logiclee

I have realised I am now repeating myself.

For all future Mycroft wisdoms please refer to my past posts.

Its been fun. pulling teeth spring to mind.

I won't post again.

I'm off to e-mail prodrive, I have a sure way of beating the Focus and 205 next year. Anyone know what it is?

Lee

trollhunter

Pepper
forget those race teams what do they know , they didnt even buy soarers to race !!, wait till TOTB2 and you will see the power of the soarer, that guy in the diablo would laugh his **** off if he saw this post and thought back to when that toyota camry thaught he had raced a Lambo , looking/world/rose/glasses/tinted comes to mind , i dont doubt that mycrofts soarer does perform but dont kid yourself .

Mycroft

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The ratio from the input of the gearbox back doesn't change even with a torque convertor. We are not talking about changing down gears.
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Indeed it does not... but at the engine, the revs have increased and the back end hasn't... the result is that 80mph whereas before the car was 'locked' in top at 3000 rpm it now has the motor turning at say 5000rpm... the gearing has changed... it was 26.7mph/1000 and with 5000rpm and the same speed it is 16.0mph/1000 and the change in ratio and the subsequent torque multiplying stems from this... no 'changes' or 'suspension' of the ''laws'' of physics... just simple mechanics.

You may better understand by this example...

A man is riding a bicycle... he encounters a hill he choose to try to climb this hill in his 'top' gear, as he does so he slows dramatically... the torque provided by his legs is not sufficient to keep the wheels turning... he falls off... bolleaux!!! he says to himself... fvck Logiclee... tomorrow I'm trying Mycrofts lower ratio/torque multiplying method... next day he strikes out for the same hill, he remembers my advice, ''your legs have the same torque as yesterday but spin them faster'' he chooses a much lower gear... he gets to the top... ''Damn!! those gears are good at converting the same power I had yesterday into something useful''

Mycroft

Troll, I suppose with the rain there ain't a lot of space under that Bridge!..

How are you doing with the MINES ECU?..

Have you something valid to add to this thread?

Part 2...

With the ignition on, but with the engine not running remove the fuse maked 'DOME'.

Pepper

*tumbleweed blows past*

Claudius

Logiclee, you have said 3 times already in this thread that this or that post would be your last. I'm curious how long you will keep posting for LOL

Mycroft, do you know if there's a torque converter with the Foettinger for the CP9A or the CG8?

Claudius

Iain, I emailed this guy



Professor Doctor Engineer Helmut Siekmann

with the URL to this thread, asking him whether it is possible or not to have a torque converter make more power deliver to the wheels than the engine is making, which sounds impossible to me. But then again, maybe you worded it in such a manner as to make us INTERPRET it like you are saying it makes more at the wheels than at the engine, when in fact that is not what you're saying.

The thing is, you lost me here, so I guess if someone can spot your machiavelic mislead, it's this guy. If you go to http://www.siekmann-stroemungslehre....tlichungen.htm you will see that he has written 133 (one hundred and thirty three) books on fluid dynamics. SOunds like a tough tomorrow for you! LOL

polarbearit

Interesting but

Mycroft

He will agree with me, on that I have no doubt at all.

Although your motor may produce 300ftlbs at the flywheel... it probably produces 2400lb at the wheels... all cars do... ask any Rolling Road designer... to get back to the figures you see on the charts you get from the tester... the numbers are 'crunched' back to figures that 'resemble' that of a given engine... you do all understand THAT as well dont you?

polarbearit

So is that what the 'Tractive Effort' that G-Force Rolling Road printouts give relate to?

And is there an easy way of working the torque out from that...

I seem to remember a skyline owner with ~2100lbft of tractive effort claiming to have 500lbft of flywheel? torque... (which too my mind didn't seem likely as that setup usely produced about 400lbft)

Pepper

Mycroft, I'd be interested to hear why you think race teams etc favour manuals (as Lee mentioned earlier) if this system is so great...?

Mycroft

How does the motors torque become a force at the wheels and generate acceleration. All transmissions are simply a set of circular, rotating levers, and the gear ratio is the leverage, multiplying the torque of the engine. So, at the output of the transmission, we have 3.0 x 300 = 900ftlbs. The differential is a further lever-multiplier [say] 3:1, yielding 2700ftlbs at the hub [loadsa torque!]. The distance from the centre of the wheel to the ground is about a foot, therefore the maximum force that a 300ftlb engine can put to the ground in a rearward direction forcing the car forward in 1st would be 2700ftlbs!!

Now add to this the fluid gearing from the Torque converter and you have some serious torque to play with...

You see the thing to remember is that whether the cogs are metal or fluid any gearing will be a force-lever... Foettinger included... you guys really don't know your Physics at all... PMSL


[Edited by Mycroft - 5/3/2003 12:39:43 AM]

Mycroft

Let me roll another 'googly' at you... everything 'techy' I write is correct... I'll fvck around and have a laugh with anyone [except Pepper] but on tech stuff everything I type is from my head and 100% spot-on.

OK guys...try this...

My car has [lets pretend] 400hp but has the un-touched standard auto'box, the car with this box is good for a 5.5sec 0-60 and 13sec quarter. It sits on a rolling road and shows [say] 280hp at the wheels...

Now the same car run 'only' my special auto'box mods... everything else stays the same, ratios everything... only now it does 4.7sec 0-60 and 11.9 quarters... on the same rolling road with all the parameters the same in every respect and it shows 250hp at the wheels...

Why?

The only change is the box and the BETTER performance it brought... how come the RR gives the car less power. This is real World stuff... this actually happens... all the time... lets see if any of you can work out why...

Just to emphasise the point this is NOT a trick question... there is a simple explanation and it has Nothing at all to do with Rolling raod variables... this is car alone... PMSL

If any of you get this I'll be stunned...



[Edited by Mycroft - 5/3/2003 1:07:16 AM]

Claudius

I fnd it funny when he misleads others and no one but me seems to spot it, like he did with the rebound / rebound rate (very funny, that, btw ), but when I dont know jack about the subject, it annoys me after a while when Iain doesnt give it away...

... so I saw the need to get someone better than him to kick his butt

Unfortunately, that means people like the guy above. Logiclee wont do. I hope Helmut gets a few minutes and has a sense of humour... LOL

Claudius

It must have to do with the gearing, but you said that's unchanged, so torque converter / autobox it is.

The RR will think the car is in a lower gear than what it really is because you played with the torque converter or autobox ECUs.

You put more torque to the wheels due to your mod, but the RR has the setting for a standard Soarer, that's why. Right?

Claudius

You dont "infuriate" me, I think it's funny, but if I dont get it, you're the only person laughing, and that's pretty unfair I want to laugh, too, but I am not a DD, so I dont know all the stuff you mention and the stuff around it that you need to know. If you keep me in the dark, after a while I get annoyed/bored.

Pepper

Oh BTW - did you get your "info"?

PMSL

Claudius

LOL, that would be one way of putting it I guess

... but a wrong way

Pepper

HA HA HA

Anyway - what intrigues me is this:

Claudius, you seem like a normal and alright kind of guy - so why TF do you "hang around" with Mycroft?



[Edited by Redkop - 5/3/2003 7:49:55 AM]

Mycroft

I believe that Pepper has snuffed it hahaha ... I have not seen a single post from him for ages... perhaps he got bored and just stopped posting his drivel... this place is better off for not having him around tho.



[Edited by Mycroft - 5/3/2003 1:23:35 AM]

Claudius

Simple logic, although my name is not logicclaudius LOL

I didnt read much except for the howstuffworks.com thing.

Although I fail to see how you could electronically control the fluids. You must have played with the box ECU (one of the 27 ECUs in your car, or was it only 17? ) and fooled the RR with the standard Soarer settings... naughty boy LOL

Claudius

LOL

Claudius

I wonder where he is, too

BTW, tell me, Mycroft: when you put someone on your "ignore" list, do his posts actually not show to you even though they are there?

Mycroft

Pepper has snuffed it... honest... dead as peanut!

Claudius

A peanut...

He may get eaten

probably by a guy LOL

Pepper

Hey Claudius, am I on your imaginary "ignore list" as well now?

PMSL

Mycroft

Right... I'm off home... see you tomorrow Claudius... I have half an hour to clear my desk and get out...

Claudius

Ok, take care, see you tomorrow

Drive carefully

Redkop

Pepper - I am giving you a final warning about your continual, childish attempt to disrupt this thread or any other thread that Mycroft posts on. Please heed this warning!

Anymore insulting replies from you and I will contact the Webmaster and ask for further action to be taken against you!!

trollhunter

Mycroft
Re your question, are we talking about a 'Hi-stall' converter that improves the performance as this would allow the turbos to spool up and get you off the line better and also allow a little more of the 'slip' that i agree allows the turbos to work so well ??