Otto-Mate

He has a set of S03s that he took off a guy straight out of the show room (20 miles on them) for 70 quid a pop all in.

He wants 70 +VAT for the PZeros.

Which would you go for?

Thanks

SiPie

Otto-mate

Will have to hand this one over to someone who knows mate, as I have never tried the P-Zeros...but personally I never felt happy with the SO3's as you can tell from the initial post

Sorry and good luck with whatever you end up going for

Si

Otto-Mate

Thanks SiPie.

Can someone tell me more about this bump-stop mod?

SiPie

Otto-mate

If you do a search on BUMPSTEER MOD there is a wealth of info posted here on SN but conclusions seem to all be pretty similar to what I've found above.

Cheers


[Edited by SiPie - 3/13/2003 3:56:29 PM]

Jerry B

F1 GSD3 17" wear - for anyone interested
Had a set fitted beginning July. Won't bore you with the details, but apart from being IMHO even better than S02's for grip in all conditions the wear has amazed me as well. Done around 11k or more since and wearing very slowly still. Call my driving style whatever you like but they are lasting longer than RE011's and S02's under the same car and driver.
Tramlining does come back a little with wear but no-where near as bad as RE010's, almost negligible really. Quieter too.
However, I do miss 4-wheel drift these days, things are a bit boring unless I'm feeling really brave....

LG John

As sipie says the bumpsteer and geometry mod is well worth the money. Gives a lot sharper turn in and confidence especially in the wet

matty01

Otto-mate,regarding the S03's ,don't do it mate ,it aint worth it ,the tramlineing will really pi$$ you off after a bit(not to mention the lurching when crossing crests which i'm putting down to them as well )The sooner the S03's die the better,and i'm givin' em f**k, cue

JamesS

The new F1`s have a higher wear rate than the older design. However with the old F1, as soon as you got it really hot (track day for example) it started to melt pretty quickly! Biased for best wet grip, hence can`t take the temperature in the dry......Excellent tyre. Gone through 3 sets of GSD2 and now have GSD3. This offers a much stiffer sidewall and much lower road noise than the old one. Wet performance feels slightly more `on tip-toes` than the old ones, but still simply amazing!

Jay m A

iTrader: (2)

Oh dear. one person tells Otto-mate not to get the SO3's, and I'm about to say don't get the Pzeros. The Pzeros are positively dangerous on damp roads, they are so poor grip-wise its frightening. I ******* hate them with a passion, I only got them since they were on some 16" wheels I bought for a nice price. They are now soon to become my dry trackday set as soon as I get enough money together for the F1's.

Apart from the fact that they put fear through your bones as soon as you see a raindrop on the windscreen, they're OK. LOL

Attu

Ive got PZero's fitted at the moment and im just about to fit Toyo's, the PZeros realy arnt very good in the wet...very good in the dry but ive had many a buttuck clenching moment in the wet

Andy

northen

just fitted toyo proxes T1s 205/50/16s and can say im not
impressed back end stability seems affected,not as confident
as i was with my bridgestones.
my98 scoob feels very rolly at back end, are side walls on proxes
not as stiff as the bridgestones?reading these posts im thinking
i should of gone for the goodyears.personnelly iv always liked
a nice tight feel, proxes dont deliver that in my opionin.while
they may give early warning, the warning comes far to early.
i am off out to get geometry checked if that does not improve
matters, i am selling them with wheels and going to 17s
while they may suit some peoples driving style, i dont want to
feel like the backends gonna let go at every decent speed corner.

GF8

SiPie,

How about the ride comfort comparison among the three?

shasta

I have just changed from Bridgestones to Goodyear F1's. I live in London and got the new tyres in Newcastle (don't ask why) and the difference in ride quality and noise is very marked. The trip up to Ncle (M1 & A1) left me frazzled, the Bridgestones being especially noisy on concrete. On the way back I immediately noticed Goodyears are much quieter and seem to absorb small scale rougness better too. Can't comment on grip too much (only a few roundabouts on the A1 on the way back :-)) but they same at least as good.

northen

well the geometry was out!!!
ride and handling a lot better but still a tad rolly
im gonna give it a month and see how i feel then.

SiPie

GF8

Ride comfort is greatly improved over the toyos/SO3's and they are so much quieter...

At the weekend I put about 400 very hard miles on the Goodyears and these tyres just get better and better. I was a bit tentative intitially wondering if the lack of progressiveness on breakaway would cause some buttock-clenching moments but ..... they are equally as progressive as the Toyos it's just that this point arrives much later...they really do just hang on

With around 2000 miles on these tyres they are excellent and over the first dry weekend we've had up here in ages I was delighted to find that the levels of dry grip easily surpass that of the Toyos and SO3's .............

To summarise..............Magic

Kempo

I find that tyre pressures are so critical on the scooby. Had been getting more understeer recently, despite the fact I have had the bumpsteer done, and the car was really rolling on roundabouts.

Topped up the tyres to 34 front, 32 rear (215 / 40 17s) and the difference is staggering. The rear is now more compliant and follows the front which doesn't run wide.

They were down to 31 / 30 which doesn't sound like much but the fronts were 10% low!!!

SiPie

Kempo

Think it's mentioned in the Subaru owners FAQ or somewhere that the impreza is very sensitive to small fluctuations in tyre pressures... even 1 or 2 psi and I've certainly noticed the same as what you've mentioned above

Cheers
Si

rapiddescent

I have two sets of 17" wheels - that I swap occasionally - for a wagon bugeye:

1: the new F1's
+ last longer
+ good sidewall strength
+ quiet

2: SO2's
+ better overall grip
+ better in the wet
+ MUCH better at stopping

When I first put F1's on the car - I thought I had a brake problem. The stopping quality of the F1's is not as good as the SO2's. I even changed the disks and pads! It wasn't until the first trackday when I changed to my old SO2's that I realised they were so much better at stopping.

(remember, this is the 17" 225/215-40 wheels - different for 16" 205's)

I'd totally agree with whoever said that tyre pressures make a vast difference in handling. If you don't over inflate SO2's on track then you can easily wear out a set in less than 100 miles.

The RE011's are not even worth the mention.

rd

matty01

oops

[Edited by matty01 - 3/24/2003 9:22:19 PM]

UHF

I've found F1's for £76+VAT a corner, does that sound like a deal or what? that was for 215/40/17's, been reading this thread after wanting to hear some discussion all good information, thanks.

BTW, I've got federals, oh yeah baby, can you say 4 wheel drift and that was with only 215hp, now i have more they just HAVE to go!

SiPie

Good price UHF

Hope the F1's are as good on 17"s as they are on 16"s as after 3000 miles they are still continuing to impress no end

UHF

I should imagine the tyre wall arguments get a little more different when we're looking at lower profiles, especially down in the 30's

SiPie

Yup....It's just i've heard so many reports of people finding the SO3's excellent on 17's but so many people seem to share my mistrust of them on 16's .... so there must be a considerable difference somewhere......who knows

Mind you, they do say that extra inch can make all the difference

Cheers
Si

UHF

interesting, anyone else got any opinions on their 17's?

Jerry B

My earlier remarks were relating to F1s on 17's.

UHF

oh thanks, just went back, interesting to know

BTW someone PLEASE tell me what tramlining is?

SiPie

UHF

Tramlining:.....

.....when the tyres follow any irregularity in the road surface. This can incude newly laid patchy tarmac or even heavily painted white lines.
If you imagine a train (or tram) with it's wheels unable to deviate from the line of the rails as they are stuck in a set groove. Sometimes tram-lining on a car can be like this as it takes a good deal of steering input / correction to break away from the tyre's newly chosen line.

And it's recognised that certain makes of tyres are worse than others.

Hope that helps

Cheers
Si


[Edited by SiPie - 3/27/2003 9:27:02 AM]

UHF

yup, understood from the first sentence, never experienced any of that before

SiPie

Can be quite disconcerting when the car starts 'wandering' where you don't want it to go.....

Bridgestones were particularly nasty

UHF

Sounds a bit like a Focus RS