Can`t believe the amount of stressheads on here, most 21 year olds drive like c**nts now and again, i did, and as i couldn`t afford powerful cars i had powerful bikes instead.
Give the lad a break, i`m sure he has got the message.

Oh and by the way, Preston to London in three hours, piece of ****.

 

Perhaps some people are jealous of you having an STI8 at 21, but thats their problem. Personally the driving you described did sound a little bit stupid but we've all done it once (or twice). Can't everyone accept that we all do stupid things once in a while and if we can learn from them then the roads will be a safer place.

 

Preston / London is 225 miles according to the AA

 

STI@21....the problem with your post was the way it worded, it gave the impression you were driving recklessly, and took delight in winding up other road users. How many time have you gone to overtake someone, and as you draw level they increase their speed ? You then have to decide whether to accelerate past them (which is usually the case if you are in a Scooby, cos you can) or have to back off (which is the case you descibe). Pisses me off big time!...all I can think is "what a t*@t - just something to tell his mates about" which is exactly what you were doing.

We all have bought scoobys because of the performance - and a day doesn't go by when I don't use that performance, (so I not coming at you with a hollier than you attitute) BUT with consideration for other road users.

Be aware, that the way things are posted on SN are often read by other people in a different way to that which you intended. I still don't condone your driving style in this case, but from what others have said you don't seem to be a reckless person, but as we are all aware it only takes one incident to change your life forever.

Congratulations at owning a scoob at 21, I wish I had, and I hope you have many more years of accident free motoring....just be aware of how your actions are interpreted, both on the road and on ScoobyNet.

Regards
Gareth

 

Let me tell you all about a little incident a few years ago (just over 3 to be precise) at 2.30am in the morning, very little traffic etc (just like the above) a young lad with his girlfriend and a high performance car.......

I'd just finished a job and had picked up the m60 after coming off the east lancs and was heading towards stockport, it was raining lightly and the road surface was wet, i was fully awake (as id only been working for around 4hours) and the 30 min trip back home was nothing.
As i was driving back home, i passed a red g reg toyota celica with a young lad and his girlfriend in it, i passed them at 65-70mph (i had an astra 1.6 mk4 car) and pulled back into the left hand lane (as there was no traffic on the road).
Now i continued at this speed as i was in no great hurry (65-70mph) so what does the guy in the celica do, as hes been overtaken? errrrrrrrrrm let me see
Oh he overtakes me as he didnt like being overtaken by a 1.6ltr car and his 2ltr was more powerful.....
So he slows back down to 70mph (quicker than he was doing before) and im behind him.
Coming up to the M56/M60 junction, another high powered car comes onto the scene, it just happens to be an audi quattro, and off these two go, no doubt averaging 80mph but they left me standing and i was still doing 65-70mph.
10 mins later..... having passed around 2-3 vehicles (one a hgv) i came towards stockport centre, the road bends up after going into a depression, so in the lhs lane (it was 2 lanes then before they made 3 less wide lanes) and its still light rain, but upon reaching the brow of this slight right hander, oh look, a vectra estate with his hazzards on (i was slowing as id seen a saab on the hard shoulder before this) so i was doing around 60mph.
I had the option of doing 3 things, the first was swerve into the rhs lane, good choice but then i saw the red celica side on (so bad choice) (i should point out that i had around 30-40m to react here and had started braking) second choice was to swerve onto the hard shoulder, another good choice except that it was wet and would likely put the car into the barrier (on a bridge) and a 30+ foot drop..... choice 3, (and by then i had no choice) was to go into the back of the vectra estate at 45-50mph (as the wheels had just locked up when i impacted him, rather hard.
So, as no-one had bothered to slow traffic or show there was an accident (it was raining and they couldnt be bothered) and i only just managed to stop the next car (he ended up where the vectra started out) and he had abs....... even the police man said there was no way of avoiding it (made me feel better except my ribs killed me as id cracked them and couldnt sleep properly for 2 weeks).
Of course, this guy was only playing with the audi (whom for some reason didnt stop at the accident ) and to avoid killing both occupants in the red celica i had to hurt myself even more (and if the idiot in the vectra would have been in the rhs lane and they had all gotten out of their cars) but as it was 2.30am in the morning and there is no traffic
Now lets put it this way...... mr sti, your in my shoes but you have your impreza sti 8, your doing 90+mph whilst i was doing 60, your reaction time is virtually halved due to speed over distance, your impact speed will be nearly twice that of what i hit the vectra at, and this is on a quiet motorway....... makes you think doesnt it?
Chances are, all your wonderful courses which tell you about this (anticipation) wouldnt work as you wouldnt have anticipated it on a quiet motorway at 2.30am, you would have been rather severely injured, but would it have taught you anything??
It taught me something, if its going to happen, it will happen, and when it does happen, you wont be able to stop it happening.
You are putting your faith into a car, NEVER do that, it will kill you. (or you could get banned before it happens!)

Tony



[Edited by TonyBurns - 6/28/2003 3:26:03 PM]

 

Does the STI8 do 90mph??

 

Tony Burns, you sound like my dad !

 

lol- whats with all this "dont judge him" rubbish?

your driving along in lane 1, ahead is someone going slower, you pull out, get level, he nails in and leaves you to pull back in.......that drivers a ****, doesnt matter if he's 21 in an sti on 89 in an aston..hes a ****!

Tiggs

ps- i drive a TVR so i wouldnt judge you, i'd beat you

 

yeah I think it does do just over 90!! I hear what everyone is saying, and I do take notice of everyones comments, whether you think I do or not. I have been doing this trip for over two years now back and forth god knows how many times. I always slow down for the cameras which I have only seen on the M25 and M6 and sometimes during road works that are there for a long time, admitly the Pug isn't as fast, but I still use to do around 85 90 in that whenever I did the trips. I have only ever had one speeding fine, and that was when I was 17, so I don't see how these cameras are catching me or the ***** in the company cars going 100+. People who speed are putting there lives and others at risk and in high performance cars you don't notice it as much cause it is more comfortable than thrashing say a 1.4. But I would have to say from my experience the speed limit should be moved to around 80, cause cars are just more powerfull than they were when the limit was set. O and I don't do this all the time, but I bet most people out there will admit to doing around 80+ whenever they are taking trips on the motorway.

 

if some people that pulled out to overtake bloody put their foot down we wouldnt have to result in that sort of fun to amuse ourselves.

number 145 was interesting to read:
i think more drivers should be made aware of this one, especially the majority of women who think its their birth right to sit the outside lane at wot ever speed they want

<rant mode off>

 

Jonto, no doubt nothing will ever happen to you
If you dont like the voice of experience then dont listen, but 10 years down the line when you give the same speech and no one listens to it and someone dies because they didnt listen (worse case scenario) then.........
All the accidents ive had in my cars have been none fault, even the astra was a non fault (company car) but ended up as a 50/50 due to me not being able to handle that one.
I have a few hates, one being overtaking and then the fool in the lane to your left increasing speed, this is dangerous as they can pull out on you because they can, the other (i saw 4 instances of this yesterday whilst taking the mondeo to the garage for its service) was people running red lights, the good thing was, these were pecan crossings with cameras on top so no doubt they will all be getting a little something though the post shortly
Roundabouts are another pet hate, its easy enough to get round one, its ashame most people cant figure how to safely [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]
Still, over 13 years of driving and no points, not alot of people can say that

Tony

[Edited by TonyBurns - 6/28/2003 4:13:22 PM]

 

Lets hope you don`t see me in my STi 8, god knows what you would think of my driving and i`m 32, non of us are perfect, but some of us think we are.
You must have some time on your hands to be writing those essay like replys, it`s saturday get out in your car and enjoy, i`m in Saudi Arabia reading this and it`s true you sound like my dad Tony.

 

Its probably because i do more driving than alot of people on here (taking my scoob is the weekend car and ive covered just under 32k in 3 years )
To me, people who havnt been driving for 6 years shouldnt even have a performance car, just look at that 18yr old in the 205 gti, how long did he own it? a week or so? just after his driving test and was it all the people inside that died?
There is the 21yr old in the impreza last week just up the road from here, killed himself and put his mate in intensive care, overtaking on the wrong side of the road at high speed, head on collision with a passat......
I think that if you look at statistics you will find that under 25's are the most likely to be killed/have an accident on the uk's roads, even when i had my first hot hatch at 23 (a brand new r19 16v which was the first in the area ) i wasnt capable of taking that car anywhere near its limits, and now 18 yr olds have them? it baffles me tbh why insurance co's dont stamp down on this, it would save them money in the long run and bring my insurance down!!
Say what you like about me sounding like your dad but ive known a few people who have either been killed in road accidents or injured, just because you may never had had an accident, it doesnt mean your a good driver.

Tony

 

You`ve got me beat mate, ever thought of politics? I`m off to talk to a camel.

 

STI@21, I'd like to ask how you are able to afford an STI8 @ 21??

Are student grants that good nowadays???

Plus your insurance must be well over £2k, even with your 4 years NCD???

 

I'm 18 and have a Saxo VTS, identical performance to a 205GTi, and same handling capabilities. I haven't died yet.

I'm pretty mature for my age, I drive within the car's limits, and my own. Don't tar us all with the same brush, I could drive a car before most people could ride a push bike.

Rich

PS - oh, and my insurance is £2000, obviously because of nobbers like the 35 year old that crashed into the back of me in my last car, at 35mph when I was stationary, writing off my pride and joy.

 

I'm 21 and also havent died yet, in my Scoob turbo. I hear what you are saying about younger drivers are more likely to drive stupidy, BUT it's hardly fair to say "not old enough for that car", hence why if we want them at our age we have to pay outrageous premiums!!

Andy

 

Rich, you will notice that i also stated that it was about 1 week after passing his driving test, and i can assure you that your car isnt quite as twitchy as a 205 gti

Tony

 

It "suffers" (that "suffers" word portrays it as bad though ) from lift off oversteer like the 205s. Maybe not quite as bad, but it does it all the same.

I passed my driving test 18 months ago, took 6 lessons to get me out of bad habits that I'd picked up after being able to drive for 11 years.

I'd have something 4wd and turbo charged now, but the insurance is just a joke. I'll wait til I'm nearly 20, methinks.

Rich

PS - Tony, I don't know how to do smilies, so excuse the lack of them where they might have been appropriate. Posts look so serious without them!

 

Some easy smiles for you just take out the spaces

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If you think that your vts has a twitchy rear, you should really try a classic shaped impreza these do have a tendancy to put you though hedges quicker than anything ive driven (and ive owned a few french hot hatches in my time )

Tony

 

Hmmmm.and people wonder why they suddenly find themselves the victim of road rage??????
Can i just ask STI 21 to explain again why he was doing this speeding up thing when someone tried to pass???
Every time he writes to justify or explain it he seems to dig himself a bigger whole ie " I pull up beside them drawing level first etc etc". " if i need to pull out in front of them again to overtake etc etc".
What??
I cant think of anything more annoying from the person overtakings point of view. Even if you did it to me, i wouldn`t suddenly speed up to get past you in a 2f2f type of game?? I would probably be the same as Tiggs and mutter something like **** before continueing on my way .
I honestly dont see the point of the post in the first place mate , other than to put yourself down. Ok, i understand how chuffed you are with the performance of your car but save it for doing something useful . If you are so good at blasting everything away then i suggest you enter ten of the best or other such events where you will be up against other driving enthusiasts instead of Joe public on his way home.
jas

 

I hate to be devils advocate Tony , but did i misunderstand your post or were you doing 60 over a brow and on a bend unable to stop within the distance which you could see to be safe,or is that the point,ie, don't take it for granted that the road ahead will be clear(and yes i do very occasionally commit the sin of the aforementioned "visable stopping distance area encroachnent",so to speak...)not having a go, just asking.

 

I dont know the person in question. But when all of us drive perfectly and make no mistakes then we can comment. I take it none of u have driven like a ****. Dont tell me u have never gone above the speed limit either. I do not condone bad driving. But at 21 you think that you are invincable. I am now 30 and a lot more reserved in my driving. All we can hope is nothing goes wrong, but if it does no one is injured. I agree with the majority and your comments but he who is without sin cast the first stone. But if you want to go quick do it on your own on deserted roads where no one else can be injured. Peace man!.

 

Cheers Tony

If someone speeds up on me when I'm overtaking, I get pissed off too. VTS isn't exactly a rocket from motorway speeds up, but it's enough to surprise a few. No chance with an Impreza though, so slowing down, tucking in behind them, a flash of the headlights and the finger usually does it

Seriously though, it's a stupid thing to do, people who aren't very aware might not even see you're actually still level with them, and will proceed to come over on you, thinking that they have passed you. Not a nice thing to happen to your new car, and witnesses will only confirm that you had indeed sped up...

Rich

 

Matty,
this was a stretch of motorway (and still is apart of the manchester ring road) the car i impacted was dark blue and wasnt parked near a lit area, when i saw his hazzards (lowish down) there was no way of stopping.
One of the reasons they changed this to 3 lanes was because there is a very slight blind spot with the barrier (which they replaced with a better barrier you can see though).
No doubt i could have slowed to 30 as i couldnt see above the slight brow of the bridge but then again i would have become a hazzard myself if i did that (especially during the day!)
TBH, you could drive that stretch of road everyday, and during the daytime you could see virtually over it, at night the human eye changes and can only see in black and white (with no light) thats why i was going 60mph and not 80 or above, and thats why it was only really noticable at night (unfortunately for me )
Even the copper said there was no way to avoid it when he saw what had happened, but the good thing was, the car i had got dropped off at the vauxhall garage very quickly after the accident (you could see the dealers from the bridge )

Tony

 

Tony, i see , the roads do sometimes leave one with no option but to take the lesser of two evils,true.Sounds like a nasty bit of road at night....

 

I bet the Merc was an SL55 AMG with 500bhp, I'm sure you had no problems with that

 

If you did this to me, I'd ram you off the ******* road!!!








Only kidding!

But seriously, I think most of you have missed the point people are trying to make.....

It isn't the stupid driving that folk are having a go at, because yes, we have all done things silly in our time, and no, none of us are "whiter than white".

What we ARE having a go at, is the fact that he is on here boasting about it, when he in fact sounds like a ******* nugget. Extremely irresponsible and immature.

 

Personally speaking it was the stupid driving,obvoiusley if he hadn't broadcast it we would have been none the wiser.

STI, at least you had the ***** to stand your corner, maybe next time you are driving like a tit you may remember this thread, if you get this feed back from people on a bbs, think what the people on road must of thought.

I could understand your reasoning if you were in say - a battered old volvo with 400 bhp - but your not going to surprise anyone in a brand new scoob are you?

cheers,

mike.

 

Tony, i suppose my driving record, that been 7 years, accident free, no points, first time pass with no minor faults and advance driving is luck more than judgement

My point is, nobody listens to mum or dad, the word nagging springs to mind. Advice offered as advice as opposed to be rammed down your throat is more acceptable.

The fact that the guy who started this post was mis read by nearly everyone. He was merely trying to get poeple to bite, he wasn't in some ones blind spot, he was level or slightly in front, and this was on a motorday, not a single lane carriage way, which IMHO isn't as bad !