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13 April 2003, 11:25 PM
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Vanqish, not to be taken too seriously as that would make you rather ****...
Fun to drive. max. poss 10points.
Well engineered. max. poss 9points.
Reliable. max. poss 7points.
Discrete. max. poss 0points.
Fast. max. poss 10points.
Rare. max. poss 10points.
Has no Rice. max. poss 10points.
Easily and cheaply changeable from road car to Track weapon. max. poss 10points.
Not known as a boy-racers car. max. poss 10points.
Is a 2 door Coupe. max. poss 10points.
Is an Auto. max. poss 10points.
Is RWD. max. poss 10points.
Remains Fatigue free. max. poss 10points.
When diving this car you must not be purposefully tailgated or stopped from merging easily into traffic. (It must not hated by the Public at large, although 'sporty cars' from jumped-up jack-*** forums are excluded from this... hahahaha) max. poss 20points.
136 points…
Fun to drive. max. poss 10points.
Well engineered. max. poss 9points.
Reliable. max. poss 7points.
Discrete. max. poss 0points.
Fast. max. poss 10points.
Rare. max. poss 10points.
Has no Rice. max. poss 10points.
Easily and cheaply changeable from road car to Track weapon. max. poss 10points.
Not known as a boy-racers car. max. poss 10points.
Is a 2 door Coupe. max. poss 10points.
Is an Auto. max. poss 10points.
Is RWD. max. poss 10points.
Remains Fatigue free. max. poss 10points.
When diving this car you must not be purposefully tailgated or stopped from merging easily into traffic. (It must not hated by the Public at large, although 'sporty cars' from jumped-up jack-*** forums are excluded from this... hahahaha) max. poss 20points.
136 points…
13 April 2003, 11:26 PM
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Cem, you know that I would be driving round in Durzels stunningly beautiful R33 LM.... that was cheating 
Just done a quick number count on the LM R33 and it gets 136 points too... so to me in real terms durzels 'old R33 was at least the equal of a Vanquish...
Oh, and trust you (A Skyline owner) to frame a question so accurately... smart-ahse.
[Edited by Mycroft - 4/13/2003 11:30:19 PM]
Just done a quick number count on the LM R33 and it gets 136 points too... so to me in real terms durzels 'old R33 was at least the equal of a Vanquish...
Oh, and trust you (A Skyline owner) to frame a question so accurately... smart-ahse.
[Edited by Mycroft - 4/13/2003 11:30:19 PM]
13 April 2003, 11:47 PM
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Supra MUCKIV… for fun not too serious…
Fun to drive. max. poss 6points.
Well engineered. max. poss 9points.
Reliable. max. poss 8points.
Discrete. max. poss 3points.
Fast. max. poss 9points.
Rare. max. poss 5points.
Has no Rice. max. poss 1point.
Easily and cheaply changeable from road car to Track weapon. max. poss 7points.
Not known as a boy-racers car. max. poss 2points.
Is a 2 door Coupe. max. poss 0points. (it’s a fvcking hatchback FFS)
Is an Auto. max. poss 10points.
Is RWD. max. poss 10points.
Remains Fatigue free. max. poss 6points.
When diving this car you must not be purposefully tailgated or stopped from merging easily into traffic. (It must not hated by the Public at large, although 'sporty cars' from jumped-up jack-*** forums are excluded from this... hahahaha) max. poss 8points.
76 points… That is about right… the supra is only half as good as Soarer and roughly equivalent to a 22B
Fun to drive. max. poss 6points.
Well engineered. max. poss 9points.
Reliable. max. poss 8points.
Discrete. max. poss 3points.
Fast. max. poss 9points.
Rare. max. poss 5points.
Has no Rice. max. poss 1point.
Easily and cheaply changeable from road car to Track weapon. max. poss 7points.
Not known as a boy-racers car. max. poss 2points.
Is a 2 door Coupe. max. poss 0points. (it’s a fvcking hatchback FFS)
Is an Auto. max. poss 10points.
Is RWD. max. poss 10points.
Remains Fatigue free. max. poss 6points.
When diving this car you must not be purposefully tailgated or stopped from merging easily into traffic. (It must not hated by the Public at large, although 'sporty cars' from jumped-up jack-*** forums are excluded from this... hahahaha) max. poss 8points.
76 points… That is about right… the supra is only half as good as Soarer and roughly equivalent to a 22B
13 April 2003, 11:48 PM
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What about appreciating other cars, even if they don't score highly on your own criteria?
For example - I'd never buy a Landrover, or a 5 series BMW, or a Renault Espace. That doesn't mean I don't think they're great at what they do though.
For example - I'd never buy a Landrover, or a 5 series BMW, or a Renault Espace. That doesn't mean I don't think they're great at what they do though.
13 April 2003, 11:48 PM
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The Vanquesh is not an auto Mycroft. It is not even a semi-auto. It has a sequential gearbox. (At heart a manual with an auto clutch)
And why do you give points for being an auto anyway? Surely you should subtract points for it being an auto. How can you have a car that is auto and a track day weapon? It is an oxymoron.
And why do you give points for being an auto anyway? Surely you should subtract points for it being an auto. How can you have a car that is auto and a track day weapon? It is an oxymoron.
13 April 2003, 11:58 PM
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Thanks for such a considered reply. Glad to know you are able continue this debate in such an educated manner. My questions were genuine, I was not trying to get at you. But if you feel that insecure about yourself and your car (having to come on other forums and being the antagonist), then that is fine. Your contributions are welcome, but make them sensible please.
14 April 2003, 12:04 AM
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Moose.. for me as I don't own a Farm or need a Land-Rover it scores zero as it isn't in the running... there are lots of cars/trucks that have great value... but in the performance car stakes Permanent 4WD, a gruff gearbox and 4 cylinders is best confined to the farm...
14 April 2003, 12:11 AM
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I'm beginning to get the feeling that you genuinely can't appreciate cars strengths if they don't fit in with your own needs. Other that or you're unwilling to list them...
14 April 2003, 12:15 AM
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Hey... insight at last... the suitability of a 3 tonne truck is entirely lost to me.. because I don't need one... but whether that 3 tonner was a DAF/Volvo/Mack/Oshkosh/or Merc... until I fall on bad times and need to drive said truck for a living... I ACTUALLY DON'T CARE!.
To make it as simple as I can.... I neither need or want 4WD, or 4 Doors (or 3 or 5), A manual g'box.
[Edited by Mycroft - 4/14/2003 12:22:28 AM]
To make it as simple as I can.... I neither need or want 4WD, or 4 Doors (or 3 or 5), A manual g'box.
[Edited by Mycroft - 4/14/2003 12:22:28 AM]
14 April 2003, 12:25 AM
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As stated on numerous threads I have participated in.. I bring a different view point... my opinions are usually quite contentious, but they are heartfelt and they always cause a stir and liven up the place...
14 April 2003, 12:36 AM
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Your last 2 posts explain why you come across so negatively.
You've no interest in the good points of any car that doesn't match your own criteria, yet you are happy to vehemently criticise what you perceive to be their faults. Or am i generalising too much?
You've no interest in the good points of any car that doesn't match your own criteria, yet you are happy to vehemently criticise what you perceive to be their faults. Or am i generalising too much?
14 April 2003, 12:46 AM
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I review their engineering faults mostly or driving experience faults I have encountered.
I have never claimed any particular unsuitability of any car to any individual (except in direct comparison as in the Fiat coupe vs Honda Teg) to any individual...
For example the honda teg coupe is a cracking car... drove one last year... fantastic, wonderful little car for me that little car is one of the great driving tools for years.
Engineering it is sweet, the suspension is so good that you can almost touch the rotational centre on the 'transmission tunnel' just in front of my (6'5")knee and that RC doesn't move hardly at all... that is why it behaves so well, no other FWD car I have since the Renault 21 Turbo has such a fine and stable RC...
That little Honda is FWD and has 4 cylinders yet it is an all time great drive... it is more fun than the best thing ever served up to me by Porsche...
I have never claimed any particular unsuitability of any car to any individual (except in direct comparison as in the Fiat coupe vs Honda Teg) to any individual...
For example the honda teg coupe is a cracking car... drove one last year... fantastic, wonderful little car for me that little car is one of the great driving tools for years.
Engineering it is sweet, the suspension is so good that you can almost touch the rotational centre on the 'transmission tunnel' just in front of my (6'5")knee and that RC doesn't move hardly at all... that is why it behaves so well, no other FWD car I have since the Renault 21 Turbo has such a fine and stable RC...
That little Honda is FWD and has 4 cylinders yet it is an all time great drive... it is more fun than the best thing ever served up to me by Porsche...
14 April 2003, 12:51 AM
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Cracking cars indeed - not without their own, equally as expensive as the FCT's, faults mind.
I never quite understand how Honda got the dynamics so right with the 'teg and have yet to get anywhere near it with their other efforts.
When I sold mine I had good reasons for selling it - they seem rather daft now
I never quite understand how Honda got the dynamics so right with the 'teg and have yet to get anywhere near it with their other efforts.
When I sold mine I had good reasons for selling it - they seem rather daft now
14 April 2003, 12:52 AM
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Mycroft,
I take it back! youv'e actually said something decent about a car at last, and it just so happens that I agree, as I do own an Interga myself, I take it back!
I take it back! youv'e actually said something decent about a car at last, and it just so happens that I agree, as I do own an Interga myself, I take it back!
14 April 2003, 12:57 AM
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You had one!
Well you had good taste...
What happened?
Anyway... the torque transition... that is a real sweet trick... inclining the shockers so that the torque reaction is equalled and annihilated by the anti-dive set-up... fan fvcking tastic! so you put your foot down and the car is still centred by your left knee... you can throw that car around like its welded to your ahse... anyone who has never driven one is missing out in my books... and missing out big time 'cos they are so cheap to own... to get a good word out of me for FWD is not easy.. only 3-4 cars have ever overcome all the faults of FWD... the little teg is a beacon of quality.
Well you had good taste...
What happened?
Anyway... the torque transition... that is a real sweet trick... inclining the shockers so that the torque reaction is equalled and annihilated by the anti-dive set-up... fan fvcking tastic! so you put your foot down and the car is still centred by your left knee... you can throw that car around like its welded to your ahse... anyone who has never driven one is missing out in my books... and missing out big time 'cos they are so cheap to own... to get a good word out of me for FWD is not easy.. only 3-4 cars have ever overcome all the faults of FWD... the little teg is a beacon of quality.
14 April 2003, 01:03 AM
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Indeed,
The Teg is 'THE' best car I have ever driven, my previous car was an EVO6 and I've owned scoobies too, but for sheer balance and purity the Teg wins every time, however, I found it a little slow so I changed the ECU to a Mugen Racing one and removed the Mainfold and exhaust system and replaced it with a complete custom built unit, got it back on Friday and tested it out and now it really moves, I did find the original springs a little soft so were relaced with Eibach progressive springs.
The Teg is 'THE' best car I have ever driven, my previous car was an EVO6 and I've owned scoobies too, but for sheer balance and purity the Teg wins every time, however, I found it a little slow so I changed the ECU to a Mugen Racing one and removed the Mainfold and exhaust system and replaced it with a complete custom built unit, got it back on Friday and tested it out and now it really moves, I did find the original springs a little soft so were relaced with Eibach progressive springs.
14 April 2003, 01:05 AM
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Integra, fantastic car - as you said anyone who hasn't driven one on the limit has missed out.
What happened?
Well, great as the ITR was, I was only using it to commute 10 miles through rushour traffic 3-4times a week. After having it vandalised several times I would never leave it anywhere remotely 'dodgy' and ended up running a 2nd car as a runabout.
I had the great idea of changing the ITR for a Westfield, and something mundane for the commuting, hence the Civic.
Well it seemed a good idea at the time
The Westie will probably stay, not so sure about the Civic 
What happened?
Well, great as the ITR was, I was only using it to commute 10 miles through rushour traffic 3-4times a week. After having it vandalised several times I would never leave it anywhere remotely 'dodgy' and ended up running a 2nd car as a runabout.
I had the great idea of changing the ITR for a Westfield, and something mundane for the commuting, hence the Civic.
Well it seemed a good idea at the time
The Westie will probably stay, not so sure about the Civic
14 April 2003, 01:23 AM
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Mycroft,
where do you get your information about aston martin buying the suspension system from toyota?
I presume its a patent since otherwise they could just reverse engineer it for free.
I only ask because my main client is the ford motor company including jaguar and aston martin and I havent heard of any such license being drafted or recorded.
is this a recent development?
where do you get your information about aston martin buying the suspension system from toyota?
I presume its a patent since otherwise they could just reverse engineer it for free.
I only ask because my main client is the ford motor company including jaguar and aston martin and I havent heard of any such license being drafted or recorded.
is this a recent development?
14 April 2003, 09:39 AM
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You've no interest in the good points of any car that doesn't match your own criteria, yet you are happy to vehemently criticise what you perceive to be their faults
Blinkered would be a kind way of putting it.
Totally closed minded would be another.
Unable to form new opinions.
Unable to take on board any new information that doesn't fit with personal view.
Unable to believe anyone else's experience with cars that don't correspond with own erroneous ill-formed opinions.
Full of self importance for some unknown reason.
Basically offering up personal opinions but trying to promote them as gospel due to assumed self importance, wheras most here are happy to hear other sides of the coins.
Claims to own the best car if the world but actually owns a Soarer. The beautiful sweeping lines of a erm .. collapsed jelly?
14 April 2003, 09:46 AM
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If you have driven a 'teg coupe then honestly a well sorted Soarer is a 'grown-up' version of that car, grown-up as in bigger and more muscled... the same solid RC in exactly the same place... the standard Soarer TT is too soft but a few minor tweaks and the car is re-born...
Cam, I have a nice new (to me) Active on a ship halfway here... and a TEMS Twin-turbo...
Cam, I have a nice new (to me) Active on a ship halfway here... and a TEMS Twin-turbo...
14 April 2003, 10:04 AM
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Juan... chill out mate, you are falling apaet here... you state things that are entirely untrue...
One at a time for you...
#Blinkered would be a kind way of putting it.#
No, opinionated... far from blinkered... otherwise I would only drive the Soarer
#Totally closed minded would be another.#
No, I read all the stuff on the car and if my experience appears to be a one off I say nowt.
#Unable to form new opinions.#
No, I have formed an opinion of you and that only happened recently.
#Unable to take on board any new information that doesn't fit with personal view.#
No, I am learning all the time. I do throw away what I consider to be dross... that is what forming an opinion is all about... discernment and not just parrot fashion utterances define the intellect...
#Unable to believe anyone else's experience with cars that don't correspond with own erroneous ill-formed opinions.#
No, I question the terms used, as an example many people mix up handling with road holding... so my questions tend to be of that sort, trying to understand at a distance the utterances of someone not from my Engineering background.
#Full of self importance for some unknown reason.#
Your own perception.
#Basically offering up personal opinions but trying to promote them as gospel due to assumed self importance, wheras most here are happy to hear other sides of the coins.#
I present the other side of the coin, most here will agree with each other... look at the posts... you say you want the other side of the coin and with me you get it... then you just bicker at me.
#Claims to own the best car if the world but actually owns a Soarer. The beautiful sweeping lines of a erm .. collapsed jelly?#
No, I claim to own a damned fine car that is not the usual easy choice, for MY purposes it is at this time the best thing out there, but for me only. Your position seems to be just a little childish. Looks are subjective... thank God otherwise you would never get laid. (if you have)
[Edited by Mycroft - 4/14/2003 10:05:15 AM]
One at a time for you...
#Blinkered would be a kind way of putting it.#
No, opinionated... far from blinkered... otherwise I would only drive the Soarer
#Totally closed minded would be another.#
No, I read all the stuff on the car and if my experience appears to be a one off I say nowt.
#Unable to form new opinions.#
No, I have formed an opinion of you and that only happened recently.
#Unable to take on board any new information that doesn't fit with personal view.#
No, I am learning all the time. I do throw away what I consider to be dross... that is what forming an opinion is all about... discernment and not just parrot fashion utterances define the intellect...
#Unable to believe anyone else's experience with cars that don't correspond with own erroneous ill-formed opinions.#
No, I question the terms used, as an example many people mix up handling with road holding... so my questions tend to be of that sort, trying to understand at a distance the utterances of someone not from my Engineering background.
#Full of self importance for some unknown reason.#
Your own perception.
#Basically offering up personal opinions but trying to promote them as gospel due to assumed self importance, wheras most here are happy to hear other sides of the coins.#
I present the other side of the coin, most here will agree with each other... look at the posts... you say you want the other side of the coin and with me you get it... then you just bicker at me.
#Claims to own the best car if the world but actually owns a Soarer. The beautiful sweeping lines of a erm .. collapsed jelly?#
No, I claim to own a damned fine car that is not the usual easy choice, for MY purposes it is at this time the best thing out there, but for me only. Your position seems to be just a little childish. Looks are subjective... thank God otherwise you would never get laid. (if you have)
[Edited by Mycroft - 4/14/2003 10:05:15 AM]