certainly there seems to be no comment from you about cars from other sources that fail to perform to their power claims - only about cars from a certain source that are not making any claims at all!

Anyway - if you didn't guess, my comment about Norris was a 'tongue in cheek remark' about his figures

In terms of your comment - I have realistic expectations about what my bench dyno will produce - and am confident that these results will be reflected in performance. And the final thing I am confident about it that it won't be producing Rigoli like results of low tens - just in case anyone was taking your post seriously.

I certainly won't have over 500-550bhp atw, which Tony assures me, from his experience, you will need to get the very low ten figures. The reason why, is that the spec of my car is for all round driving - especially road and track, and this is IMHO is not commensurate with the level of tune of an out and out drag car.

Back on topic...to keep Steven happy...

And in terms of turbos, for the last few weeks of my ownership of my standard engine, which has pleased Mr Forrest no end as he has noted elsewhere, I have been using an experimental TD Hybrid turbo. This has a number of uprated elements and is hybridised. Fitted very late for TOTB and with a basic map, and even more basic boost control - the car improved its time by over 0.6s to a 12.49, and subsequently with some decent mapping and better control is starting to produce some excellent performance from the car, all with the standard engine.

This turbo also produces very good boost figures with a low boost threshold, without surge. Whether this is at the cost of overall power remains to be seen, but with appropriate set up it would seem reasonable to expect a standard engined car using this turbo to easily improve my times by 0.2-0.4s.

By appropriate set up - I would include utilising uprated headers, uppipe and water injection - all of which is standard on my car, and on the day I had not WI. To take advantage of a turbo like this - you will need uprated fuel system - larger injectors, uprated pump and ideally an uprated regulator. You will also need an ECU remap - or a remappable ECU such as the Link, Motec etc.

IMHO I would strongly recommend a TD hybrid, and there are various types from various sources, each with different compromises - and the one I am using has been extremely satisfactory

Rannoch

Trout

iTrader: (1)

PS - just now realised that there is a page 8!

Thank you for your kind comments Harvey, whatever the results were absolutely, relatively I was very pleased and as you can see from my comments above, there is more to come with a little work and investment in this set up I hope that your car is running well again - perhaps we will see it at Scooby shoot out

Rannoch

darkblueturbo

Harvey - thanks, when it comes to buying time I shall seek out AndyF and see what he can do...

nom - Yes, I am ignoring everyone's advice and making up my own mind because they're all talking about 1/4 mile times and that's not my big thing. Not interested in a really quick 1/4 (tho it would be nice, obviously) I'd rather have a big fat torque curve, so I've been speaking to a few people off of scoobynet about it.

I'm not worried about the thread - as m0ney pointed out, it's quite interesting. It just hasn't been that much help to me other than the TD05's seem to be a lot higher rated than I thought, so I shall give them some serious consideration.

Obviously the best thing to do would be to bend the ear of some owners with different blowers to see if they'll let me have a drive.

btw - what turbo is standard in a MY 01 / 02 WRX? Cos I met a guy last night who's offloading his for an SR40. If it was one of the ones I was interested in should be able to get a good price hopefully.

R19KET

DBT,

It will be the same as you already have.

Mark.

P20SPD

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Best advice i can give you, is find a few people about that have cars running in the region of 300 to 350 with different set ups and different turbos.

Go out in the cars and get a feel for how they respond/drive in different conditions, etc, etc.

You will then know for yourself what different effects, different turbos have on the cars performance. The knowledge will be from YOUR OWN opinion, no one elses.

There will be a few people about on the board near you, that have different set ups that will probably assis with a run in their cars.

Ultimately, you must decide, as only you know what you really want, which is why it took me 2 months to choose the turbo i chose. I have been very happy with it from day 1, it has done everything I wanted it to do, to the letter. Its now doing more than i initially required.

I set my original goal of 330bhp and reasonable torque, but all i wanted was to break 300 each, and have a very useable car, everyday.

Its 1st run on the rollers produced 338bhp and 313lbft, its 2nd, with only an exhaust change, produced 343bhp and 325lbft. Dont know what it will show in October, but the headers and inlet have made a hell of a difference IMO.

Thats the other thing as well, there are so many other things to consider and apply, not just the turbo. Intercooler, fuelling, exhaust, map, etc, etc

They all play a major role in helping the turbo produce what it should IMO.

There are so many turbos out there, its unbelievable, they all have there own characteristics, so the decision may be hard.

Steven

EMS

I have experience mapping Impreza´s with different turbo´s. The VF35 is VERY high on my list of preferable turbo´s! It´s able to produce 310 - 320 BHP on a MY99, MY00 with only the exhaust system, ECU and fuel pump changed. It comes on boost about 200 RPM earlier compared to all other turbo´s capable of producing over 300 BHP. I didn´t notice ANY disadvantage of the smaller turbine housing compared to the VF30. It was able to run 1.2 bar @ 7.000 RPM without a problem, also I was able to run quite some advance at this boost (with standard TMIC).

I realy like that turbo, for every day street use!

For more BHP, you should look for a different one.

Mark.

darkblueturbo

EMS - the VF35 looks quite good then, but I'll go for P20SPDs advice and put a thread up asking to be taken for a ride in various scoobs...

P20SPD - what turbo are you running then, out of interest, cos what you've said is pretty much what I'm after...

Thanks

dougies549

Hi Darkblueturbo

I am glad that after all that has gone on with this thread you can finally come to an anwser and get the Turbo you feel best suited to your needs.

To The Rest Of you.

I wish you would all grow up, i have watched these threads before and the same thing happen's each time one guy ask's a genuine question about TURBO'S, and after 7 day's it goes to 8 page's long and all the garbage that goes with .

As my wife said why don't you all grow up and get a life.

I think that the moderater's need to open up another forum for you all to bitch to each other rather than divert from the honest question that was asked from the beginning.

Cheers Dougie

tweenierob

Some people are a bit more to blame than others..

Rob.

dougies549

Hi Tweenierob

Yeh i know where you are coming from there. I didn't point any 1 person out it is quite obvious who.

I felt i had to show what every one else see's when they come on looking for good info on this Topic.

I get to the stage that i wont even ask for help because this is where it lead's to.

I wont be continuing any more on this as that is how it got this far in the beginging

Cheers Dougie

tweenierob

Theres still some good info in there somewhere

Rob

P20SPD

iTrader: (1)

DBT, the turbo i am running is an MD304 which is a hybrid VF22.

My list of mods are as follows (as i think they are relevant)

Custom induction kit including inlet pipe
MD304 Turbo
APS FMIC
Forge Recirc Dump Valve
550cc injectors
Walbro fuel pump
Uprated fuel regulator
Link 10 row ECU
OBX Headers
3" Open neck Downpipe
HKS Hiper

Running between 1.25 and 1.3bar boost on standard internals, and the car is a MY00 UK.

I have been in quite a few scoobs now with different turbos in, VF's, other Hybrids, TD05's running 22psi, etc, and for me, the turbo i have is the onw that suits my requirements exactly. (note i said MY requirements)

I still stick by the advice of testing in others cars, that way you have a "feel" before you buy.

I have now done nearly 20,000 miles with this level of tune and now feel i have to move on. How i move on is a different matter, that no doubt would set another "interesting" debate going, but i will be using this turbo for a while longer, as i have now totally different goals to when i first started modifying the car, but still feel there is more scope to come from this turbo.

Hope that helps.

Steven

EMS

I don't think that's a good idea, if the cars are tuned by different people! (and with different ECU's used)

I have no relation to the IHI company and I have seen all the turbo's: VF28, VF23, VF30, VF35, TD05, TD05 hybrid, etc. If you want realy quick response and fast spool up and you are happy with about 310 BHP, go for the VF35!

Mark.

P20SPD

iTrader: (1)

Mark, thats why i saidThe reason i said the above, is that it is not JUST the turbo that makes a car good, everything does IMO. Therefore, experiencing different states of tune (read different mods) will give an idea has to what DBT would like to aim for.

Of course, you have tinkered and mapped more cars than i could mention, and in a position to offer better advice with regard to a Turbo, but i think you must agree, that everything must be considered, including possible future modifications.

Probably confusing the hell out of DBT now, so will shut up again, and just observe this thread, which i appeared to notice somewhat late.

Steven