[Edited by Dunc20 - 4/29/2003 1:56:33 PM]

 

I own both an STI8 and a clio 172.

Before I bought the scoob I raced a couple of wrx's on dual carriageways from 40mph upwards. The clio would sit on their bums the whole way. I swore I would never buy one.
However a little nag in my mind got me to a dealership and I tried an STI. A week later I owned one.
There is no way on this earth that my clio could stay with the STI. The difference in a straight line, round bends, off a cliff , anywhere you like is there to see. The Scoob whacks you backwards in your seat where as the clio is just plain quick. The scoob stops. whereas in the clio you pray
Not played with anything on the road yet and to be honest I probably won't bother. My license is dear to me and the scoob will loose it for me if I dont respect it. Its just nice to know that I could if I wanted to.
I love all the hatches etc on the road but the scoob is still king

 

Dunc

 

 

 

Iain, i didnt read your post properly, thats why i got rid of mine!

 

I have been left in a MY01 on an A road by a new shape Vectra!!!

Doing about 55mph Vectra in front, both pull out, 3rd gear floor it and the Vectra pulls a car length or two out on us.

A couple of miles on at a junction notice its badged as a 3.2V6 Elite. Further investigation through mags and these things have a 155mph top speed. Very embarassing.
Of couse of the line or down a B road it would have been different but don't expect the UK Scoob to be all conquering in all situations.

Lee

 

Basically MOD UR SCOOB...keep the flag flying

also my mates got an almost standard looking rover coupe running 280bhp+

he's spent alot of money on it so dont expect everything you race to be standard...

 

I know what you mean mate i've flet the same i was coming back from cornwall , i was on the A303 and bloke in a astra was sitting on my *** for sometime and i mean close so i floored it (bearing in mind that i've got a load on with suitcase's and stuff)
and i left him for dead but as i slowed down a few miles away he done it again and this went on all the way up to london , so i let him go to see what he had thinking it was one of them 2.2 job's and was it .... emmm no 1.6 16v my mouth just droped .
I was thinking like you mate but now i don't there are some fast cars around just love your scoob and love the look's you get and it always make's me smilie when someone take's a picture of it twice now

 

"Sadly, the hot-hatches all sit pretty tight with the scoobs, evo's, etc in the performance stakes"

Cant agree with you there Saxo Boy , EVO 4 onwards start at 280 bhp and most with simple exhaust and filter mods are running 300+ so are in a different league to a STANDARD UK scoob when they are up against hot hatches.

Have a look at some of the Star RR results, some of the standard scoobs were only putting down 130 bhp at the wheels. Their transmission losses are quite big. You can see why some of the hot hatches can give them a hard time.

http://www.scoobymods.co.uk/SRollingRoad01.htm

 

Modded and I agree with you, but an out the box EVO is about the same performance wise as my car which from a rolling start isn't enough to destroy a CTR/Focus RS (the faster of the hatches) as I think the poster is looking for (i.e. totally hump them).

I agree 110% with RB5320 Spot on mate

 

I take it then you've owned both?? How else could you comment?


As someone previously stated the impreza in it's day was a bit of a monster, we're talking what 1992 here?? Come on guys it's 10 yrs, of course the Impreza aint going to pull away from everything. In the 90's A 200bhp car was quite rare, in the present day diesels are getting near that!

 

No I've not owned both but I suppose you're now going to maintain that EVO's dramatically out accelerate 280bhp scoobs. We'll I'm a little because the EVO 7 at Crail didn't seem to be doing too good a job of it! LOL, and scooby owners have their heads in their asses???!!??

 

I,ve got an 02 STI and on the track you will be very suprised at what will keep up with you, I,ve had bog standard Vectras try and give it a good go and you dont get that far away - of course a lot is down to how much you want to trash your car and how little they care about theirs of course.

Cant comment on WRX turbos as I have not been in one.

The biggest single improvement I have ever seen in my cars performance was when the idiot driving it had proper lessons on how to drive from circuit instructors.

 

Agree with a lot of what's been said on here about Scoobies not being straight line machines or dragsters or whatever. But no one has mentioned gearing. I have a UK Turbo and I can't believe how tall 4th and 5th gears are. I think they really blunt the acceleration at high speed. It's another reason the JDM cars are a lot quicker than the UK cars. 280bnp and shorter gearing versus 215bhp and gearing that wouldn't be out of place in a Jag! But like people say, on a twisting road, in all conditions, where acceleration out of corners is important, not many cars punch as hard as a Scooby.

But at the end of the day I think it's not what you drive but how you drive it, as many track days has proved.

 

Grow up Saxo boy, where in my post did I write anything like that drivel that you have just posted?!?!?! Since when did you have a 280bhp scooby anyway?

Read my post again...

Now, where in that was *EVO's dramatically out accelerate 280bhp scoobs* in my comment??

The thread topic is with regard to UK scoobs not STI's for a start and lets not go turning a decent topic into another crapy and somewhat pointless scooby Vs Evo thread.

Regards.

[Edited by cryptwalk - 4/29/2003 6:41:43 PM]

 

Dunc20, you have probably just got used to the car. I am 23 and my MY98 does not feel as quick as it did when i got it six months back. In reality it is, but you do start to take the performance for granted.

Echoing some of the other replies, there is no way that on a bypass you will put that much distance between some of the mentioned cars cos they are quick cars too, but i suspect it might be different on twisty, wet, B roads. Thats where the Imprezas strenghts are (I know cos i live in the countryside and always drive twisty B roads, in fact what's a motorway!). On these types of roads the UK turbo is fast enough for me!

Cheers Bradders

 

I stated that an standard EVO has 'similar' performance to my modded UK. You then alluded to the fact that the EVO would never be troubled by things such as the CTR/Focus RS. You're right, both the EVO and my car won't be beaten by them - however, my whole point is from a rolling start you won't dramatically out-accelerate them either! I'm making a fair point and you were the one that started the insults by suggesting that because I haven't owned every car mentioned so far that I'm not qualified to offer an opinion. On that basis, I'd suggest its you that needs to grow up

I don't know what the power of my car is but it can put in similar acceleration to a P1 which has more accelerative gearing/diffs and 275bhp. Logic would therefore suggest I have similar power and moreover some other tek2.5 users have reported between 260-90bhp depending on rollers

 

Yawn.

How would you know? You admit to never owning an Evo. Further more you admit you dont know the power output of your car.

I did??

This just proves my point. I never suggested anything of the sort, have you a head full of magic? I fail to see how you can make such a rash comment on reading your max power performance stats. You would be in a better place to comment had you drove owned both marques.

Aye, ok.



[Edited by cryptwalk - 4/29/2003 7:15:06 PM]

 

I'm sorry but what a bunch of moaners you lot are. You drive the cult car of the times - the Escort Cossie and wall pin-up for many a young one and you still complain.

Yeh I could go and get a mini and put a turbo in it and it'll outperform a ferrari on a 0-60 stint, but it's still a mini and not a pukka car that turns heads - same with Scooby. Yeh a little punk can blow all his teenage pocket money on a selection of crummy little mods to make a 'so so' car go faster and then play with a scooby - but who cares, i'm driving a scooby!!!

Oh and I have a standard UK turbo (exhaust being fitted next week) and only last week I mashed a Porsche Boxter with two others in my car and demolish saxo vts's - not that I'm bothered at all by all that. I drive one of the fattest cars to ever be made - not a saxo or a clio or a mini or anything - A Subaru Impreza Turbo - I can also walk into a shop and buy Blitz and HKS products not the bog standard crud halfords sell but the don of mods. I like that.

Over and out - sorry if i've offended anyone (not intentional to any saxo or clio owner) but I hate hearing fortunate people moan!

 

Why are you fitting this exhaust??? think carefully - lol

 

As stated further up the list, it all depends how 'committed' you are in winning the competition. I regularly drive company cars (run of the mill 1.8/2.0/2.5l cars) on country roads, and I can honestly say that when these machines are thrashed to the limit you would have to be thrashing your beloved scoob to put much distance between. It's the same with td repmobiles, the guy driving doesn't give a **** how much stress he puts on the car.

As for dual carriage ways, I can honestly say after owning 2 MY97 300Hp UK cars i have never been overtaken (or closely tailed) by any car, especially hot hatches. And I can't believe all the comments about 4th/5th gearing, both mine (especially the present one) shove you back at 60 ish in 4th and accelerate cleanly to the red and into obscene speeds.

The fastest i've been in my current beast is 150 indicated in the rain and high wind on a private road (much like the A66) with 2up, at which point I backed off. It certainly seemed keen to go quicker though.
However, I used to drive a (modded) 24V Gsi Carlton which was a bit of a beast on the straights and it would sit at 150+ all day without blowing up, whereas in a scoob you would be mad to sustain this kind of speed.
Just as someone said before, scoobs are really not designed for this type of road.

Again, IMHO it is essential to mod a UK turbo, as the differences between standard are staggering with fairly simple add-ons (especially noticable when you return back to standard for whatever reason!).

 

Exhaust makes Scooby sound sexy ... so when someone with a peco wants to make some noise and I can drown him or her out! hehe

 

if uk scoobs are slow what are the 1/4 mile times for the jap sti ones then as im pretty curious, nost modded uk imprezas seem to do it in about the 13 sec mark do the jap boys beat this by much

 

Even if you double the power of your Scooby, you are only going to knock off ballpark three seconds from its quarter mile time. It doesn't suddenly do 7s

It is easy to overestimate the acceleration of your car compared to another, as most of the time when you are accelerating on the road, other drivers are just crusing along. When one of them is actually bothered in a car with half the power they can easily give you a hard time if they are a good driver.

When my Scooby was completely standard, E6s, E46 M3 or 996 C2 didn't just leave it in a straight line, and now it has approximately double standard power it doesn't just leave them either, and it certainly doesn't do 7s In the same way a Proton Satira GTi can surprise you with far less power - you don't just dispatch 2nd gear and it's over. Similarly my 406 in the dry can roast an STi UKs out of roundabouts if they happen to be in the wrong gear Once you have a lead you can get to a perfectly adequate cruising speed before they catch up (nothing wrong with STi UKs BTW )

Have you not had a 2.0 Focus follow you down a dry twisty bumpy road - you don't just leave it without trying

 

I am very fortunate in that I have a new WRX and a new CTR. Both great cars but the WRX is the easier to drive quickly on roads - very forgiving and flattering. The CTR is very quick but you feel it too thus it is the better tool if you want to keep your licence! On a track the CTR would be better I think due to it's precision on smooth tarmac.

But both great cars and would both stay with an M3 no sweat. The WRX would leave an M3 on wet twisties quite easily.

CTR is much better built BTW.

 

Gangsta Smurf; My Mini turns heads...and it is a 'pukka' car. Innit. Man.

Nothing to do with the noise of straight cut gears (and the exhaust, cammed engine, induction roar etc) of course Or the wheels. Or the stance.

Wow, you own an Impreza, you must be god! Etc. I thought only BMWs came with arrogance as standard, according to a lot of you lot.



Anyway, I'll soon be buying a Saxo VTS as a sensible, everyday, but reasonably fast ( for an 18 year old... ), car. Watch out standard UK Turbo guys on dry A-roads.

Rich

PS - the majority of that rant was aimed at Gangsta Smurf

 

John,

The road you descibe is just what I drive down to work and I just happen to have had a Focus 2.0 Zetec ESP before the Scoob. Speed wise there wouldn't be much in it as there isn't enough room to use the Scoobs power. I actually felt the Focus was more composed and balanced than the (Classic)Scoob on this sort of road, also has better feel.
My current car is an Alfa 156 Selespeed Veloce with lower stiffer Eibach/Bilstien suspension pack and it hates this sort of road, the mid corner bumbs upset it too much.

Lee

 

So I suppose the EVO at Crail wasn't tyring then? He must have just been out for a sunday drive Do you own an EVO by the way because you seem to (my interpretation of your posts) believe they are invincible. We all know what happened to the generation of scooby owners that thought they were untouchable

I'm sorry cryptwalk - and I mean this in the nicest possible way - but I find you to be an illogical arguer and I'll only get frustraited trying to hold a conversation with you. This doesn't mean I'm insulting you just that I see no point in continuing as it will only futher degrade the thread.

BHP, is just pub talk - I don't care if I RR mines and it said 200hp, it still does what I want it to on the road where it counts

 

to the guys a few pages back..................a CTR out accelarate a classic Scoob? no chance,sorry,disagree,

driven in both,and chased both on a track,as fast as the CTR is,it isn't as fast as a classic

imvho