I wouldn't have any part of covering up for someone in the ways I suggested either. I just wondered, purely out of interest, how open to abuse the system is.

Part of my nature, I'm afraid, is to pick at things and see if I can find flaws and holes.

 

Turning himself in will not make any difference to the outcome, but it will help him sleep a bit better.

 

TC
Eons ago producers wern't signed, still got my second as a souvenir.
When they introduced the new ones I had to practice my mom's signature

Stranges thing is with the HOR2 they still demand the paper licence not the one with the photo. So if you conspire to concoct an illegible squiggle.............

 

A friend of mine was pulled over when driving without insurance and a car that wasn't registered in his name, he was given a producer and gave false details, obviously he never produced any documents.
This was well over six months ago now and he's not heard a thing.

Think he's got away with it.

 

also you dont have to sign the producer

one traffic cop was particuarly rude and and arrogant to me and
i refused to sign the producer (was at the end of my road and he wouldnt let me walk 20 yds-no exageration- to go get my docs from the house)
he wrote *refused to sign* in the space for it and that was it.

So the hypothetical scenario above getting someone else to do it could work.

in theory anyway.

 

Firstly, at the time of being stopped and issued with the HO/RT1 the driver would have been told that he had seven clear days from midnight of that day in which to produce the required documents at the Police Station of his choice. If he failed to produce his documents then he would be reported for the offences of not having and/or failing to produce these documents.

Once it was ascertained that the documents had not been produced, the reporting officer will submit two forms a DQ1 which is a driver enquiry to ascertain the persons licence history and a VQ1 for the vehicles history to prove date of first registration and registered keeper details. These two documents provided by the DVLA will provide evidence in respect of both the driver and the vehicle and help determine whether it is a driving without offence or failing to produce offence.

Information must then be laid before Magistrates within 6 months of the offence being commited, the summonses can be issued much later, but unless the information is laid before the Magistrates within that 6 months then the case will be struck out. This means that summonses can be issued some considerable time ofter the offence was committed, and I haveknown it take up to 12 months before the defendant actualy got to Court.

If there is no licence, then the penalty in respect of points takes effect from the moment that first licence is issued, but and disqualification takes immidiate effect as do any fines except in the case of juveniles or under age drivers where the disqual period does not take effect until they attain that minimum age.

 

the guys ****ed basically. What a total knobend and who the **** lends a car to a muppet with no licence and no insurance?

The cops are letting him stew and rightly so

 

How about this one then.
A few years ago, I was stopped for no other reason than to ask me why I was out driving at 3:00AM on a Monday morning. I was given a HO/RT1. On the sixth day I thought, better get my docs down to the nick. I couldn't find them anywhere. I did keep all the serial numbers on file on my computer. So on the seventh day I gave the police the only info I had. I was treated very fairly and given a few more days. I still couldn't find the documents. So, about two weeks later I was given a summons. The policeman said he'd checked up on the numbers I gave him but said he was sorry but he had to follow procedure. So the day came for my court appearance, I thought I'd wear my suit. Guess what I found in the pocket. So I went to court with all my documents in order. I was still fined £375 for failing to produce within the seven days. I was seriously angry at getting fined for doing nothing wrong.

 

do a citizens arrest on "Charles Bronson style"
lots of skidding cars etc.

pin him to the ground and phone the pigs!!!

it would be great, like a movie or something!!!

LOL

...before he kills someone!!!!

BB

 

If after failing to produce, don't the police/magistrates simply issue a warrant for arrest?

Watch out when your walking down the street or just getting up one morning and 'knock-knock' etc etc.

 

Warrants are only issued in certain circumstances such as failing to surrender to bail. Failing to produce is a reportable offence for which no bail conditions are imposed.

Citizens arrests can only be carried out if a member of the public is sure that an arrestable offence has been commited, because if it turns out that the restrained person was innocent then the citizen can be sued for wrongfull arrest, whereas a Police Officer only requires "Reasonable Suspicion".

 

Ok then, wait till he puts on his baggies and backward facing baseball cap!!!

B

 

just depends a mate of mine actually had this happen to him in his street and that was 4 years ago and he never heard a word!!