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21 April 2003, 10:57 PM
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Bonkers, in summary, you ain't got a clue!... hahaha
The 285 trick works perfectly, try it and be amazed... dolt!
As to the Torsen thing, well I have never seen an explanation in a book, if you can find that then I'll put £100 in the coffers of your fav. charity too!
Full of!
[BTW, I see you have attracted a 'comedy mycroft', how fitting is that!!!]
[Edited by Mycroft - 4/21/2003 11:12:33 PM]
The 285 trick works perfectly, try it and be amazed... dolt!
As to the Torsen thing, well I have never seen an explanation in a book, if you can find that then I'll put £100 in the coffers of your fav. charity too!
Full of!
[BTW, I see you have attracted a 'comedy mycroft', how fitting is that!!!]
[Edited by Mycroft - 4/21/2003 11:12:33 PM]
22 April 2003, 12:40 AM
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Mycrofy why dont u just shut it, u talk X amount of crap and we dont care to be frank............ the guy originally asked a simple question why not give a reasonable answer and not dribble on about rubbish?
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22 April 2003, 11:51 AM
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I'm so supprised you've not been banned yet mycroft. It seems that every other message board you have been on, has eventually booted you off for pi$$ing everyone off. Looks like your doing a good job on this board too. I'm supprised you've managed to clock up 800+ posts, but then I wander how many people actually take any note of what you copy, er, I mean type.
ta ta.!
ta ta.!
22 April 2003, 05:41 PM
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How could anybody take someone seriously who thinks the Soarer is the greatest thing since sliced bread?
Mycroft you've got nothing to say and you're saying ti too loudly!
Sorry for going off topic!
Now as for the thread, i'm surprised that supra's aren't hitting lower than 10K.... Had a drive of one whilst i was shopping around a while back and they are great cars, very fast and entertaining handling, although it could get a little unruly (more so than the Mcoupe i had at the time) Much better than a 300ZX IMHO
Mycroft you've got nothing to say and you're saying ti too loudly!
Sorry for going off topic!
Now as for the thread, i'm surprised that supra's aren't hitting lower than 10K.... Had a drive of one whilst i was shopping around a while back and they are great cars, very fast and entertaining handling, although it could get a little unruly (more so than the Mcoupe i had at the time) Much better than a 300ZX IMHO
22 April 2003, 09:17 PM
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hey dipstick
you forgot the other type of supra owner , the one with no taste that couldnt afford a real car so bought a SOARER , that is one fine looking vehicle isnt it (only been hit with the ugly stick a few times, LOL) still if you save up for a few years you may be able to upgrade yourself one day.
you forgot the other type of supra owner , the one with no taste that couldnt afford a real car so bought a SOARER , that is one fine looking vehicle isnt it (only been hit with the ugly stick a few times, LOL) still if you save up for a few years you may be able to upgrade yourself one day.
22 April 2003, 10:11 PM
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Not really Mycrutch , having a modicum of taste i didnt even consider a SOARER and bought a Supra , you seem really hung up on the geeky nerd type guy dont you , i bet you havent got too many mirrors in your house eh ????
22 April 2003, 10:32 PM
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Hey ******* why dont you come have a look for yourself at Bolney , it will be the car that looks better than yours (that narrows it down to pretty much everything there) , tell you what why dont you give us all a laugh and wear a t-shirt with 'I'm MYCROFT' on it so we can all introduce ourselves and kiss and make up .
22 April 2003, 10:43 PM
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Why do so many Supra owners appear to be so aggressive and so insecure... this thread is about helping someone choose whether to buy a Supra, part of owning a Supra is all the 'baggage' that comes with it. You are not really giving a good impression are you.
Calm down and try to string a few words together that show both you and your car in a good light... theres a good chap.
[Edited by Mycroft - 4/22/2003 10:43:55 PM]
Calm down and try to string a few words together that show both you and your car in a good light... theres a good chap.
[Edited by Mycroft - 4/22/2003 10:43:55 PM]
22 April 2003, 10:47 PM
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come find me at Bolney im the 6ft7 dwarf with gold medalions bald on top with a wwf bandana driving a black/silver and brown supra , i thought you really fancied yourself as a 'hanibal lector' type , is this the best you can do 'old chap' , how very public school.
22 April 2003, 10:59 PM
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Yes, a good Education can make all the difference...
Have you nothing but insults and stupidity to add to this, at least my mickey-taking has some humour... you seem devoid of that.
Now,
J-spec or UK?
Auto or manual?
Aero or Fixed?
Have you nothing but insults and stupidity to add to this, at least my mickey-taking has some humour... you seem devoid of that.
Now,
J-spec or UK?
Auto or manual?
Aero or Fixed?
22 April 2003, 11:20 PM
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Im sorry but i dont find you very funny at all , some may but i doubt it , your right a good education is worth its weight in gold , which public school was it that you attended i didnt catch the name , you obviously dont believe that i drive a supra
J-Spec,Aerotop.TT,bodykit,wheels,BPU++, if you were allowed onto the mkiv site you would prob know who i am , ive read a few of your old posts on there and they were in fact very good but after a while they got all bitter and twisted , why was that and why do you integrate yourself into a site then start to humiliate the newbies/non tech guys when they ask what may be to you 'dumb' questions , you seem to be quite knowlegeable (???) but is this in a 'hands on' sense or just a 'ive read a lot of books' sense , BTW i have a Lexus as well for everyday use , it is an LS400.
J-Spec,Aerotop.TT,bodykit,wheels,BPU++, if you were allowed onto the mkiv site you would prob know who i am , ive read a few of your old posts on there and they were in fact very good but after a while they got all bitter and twisted , why was that and why do you integrate yourself into a site then start to humiliate the newbies/non tech guys when they ask what may be to you 'dumb' questions , you seem to be quite knowlegeable (???) but is this in a 'hands on' sense or just a 'ive read a lot of books' sense , BTW i have a Lexus as well for everyday use , it is an LS400.
22 April 2003, 11:24 PM
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aye aye trollhunter LOL!!
Mycroft - your posts are so....... so...... so.... im lost for words!
Another MKIV supra owner, using my real name!
Oh... i have 275's on the rear... that ok for you?
Mycroft - your posts are so....... so...... so.... im lost for words!
Another MKIV supra owner, using my real name!
Oh... i have 275's on the rear... that ok for you?
22 April 2003, 11:42 PM
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Troll, it is a shame that you don't like a bit a joke and that your first 4 posts paint you in such a bad light, I am sure you have 'more about you' than that invective displayed, it is a shame that you felt the need for such a display, still you have atleast started to pull back from the edge of contemptablity... I have both practical and theoretical knowledge one is a handicap without the other... FYI, I never used to humiliate 'newbies' and the like... that is anathema to me now as then... the non-tech guys... I may have been a little 'sharp' I grant that, but that is life.
I always posted on there as I have on the GTR... why the difference in the reception amazes me... still I did find a new form of entertainment thanks to the guys on the MKIV...
Adam, would you like some sort of credit for not being weak and posting in your own forum name? I too stand up and am counted... it is the only correct thing to do, others hide... that is trolls decision... we may see it as weakness... he doesn't obviously.
275 what?
I always posted on there as I have on the GTR... why the difference in the reception amazes me... still I did find a new form of entertainment thanks to the guys on the MKIV...
Adam, would you like some sort of credit for not being weak and posting in your own forum name? I too stand up and am counted... it is the only correct thing to do, others hide... that is trolls decision... we may see it as weakness... he doesn't obviously.
275 what?
22 April 2003, 11:57 PM
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She will behave better than standard and not be 'quite' so prone to the 'snake hips' shuffle. 
255's on 241mm rims is exactly wrong for our 1:50 road camber and the change over or 'break-ramp' as you leave a roundabout will cause all sorts of problems with that type of set-up combined witha Torsen diff.
255's on 241mm rims is exactly wrong for our 1:50 road camber and the change over or 'break-ramp' as you leave a roundabout will cause all sorts of problems with that type of set-up combined witha Torsen diff.
22 April 2003, 11:57 PM
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Yo Mycrutch - long time no listen to you waffle on about bugger all!
Guys justignore the poor fool - he imagines himself to have an intellect. But it's just dillusional.
C'mon m8 - what are you gonna tell your Mothers kids (assuming she remembers you) what you did in the Iraqi war? Must have been something reeeeally important! LOL!
The TIF was soooo boring without you and Fuzz licking each others *****
Guys justignore the poor fool - he imagines himself to have an intellect. But it's just dillusional.
C'mon m8 - what are you gonna tell your Mothers kids (assuming she remembers you) what you did in the Iraqi war? Must have been something reeeeally important! LOL!
The TIF was soooo boring without you and Fuzz licking each others *****
23 April 2003, 12:08 AM
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Oi Mycrutch - read this and learn what you have been bull****ting about -
The Torsen is based on a worm gear/ worm wheel relationship that allows the worm gear to turn the worm wheel but does not allow the worm wheel to turn the worm gear. Without getting too involved in the unit's complicated inner-workings, this one-way relationship causes the entire spinning process not to occur on a tire that has lost traction, while automatically allocating a majority of the available torque to the opposing tire (with a ratio that varies but can go as high as 9:1). By design, the unit divides differentiation and torque distribution into separate functions, allowing smooth, chatter-free cornering while maintaining maximum torque to both driven wheels. Because the unit is torque-sensing, power distribution is directly related to the traction available at each wheel. Unlike the True Trac (a similar worm gear differential), the Torsen does not require resistance at both wheels to activate its torque biasing process one tire can be completely off the ground and the unit will continue to distribute maximum torque to the opposing wheel.
If you need this making any clearer just let me know OK?
(He's just a bit sloooow - if you get my meaning - wink!)
The Torsen is based on a worm gear/ worm wheel relationship that allows the worm gear to turn the worm wheel but does not allow the worm wheel to turn the worm gear. Without getting too involved in the unit's complicated inner-workings, this one-way relationship causes the entire spinning process not to occur on a tire that has lost traction, while automatically allocating a majority of the available torque to the opposing tire (with a ratio that varies but can go as high as 9:1). By design, the unit divides differentiation and torque distribution into separate functions, allowing smooth, chatter-free cornering while maintaining maximum torque to both driven wheels. Because the unit is torque-sensing, power distribution is directly related to the traction available at each wheel. Unlike the True Trac (a similar worm gear differential), the Torsen does not require resistance at both wheels to activate its torque biasing process one tire can be completely off the ground and the unit will continue to distribute maximum torque to the opposing wheel.
If you need this making any clearer just let me know OK?
(He's just a bit sloooow - if you get my meaning - wink!)
23 April 2003, 12:12 AM
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That is actually wrong!
Well the last part... hahaha
This bit:-
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the Torsen does not require resistance at both wheels to activate its torque biasing process one tire can be completely off the ground and the unit will continue to distribute maximum torque to the opposing wheel.
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Written by a fool.
[Edited by Mycroft - 4/23/2003 12:16:29 AM]
Well the last part... hahaha
This bit:-
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the Torsen does not require resistance at both wheels to activate its torque biasing process one tire can be completely off the ground and the unit will continue to distribute maximum torque to the opposing wheel.
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Written by a fool.
[Edited by Mycroft - 4/23/2003 12:16:29 AM]
23 April 2003, 12:19 AM
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Mycroft you are such a bog-donkey!
And no - I believe the latter part is extremely correct.
It's time for bed - but i suspect that your evening of trolling (sic!)the net for people to talk to has just begun!
I hope they bring you joy to your life and happiness to your soul! Something one day will if you keep surfing car forums m8 - at least those that let you on!
Oh by the way - a little bird tells me your posting priveleges to the Supra site have been re-enacted
Why not join now you have the chance?
And no - I believe the latter part is extremely correct.
It's time for bed - but i suspect that your evening of trolling (sic!)the net for people to talk to has just begun!
I hope they bring you joy to your life and happiness to your soul! Something one day will if you keep surfing car forums m8 - at least those that let you on!
Oh by the way - a little bird tells me your posting priveleges to the Supra site have been re-enacted
Why not join now you have the chance?
23 April 2003, 12:24 AM
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Believe what you will, a Torsen will not behave that way... that is why I was so pleased that my car has the ATS 1.5 Locker... quality.
You get your head down matey, then tomorrow go to a Torsen website and return with your apology for the mis-information you tried to foist upon us reading this thread.
Friendly Tip, if you don't really understand things... shut the * up! hahaha
The other Mycroft... spelt MYCR0FT?... ain't me... I will never return to the MKIV... once gone... thats it!... your loss.
[Edited by Mycroft - 4/23/2003 12:28:25 AM]
You get your head down matey, then tomorrow go to a Torsen website and return with your apology for the mis-information you tried to foist upon us reading this thread.
Friendly Tip, if you don't really understand things... shut the * up! hahaha
The other Mycroft... spelt MYCR0FT?... ain't me... I will never return to the MKIV... once gone... thats it!... your loss.
[Edited by Mycroft - 4/23/2003 12:28:25 AM]
23 April 2003, 12:30 AM
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Absolutly correct - the Torsen diff will not supply torque to the 'grippy' wheel if the other has lost traction completely just like an open diff will not!
I understand the break point/roll over argument with the 255 section tyres, but why will a larger tyre/rim width ratio affect the Torsen diff torque delivery so much?
Matt
I understand the break point/roll over argument with the 255 section tyres, but why will a larger tyre/rim width ratio affect the Torsen diff torque delivery so much?
Matt
23 April 2003, 12:54 AM
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A straight forward question deserves a straight forward answer... and I thank-you for it.
The problem as you oultlined is that the torsen in truly an inveted open diff... now when the simple diff losses traction it is quite sudden and very snappy but for the most part harmless as the power is simply dissipated as burnt rubber... the torsen tries to do the opposite and as the car is weighted on opposite sides as in exiting quickly from a roundabout the same thing is done but on the sides with traction, this effectively causes 'Torque steer' from the rear end... anyone who has driven an old FWD car will know how that felt... well obviously the rear wheels don't turn but due to the natural deflection of the suspension the car does suffer this problem but with RWD you have a different problem when you back off... the diff just sees this as another opportunity to play silly buggers... if you ask anyone who as had a few 'snake hips' Supra moments then they will tell you that neither backing off or applying power works... they are right!
The solution is all to do with the 'snap' that occurs with all open diffs. even the inverted type like a Torsen, what is needed is some form of 'buffer' to absorb that 'snap' of energy... now a 255 on a 241mm rim is a very taughtly drawn carcass... there is little in the way of radial flex to take this strain... there is in fact no where near enough... you need to unstretch the carcass so as to allow it to radially flex, putting 285s' does this nicely...
The best tyres on the rear of a Supra will be the ones that have the ability to flex well radially...
The problem as you oultlined is that the torsen in truly an inveted open diff... now when the simple diff losses traction it is quite sudden and very snappy but for the most part harmless as the power is simply dissipated as burnt rubber... the torsen tries to do the opposite and as the car is weighted on opposite sides as in exiting quickly from a roundabout the same thing is done but on the sides with traction, this effectively causes 'Torque steer' from the rear end... anyone who has driven an old FWD car will know how that felt... well obviously the rear wheels don't turn but due to the natural deflection of the suspension the car does suffer this problem but with RWD you have a different problem when you back off... the diff just sees this as another opportunity to play silly buggers... if you ask anyone who as had a few 'snake hips' Supra moments then they will tell you that neither backing off or applying power works... they are right!
The solution is all to do with the 'snap' that occurs with all open diffs. even the inverted type like a Torsen, what is needed is some form of 'buffer' to absorb that 'snap' of energy... now a 255 on a 241mm rim is a very taughtly drawn carcass... there is little in the way of radial flex to take this strain... there is in fact no where near enough... you need to unstretch the carcass so as to allow it to radially flex, putting 285s' does this nicely...
The best tyres on the rear of a Supra will be the ones that have the ability to flex well radially...
23 April 2003, 01:03 AM
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BTW, I did post similar on the MKIV site almost a year ago, the 'big hitters' there shouted down the Torsen thing saying that is was just like any other 'locking' diff and didn't behave as an open one, I was, to paraphrase 'Talking out of my ahse'... this from the same guys who didn't know the correct way to check their Auto'box fluid 'til I told them... laughable really.
[Edited by Mycroft - 4/23/2003 1:06:39 AM]
[Edited by Mycroft - 4/23/2003 1:06:39 AM]
23 April 2003, 08:33 AM
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Ahha, I understand where your coming from now - All that strain energy has to be dissipated somewhere and thats how a typical Supra reacts.
Another solution maybe would be to tighten up all the compliance in the suspension joints by replacing all the rubber with rose joints (or poly bushes for the road) to force the tyre to do all the work rather than locking in energy to the suspension. Or to use a good old fashioned plate type diff :
Matt
Another solution maybe would be to tighten up all the compliance in the suspension joints by replacing all the rubber with rose joints (or poly bushes for the road) to force the tyre to do all the work rather than locking in energy to the suspension. Or to use a good old fashioned plate type diff :
Matt