Nightmare

D - showed my girlfriend your post - she nearly died laughing Im afraid to say I object to 'label' shopping at a cellular level....and I pretty much think that black goes with everything

sunilp

Why must you lot be such snobs?.....if you can afford to buy the car then good luck to you...you're all boy racers with your big spoliers, induction kits, big bore exhausts, whoosy dump valves, uprated suspension and blacked out rear-windows...

Oh yeah, whats all this crap about Puffa jackets.....Scoobysport crew wear 'em and they'll make you lot look like learner drivers any day of the week

Sunil

Phil R

Its simple
Its not what you have got its what you do with it.
And you can guarantee that some puffin will pee all over you on the track in his 94 uk spec because quite simply he's a better driver .....
and to all the elitists who post on this BB i wish i could be there to watch

Anders

Oops my better half says my winter coat is a "Puffa jacket"! by Prada

Mick

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I am confused here as to what a 'puffa' jacket is! - Is a fleece type jacket or quilted type or what

Mick

sourob

I am looking for a scoob for around 10k too and i am definetly not a boy racer! lighten up you bunch of elitist 20k plus scoobie snobs!!!!! p.s I,ve got to come and take a peek on sunday at donnington ( only 30 mins drive away ) see you sunday . Or should i say tatty- bye!

Anders

The divergence is the "cheap and cheerful" versus the expensive long stop!

My impreza friends think nothing about upgrading their car.

There will come a point soon, that the upgrades are worth more than the car!

Anders@22B.COM

Ian Cook

Puffa Jacket = Quilt with arms

Looks like someone used a footpump on it

Diablo

Weaver -
Night - - Funny that - black is my thing too
Phil R - Spot on mate
Anders - Prada indeed! (and what have you started here???
Ian C - Nicely put

lol

D

Paul K

This is my first post on the bbs and i hoped it would be on a slightly more cheerful note . First of all regarding what Anders said about being on a parent's insurance i intend to do this , so does this instantly make me a boy racer ? To me it makes good financial sense and are you really saying that if you had an opportunity to half the insurance of your car you would not do it ?
The money you would save could go on worth while things like driver training etc.. Surely you cannot think that a bad thing ? Just because a person is young doesn't necessarily mean that they are nutters . Admittedly there is a high concentration of " boy racers " but implying that all young drivers are idiots is just ridiculous ( after all they have just passed the test so they are more up to date with the rules and will have not had time to get into bad habits etc.. )There are good drivers that are young , there are good drivers that are older but by the same token there are bad young drivers and bad older drivers . Also
although i do not condone what a typical
"boy racer" does they are generally aware of what they are doing however stupid , which in my personal opinion is preferable to "supposedly safe" drivers who swan aound in their own little world totally unaware of what they are doing or what is going on around them . Also while i'm on my high horse please don't go down the route of just because my car costs more than yours i'm better than you , because quite frankly that is total crap which is basically what some people are implying .I'm sorry if what has
been said in previous posts has been meant as light hearted and if i have taken it too seriously but i may be a bit sensitive on this subject . Being young myself i would hate to be branded a boy racer just due to my age . No offence meant to anyone involved on this thread .

Cheers Paul

Mike Owen

Emmmm...

Just a friendly word of warning.

Does not matter who's name the insurance Policy is in. Most (if not all) insurance companies will want to know who the main driver is. Come to that, on a car like the Scooby (group 17+) they will almost certainly want to restrict it to "named drivers". So if Mom insurers it and their son is put down as a "named" driver. Then that's the one that the underwriter will target. A lot of the mainstream Insurance Companies will not touch anyone under 21 and in some cases it's 25, or even 30!

I once had a friend that was wait for it... a magistrate and she insured her sons car, who then promptly took it up to Edinburgh (IE. just gone to university). I tried to point out that not only was she being naughty not pointing out that it was really her sons car. But she had given the risk address as *****, where she should had stated that it was Edinburgh! She then comes out and says "but how would they know?". I then tried to point out that Insurance Companies are not stupid. If there was an accident and it was her son driving and the place of the accident was a well know Univerity town. Then they would very quickly put two and two together. But... she would have none of it and guess what... he pranged his motor! Insurance company pays up third party damages, but not his costs and then takes proceedings to recover third party claim from my friend. It all turned out a very expensive experience for her...

You would not believe the things people try on with Insurance companies. Not saying that all Insurance Companies are always in the right... because they are not! But at times, I have some sympathy with them. I suppose that it does not take much to realise that I've worked in and around Insurance Companies for a while (General Accident for almost 8 years YAAAAWWWNNN).

Not implying that this applies to anyone in this post. Just a little story.

Have fun folks.....

Anders

Well I would just like to clarify a few things

Even old drivers were young once.

I am not criticising young drivers, everyone is different, and in my personal experience I used to be a dreadful boy racer

In rubbish cars, fortunately I have not any accidents that were my fault. Once I was hit from behind by a senior citizen whose eyesight was so bad he should never have been allowed to drive!

All I am pointing out is that there is an inevitable consequence of our cars getting cheaper. That is more people can afford them, younger people will start to buy then in droves.

I know if I had been in a position to buy an Impreza as a teenager I would have done so.

Now I am a 33 year old fogy, who has seen serious RTA carnage as a Dr. I am a much more cautious driver than when I first started out.

I think the BBS/IWOC/SIDC is a great resource to help educate drivers of all ages

I hope that the Impreza does not become a victim of its own success and we fall foul of Insurers jacking up the premiums as a consequence of youthful indiscretion with the loud pedal

NB I apparently own a Puffa jacket

Hos

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What defines a BoyRacer?

Hi there,
In reply to what Paul K said, I too am young..(19), does this make me a Boy Racer?
I only have a 2.0L Sport , but it is still a Scooby and it gives me alot of pleasure when driving - I am not on Mummy or Daddys insurance plan either.
I don't want to make an issue out of this,or cause anyone any grief but i have seen alot of posts on this BBS about this kind of Topic and I have always thought that it is the persons attitude, not age?
For example, I am a Student Pilot and intend to work for British Airways, I am very mature and very sensible - at least i think i am personally. If because of my age i am a BoyRacer - does this mean that regardless of my attitude , as soon as i get behind the controls of a 747 i am going to fly at my maximum speed, take sharp turns and cause my passengers alot of upset? - I think not! This view of the younger generation has stopped me going along to Track Days and other such type events as I do not know if i would fit in and be looked down on just because of my age. I admit, I do not agree with just anyone going out and buying an Impreza under 10K, as that is not fair. I guess that is the problem as Impreza's being so good that they do last a long time, but, these kind of people do stand out as they have an OLD car.
Let me know what the Definition of a BoyRacer is ? Thankyou, Ian

PS- I have seen a grey haired 50 year old driving an M3 before with his music pumped up loud - What was he?

Jonathan

Interesting thread.

I think the last reply was right on its the attitiude of the driver that makes the difference not the age.

Age does help mature you be it Anders and RTA's or marriage and kids etc. I'm glad I wasnt given a Scooby between 20-27. Looking back at the speeds and manovers . However doing all that in the typical hot hatch 16V GTE etc might have more stupid than the Scooby.

I'm not sure many people are trying to be snobs, just proud of their car/marque. Seeing pictures of Scoobies in Max Power (which I do read) with burnouts etc in public places is depressing and that is associated with the Puffa jacket brigade rightly or wrongly. But most of the people that seem to perform them in Scoobies are of an age to know better.

Some of the worse driving of Scoobies has been by the more expensive Scoobies - Anders car around Donnington being driven by Ian Cook excepted !!. Also some on the board might remember the Surrey meet last Jan when some Scooby driver thought they needed to perform in front of the meet in a 30mph zone.

Anyway Puffa Jackets are for the Essex brigade, that explains why Croney wears one . Not sure they sell them in Bucks

Jonathan

zoog

Its inevitable that as the scoob ages and gets more common, the owner profile will alter, with the new-car group becoming a smaller proportion of the total.

This will be similarly reflected in BBs membership and postings.

I`m afraid therefore that the days of tweed sports jackets and driving gloves are numbered...

harj

Take it easy guys, I'm only 23 and I own a 97 WRX. I had a choice between a Skyline R33 or a Scooby so I settled for the drivers choice. It's true as many younger people find themselves drawn towards the Scoobies as they are now referred to as the new choice from Cosworths, As soon as Insurance goes through the roof i'm sure that some will be deterred. When I applied for Insurance I was turned down as soon as I quoted my age, the Skyline would have cheaper to insure.
As the magazines give Scoobs more and more hype the younger aged market will be drawn even further, these days you see 19 year olds driving Escort Cosworths and Lotus Elise's. But I think it will be a while before the Scooby is known as a Boy Racers Car ie Fiesta RS Turbo's & R5 of which I have never owned. I have made the move from a new Lexus 400 to Scooby (Saving major money).

A view from the younger Market

Harj....

Beef

The image of a boy racer is made up from various things: How they drive, what they drive, how they talk about what they drive, and what they wear whilst driving are a few. Age is a factor, i.e. a young person is more likely to be a boy racer than an old person, but it is not absolute.

For example, a 22 youth in a '95 scoobie who floors it all the time wearing a puffa jacket claiming his air-filter has given him and extra 40bhp, all on his Mum's insurance is a boy racer.

An old guy in a brand-new Merc who sticks to the limits, wears a flat cap and say the car is for "Getting from A to B" on his own insurance is not a boy racer.

There is a 'grey area' though, i.e. 20 year-old Supra '89 driver who likes his power, but occasionally races if worthy opponent, wears a leather jacket but hates puffa jackets and has a standard car, but has plans for it, and is insured in own name, is an iffy one. He's young (-), he likes his power (-), occasionally races (-) wears a leather jacket (+) hates puffa jackets (+) has a standard car (+), but has plans (-) and it's old (-) but is insured in own name (+). I would say no, he's not. But it's close.

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Hos

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Pel

blah blah blah!

I Stancer

Lets face it guys we all thought we were good drivers and not boy racers when we were 17 ; but the older and balder I get (35 ouch ! and very ) the more I realise I was a typical boy racer and would have read Max Poser magazine ( 1.1 Fiesta Sunburst red , Mistral wheels Cibe oscars Janspeed exhaust KN filter Graphic equalizer/booster 4!!!! speekers ,Howard Jones at full volume sad isn't it )
Here's to the Nova boys !!! lets hope they live to grow old and wise like I hope to

Ian

blubs

I know a man who's name is actually Geezer. He drives a Beemer and has just had a Puffa for his anniversary

Geezer

And I wear a baseball cap, but that is to keep my baldy head warm! A damn fine thing it is too. Blubs won't need one though, as his blubber keeps him warm.

Anders

Upon clarification at Donington I will spell this out!

I am not against young drivers having Imprezas.

I fear that young guys who work their ***** off to buy an Impreza may be seduced into buying cheap "poor upgrades".

I am swallowing a massive bill for a rebuild courtesy of my foray into cheap "poor upgrades".

If I was 17-25 and had a 10K bill it would finnish my Impreza experiment!

Before "city types" say I am 17 and earn more than a Dr ,think of the "poor enthusiast" who invests everything and then it blows!

My rolling programme of media events aimed at a younger market will hopefully keep this in check

Anders

I have 6 articles booked

Dark clouds over Uxbridge

10 days and counting

BladeRnnr

time to disagree with some comments......Hmmm.

O.k. we all know "Max power"/"Fast car" brigade types ......But the thing is fast car has been on the go for years(true the a***e h***s who write have changed )and in its infancy was a good "Tuners" magazine aimed at the Boy racer types.And for the record i am not a B.R. and i read BOTH MAGS .
1 POINT AS WELL , one of the said reads is now trying to promote Safe driving by the B.R's and a reduction in fuel prices !(bloody hell sanity !!)
The thing is everyone at some stage has done the boy racer part even if it is only a speaker upgrade....SO why be negative about someones age.....BloodyHell if i could go back ten years and own a cossie then i'd still be a boy racer if i was poor ,or a Bloody Yuppie if i lived round sloane square. SO CHILDREN STOP BICKERING.....NOW !!

After all we are Impreza owners/drivers/enthusiasts

enough said.

IWatkins

Anders,

"10 days and counting" ? Until what ?

Have you got your five for the VFM organised yet ?

Cheers

Ian Watkins (GT4)

Mike Rainbird

No-one has really defined "boy-racer".... If this is braking the speed-limit at times where deemed appropriate to do so, then I feel we are ALL boy (or girl) racers - which is why we bought cars capable of the acceleration figures we have (otherwise we would be the normal A to B 'ers in their bland mobiles). To me the term boy racer just denotes the sex of the person behind the wheel of the "speeding" car and I have no objection to seeing people speed if it is in an environment that I personally would consider it safe to do so.

Those that fit the boots of performing "burn-outs" etc in public car parks to me are not boy / girl racers, but "*****". Also, if they are speeding in the wrong conditions (fog, snow etc), they are not "racers", but "*****"....

I consider myself a boy-racer (male speed addict) at 30 (and have since I can remember, been passionate about fast cars), and I also consider my partner in crime (Charlie 390bhp Cossie) a boy-racer at 43 (and he has four children and a nagging wife!), as he is also a "speed addict"....

However, I still have to laugh at all the "*****" on the road, and most of them are "normal" people of any age who don't have a passion for cars, so don't drive them with the due care and attention necessary (in my eyes...).
Mike

NITO

Mike said,

"I have no objection to seeing people speed if it is in an environment that I personally would consider it safe to do so."

Which opens a whole new debate as to what different peoples perceptions are to what is and what isn't a safe environment.

What I may consider safe, driving blindingly fast around a corner which in normal cars would see you on the other side of the road, to the person behind me in their mundane daily transport might seem outrageously dangerous. Especially as the scoob can look so normal, mine is an estate!! So while I may seem to be driving perfectly safe in my opinion, and maybe even yours, to Joe Public it may seem a hangable offence of the Panorama variety!!

Nito

johnfelstead

oh dear, he said the "estate" word, prepair for a slagging off

Tim Bomford

Ohhhh....alright John I'll say it It is not an ESTATE...It is a HATCHBACK! Or WAGON if you prefer.
Tim