EvilBevel

Akshay, the ideal answer to your question used to be Don Palmer's driving course at MIRA, but I don't think he does that anymore. He may have an alternative at Bruntingthorpe, I'm not sure. Anyone know these days ?

Link : http://www.drivingdevelopment.co.uk/

The basic idea is to minimize risks (and yes, you can flip on an airfield, even without slicks or bumps), let your car go *over* the limits (preferably in the wet), and have someone to talk you through what is happening, why you reacted how you did, and how you can "listen" to the car, the little tell-signs, how to watch for them, how the weight balance shifts etc...

FWIW, my dealer (and another one) started to organize regular airfield days with instructors, so his customers can safely explore the limits of their cars. I hope that becomes a trend.

EvilBevel

Hmmm... not gonna comment on how that incident happened (I wasn't there), maybe it was bad luck, but in my memory (unless the roundabout was put in another place) about the worst you could get was destroying your wheels on the sprinklers when you got it very wrong ? Oh well... maybe my memory is wrong here.

So even Banshi loses composure eh

I can imagine... such accidents must be a total nightmare

Aks (can I call you Aks ) your question is a good one, but just remember that if you can't tell when a car is going, you surely won't be able to catch it, and those oodles of space suddenly become uncomfortably small, and that one car that suddenly appeared was not accounted for... not moralizing, just hoping you can indeed get onto one of these courses and have a brilliant day out.

PS: and before anyone thinks I agree with Banshi, I totally disagree with his comments in the dirty pictures thread

EvilBevel

Celebration, pah I'll *never* agree with you !

Now let's stop talking and let's make room for all the real experts (about 25.000 on last count) that can really give good advice on this thread.

Oh, erm... maybe I should post a pic that was deemed "conservative" by the Dutch in 1973 That should make it take off !

I think I don't divulge any secret information that our beloved webmaster may have had some reservations about Don as an individual, but has stated that he was a FG coach totally knowing his stuff! When I was at MIRA, there was a second person, I'm ashamed I can't remember his name, but he was almost equally as good and a very nice person to boot. The course was an eye opener for someone like me.

Personally, that course was worth every penny I invested in it, and I would do it again tomorrow. But, erm... oh no... maybe I have a vested intrest in Don's business, so my post will be deleted

Sheesh Simon & mods, you really *have* made a total mess of this BBS no ?

Mail me if you want details from people who are not totally moronic

banshi

Morons???
Takes one to know one I believe!

You appear to be unable to discriminate between posts and are presently mixing topics in the manner a barman prepares coctails.

Others will be lost by this and I regret that neither a personal attack nor a political campaign will afford Aksh any benifit.

Time to bow out and allow some constructive comment?

Adrian F

i had a crash 10 years ago in a 309GTI i was driving totaly my fault and i was amazed by how the big space shrunk once i lost control of the car and i couldn't stop it from hitting a fence and ending up with one wheel in a ditch. I learnt a big lesson. If you want to play make sure it is some where with loads of space and nothing solid and some body to watch over you (call the fire brigade) if the worst happens.

Better get proffessional training.

Peugeot Sporting club use to do a anuual convention with 20 mins in skid cars at Silverstone for £15 amongest other fun things and that was enough to show me i didn't have much skill or idea what i was doing once the car got away from me it all happens very quickly. Pity i hadn't done that earlier wouldn't have driven so badly as to crash the car before.

EvilBevel

But banshi... Aks will benefit !

Of ****, I hope that you didn't take my post as a dig about your misfortune, as it wasn't, and you should KNOW that !

My comments were about the dismise of the "Wetter the Better".

I'll put on my straight jacket now as per your request and stop posting again for a few months (see my posting history).

Seems like Scoobynet has us "old ones" pretty confused eh ? Good thing the ads are still going, and the "debt collecting" has been institutionalized LOL

Simon will only reply once he gets back from Greece though :evil:

Not a dig at you, oh couch potato just amazed about how a few morons can kill off a FG resource in a matter of months.

EvilBevel

Sorry, indeed mixing up topics in a way, it's just frustrating to see so few replies on this one, as the question is really good.

The recommendation for Don Palmer still stands though

EvilBevel

Adrian, true, Pug is great in that respect (and some others, don't mention the WRC )

In my little country they are actually the only ones to have a "driving school"

Big respect to them.

http://www.maitriseautomobile.com/

Claudius

That's the way

Leslie

Lots of good advice Akshay from people who are used to cornering on the limit. The trouble is, it is a wholly practical business and you have to learn the feel for yourself. All cars handle differently With my car,because the bumpsteer mod has been done, my car no longer understeers as it used to and is neutral right up to complete loss of adhesion. The back can can be made to slide totally progressively by use of power. You have to be going faster to do that because of the improved handling. When it understeered then the method described already about backing off and then using power and steering will work very well. I used to use the same method with my racer and the best place to experiment was Gerards bend at Mallory Park which is a long fast right hander.

The difficult bit is to learn those methods in the first place. You can do it comparatively safely on an old airfield with plenty of room to spin the car in and not hit anything. I don't think roundabouts are the safest place to do that. If you could do a car handling course then I think you would profit greatly and be a safer and faster driver.

Les

madou

akshay67

Best place to learn is on a Steering Pad with a good instructor

Work on the narrow channel linked 'J' turns as well as constant radius

ian_sadler

akshay67,

Have a look here and here

Info may be a bit old but a very safe day and hellva lot of fun.