beemerboy

i always call a chinese takeaway a chinky chonky.

whats the prob with that?
i personally think only racist people can be offended with racist remarks.
after all, when is it racism, and when is it descriptionism.

ie. out of a crowd of people you could say, thats him the ginger one?
or thats him the black one.

i am of indian descent, but born here.
i've been called a paki and stuff at school, so what.
it happens.

same as if a chinese person steals from me. he becomes a thieving chinky b4st4rd!!
where the chinky bit = descriptive.

BB

LG John

'descriptionism' Is that even a word

I see your point. I feel comfortable pointing out a guy saying, 'oh its the fat guy' or 'oh its the ginger guy over there' But, when its a black or pakistani person I stuggle and would usually say, 'its the pakistani gentlman' or 'that coloured guy over there' - which personally I think is more offensive (due ot the fact you are addressing them differently and in a different tone) than just saying, 'its the big black bloke over there' etc

beemerboy

hahah yeah true, its about how you perseve the other person will take it as well.
and of course how big the black bloke is!!! heheeheh

it's a difficult call, and i dont think racism will go away, but we can at least have a laugh about it!!
others should do to.
Boyakasha!

BB

J4CKO

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Yeah, nobody ever feels sorry for the Gingers of the world, nobody dare call a Pakistani a Paki, A Black person a ****** because they are offensive and rightly so, but if you are a Ginge you get ranked mercilessly, almost like an accepted acceptable outlet for predjudice.

Its difficult describing people without offending them, I am sure people say who's this Jackson bloke then, oh its him over there, tall, porky with curly hair !

swan

Turning this around a little. One of the issues raised I'd guess primarily by former colonies of the various European nations is how the locals (people, resources, etc.) where abused for the betterment of the colonial powers. Linked in with this is the probability that derogatory names would often be used to refer to the "natives" of those countries. Is it then any wonder that such individuals would be sensitive to being referred to in that manner?

Humans unfortunately have a long memory for such things and while many things may be forgotten, things are seldom forgiven.

ozzy

the problem with racism is you can't pick 'n choose. Gook is a very derogitory word for describing asian's. IIRC it's from around the Korean War, but mainly used in Vietnam. Yeah it may sound better than chinky, but it's far more offensive given it's origins.

What's wrong with just saying 'do you fancy a chinese'? Is it just coz it 'sounds' cool?

If you're uncomfortable saying it amongst people you don't know or in the presence of Chinese/Asian people, then that sort of answers your own question.

Stefan

[Edited by ozzy - 5/14/2003 4:13:50 PM]

davegtt

Firstly I am not racist and dont condone any racism BUT!!!!!!!

I find/found when I lived in Oldham alot of trouble came from Asians and therefore I sort of developed a hate for most of them, my gran lives in an asian community and he car gets scratched/broken into etc at every available oportunity. there is even a asian community centre there on the estate, fine by me no problem but what I dont like is if a white mans community centre was opened tomorrow it would be chaos all the riots about it, it'd probably be burned down straight away. It seems to me now that people have jumped on the bandwagon and now every 1 claims racism at any available oportunity.

There was an article in the paper about a year ago, 4 people going for a job interveiw, 1 coloured person and 3 white people a white man got the job and the coloured guy sued for not getting the job down to raceism, what about the other 2 white guys, where that leave them

it seems to me that alot of immigrants have taken over this country and its now at the stage where the white man has less rights that an asian.

I very rarely make these feels known as I know it wouldnt be nice to coloured/asians who are innocent and I know alot of u are. again none of this is raceism. I have no probelms with what ever colour u are, I'll be happy to let aliens into the country as long as they pull their fingers out and do something for the country

Canada have a real good system, u cant claim benifits in their country unless u have been working and supporting yourself for at least 3 years. think our country needs something like that to be honest, will make England a better place

please dont start giving me jip because of this post, its my opinion, Im entitled to it just like ur entitled to your but I think its a very respectable veiw

davegtt

btw when I moved to grantham its a completely different life style. there are hardly any asians apart from the chinese variety, at school I made very good friends with an Indian lad, I still know him and speak to him when I do see him. nice person. I think this proves Im not racist,

Suppose what Im trying to say is the way cities are taken over by groups and make life difficult for every1 else.

think alot of racism is down to the way the government have handled it all. if there was a bigger precence around certain areas this would avoid any fights in the street etc etc and it'll be more widely accepted. less crime etc etc and life would be much better, when the police dont give 2 ****es about anything thats happened it carrys on and drums up hatred

RB5320

my girlfriend works at a council-run old age people home. They used to have a day-care centre where OAPs could drop in for a cup of tea and a chat etc. Recently this was shut down. However, an Asian-only day-care centre has recently been opened at a different home. WTF is that all about? Political correctness gone mad. No-one would dare suggest opening a "whites-only" centre (and quite right too).

Steve

LG John

There is nothing wrong with saying that and 9 time out of ten I would. You have to remember that I'm still very young and that amoungst my friends slang is the spoken language. For that reason words that sound funny are often used if used in the correct context. Do others not sometimes find words funny just because of the way they sound when spoken? For example, if I was to shout 'gook' at the top of my voice in space and have a chuckle over the way it sounded in my head (but pay no regard to its meaning) would that make me a racist person. Remember in space nobody else could hear it so its impossible to offend anyone. Can 'simply' saying a word to yourself and close friends honestly justify you being tagged with the term racist!?

I think the racism thing has gone too far as well, as has feminism and a lot of other things. I remember once at my school one of the lads in our year was jumped by three guys from the year below one of which was a well know black bully. All three of them were armed with poles but James fought them off well. When the jannies/teachers broke it up and asked what happened the black guy said, 'he called me a ******' which was utter lies. Who do you think was dragged up before the head teacher

swan

I once heard a good test for racism. Are you prepared to make love to a person of race x? And take them home to meet your family?

MarkO

Personally, I'm not prejudiced - I hate everyone.

Nah, that's stupid. There's plenty of white people I wouldn't be prepared to sh@g or take home to see my parents - does that make me racist? Who you sleep with and introduce to your parents is irrelevant to ethnicity.

And besides, whether or not you take somebody home to see your parents is a reflection on your parents' racism (or not) - not your own.

I have to say, I find the fact that I can refer to an Irishman I know as 'Irish John' without any issues (I know more than one John), yet if he was from Pakistan I couldn't get away with calling him 'Paki John'. What's the difference? It's simply a shortening of the name. As long as he doesn't find it offensive, why do so many PC idiots think they should find it offensive on his behalf?

jasey

Swan - Are you homophobic ?

LG John

Very good example Mark I personally wouldn't rule out any lass because of race. Its true that I tend to be more attracted to white girls but there are exceptions....ashley from the last series of the Fresh Prince (hubba, hubba)

DavidBrown

But as you say, it's the "receiver", not "giver" that interprets the racism. And, I'm sure for whatever phrase you use, there will be someone out there who takes offense to it.


In the "old days", the phrase "half caste" was used, that was deemed inppropriate, so "mixed race" became the PC term to use.. but then people took offence to that, so now we're onto "multiple heritage".. but it's only a matter of time before people take offence to that, feel there's a stigma attached to the phrase, and an even more PC phrase is created.

And why is there a MOBO (Music of Black Origin) awards and not a Music of White Origin awards ?



[Edited by DavidBrown - 5/15/2003 9:51:22 AM]

MarkO

Most of the artists at the MOBO awards are white people trying to be black/cool anyway.

I also wondered why the BBC has commissioned a digital radio station for 'ethnic' music....

Chip

Quote:Wondered why the BBC has comissioned a digital radio station.

Because the BBC is racist. Thats why.
Then again when they were told to show more progs with black people on they just showed more of crimewatch.

Chip.

CarpetCleaner

people need to chill out more

I walked past a group of young Asian 'dudes' yesterday, 'hanging out' next to the kebab shop and one of them said

"White *******"

yeah yeah like I give a fvck, people of all colours just need to chill. Them saying that didn't effect me, why should it? What do words mean anyway?

Disco

I find the introduction of Black Music Awards and Black Music stations a backwards step in the fight against racism as it promotes the segregation of cultural differences. I beleive in in awards for different music styles/genres, but if the Brits were renamed the awards for Music of White Origin or similar there would be outrage and rightly so...

ozzy

Kenny,

Come on, IIRC you're 24, probably closer to 25 now. That's not very young. I could see that point if you were < 18, but you've been out of school and in the real work for the thick end of 7 years now.

Stefan

Gridlock Mikey

Oh Disco, so you hate me now then

Damn it's cool to be black and have no hang ups about it
Personally I got bored with taking out people everytime they called me ******, wog etc. Besides it got messy and I found that my friends were not really friends, they were just scared. Not a good basis for a friendship i'm sure you'd all agree.

Nowadays if I get any of that crap, i just think of the stuff i've seen and done in my life and it's easy to see the antagonists as simple insignificant pillocks. I also pride myself in being able to tell the difference between pi55 take and spite.

Feel the fear and do it anyway

Mikey

Tiggs

"Are you prepared to make love to a person of race x?"

twaddle...personaly i dont find eskimos attractive but im quite happy if Mr Eskimo doesnt find my wife attractive.

leave people to feel what they want.

Disco

Mikey: I love ya baby, even if you are black, ugly and a rocker

Even though though I'm white, handsome and fat, I'd never hate you for being less fortunate


(Damn, I was being all serious and thoughtful for once before and you dragged me back to muppetry!)

daiscooby

If we are all honest there is not one person who has never been a racist in one way shape or form. From thinking stupid English pr1ck when Wales get beat at rugby and Austin Healey looks smug. To sicko ****'s setting houses alight cos Asians live there, to Asian cooks spunking in curries in a restaurant ( genuine case ). To my black mates dad calling me a white pr1ck. Every one of us has the potential and the motive at some point. Majority of people have balance to their beliefs and conduct. Some it takes over their lives and they are truely racists in the context of this thread.

LG John

Ozzy you are only as old as you feel mate One of the funniest/most liked/a greatest guys I know is 40 but 90% of the time acts like a big kid. He acts his age when it counts as do I. In reality I'm frequently being told I'm beyond my years and should try to enjoy myself a little more whilst I still can. That's what the Impreza has been all about I'm selling it soon to move onto more challenges (property) but thats because I want to not because society says I'm at the age I should

J4CKO

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That BBC advert for the Radio station was full of racial stereotypes anyway, see the kid doing the bang bang thing in time with the soundtrack looking all menacing, oh thats positive isnt it with all the crap around young black people and guns and So Solid Gigs being cancelled all the time, think the BBC need to re-evaluate how they do things, I saw it for what it was but I dont think most of the Daily Mail readers will have enjoyed it.

Trout

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A few observations...

Ethnicity is not the same as race. Ethnicity is cultural - i.e. Irish and English, two distinct ehtnic cultures, but the same race, i.e. caucasian.

My, much, earlier comment about caucasians not really understanding racism is evident by some of the comments here - but a wider and more interesting test is that I can think of a huge and derogatory vocabulary that describe non-caucasian races - whether black, indian, arab, pakistani, oriental, etc. However I can think of very few that apply to caucasians - other than the obvious '70s 'White Honky!'

I am sure there will be a flood of these now - but I struggled to think of any.

Finally - from a point of political correctness I am multiple heritage, half-caste or mixed race. The only word I find that describes this that is possibly offensive is mongrel - but then that would be technically incorrect anyway!

Rannoch

J4CKO

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Cool, we have a Dog of multiple heritage !