G.W.Bush

<devils advocate>Katana,go on comment,go on (you know you want to) </devils advocate>

Pavlo

or you're just a panzy of a driver, and he was going for it.

it takes a big difference to be noticable quicker on the road.

StickyMicky

nos is not illigel!

do u make your own laws up or sumthing???

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

If i were you i would read up on the law about having NOS switched on whilst driving on a public highway, you will find out its illegal to use in anything apart from competition/track type days
Having it fitted in the car isnt illegal though, just its use (except for the above mentioned parts).

Tony

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

Oh and ill give people a little tip why its illegal to use on the public highway..... something to do with its properties and what it does if it leaks

Tony

markwild

Power, grip and a good balance are NO substitute in a road race for being a complete nutter.....

All scoob owners (inc. me) like to challenge themselves and others a bit, but once you reach the boundary of safety, best let them get on with it...

Also - he could have just been better and faster, so he was in his safety margin - Not only Scoobs are modded.....

Mark

Katana

Sorry Mr President. I've got the 5ive-0s watching me as we speak. The moment I post something regarding this classified info, I know for sure that I'd be reported and embarressed by them for another week. You see how quickly Sonic posted?

*Sonic*

ROTFL

Robertio

iTrader: (1)

Tony, according to this months CCC:

'Basically as long as your insurance company has okay'd the fitting of a kit and the use of it on the road, it is legal to be used.'

If you know of any law the categorically clasifies using NOS as illegal I'd be interested to know what it is?

Gastro

I think if its a Polo (MkIII) - you'll find its a G40...
They can be chipped up to 150BHP and the car only weighs 700Kg
You can tell because it has a bee sting aerial and BBS alloys ...

I used to have one - fantastically quick Q-car

Gastro

ianmiller999

Just to back this up I remember reading an artical on max power on the law and they seemed to reckon the NOS is leagal.

Flat 4x4

If not the G40 could it have been an import Starlet Turbo ?

HardcoreSax

LOL...

Polo G40 Weighs 700kg!

They might be made from a couple of lolly pop sticks and a Kitkat wrapper, but you're not telling me they weigh over 100kg less than a Nova or an Citroen AX!

Curb weight of the Polo G40 is around 830kg...

Still with 150bhp that'd be a power to weight of 180bhp

Steve Whitehorn

iTrader: (13)

Probably driver ability.
Last Summer I would regularly drive B roads in Sussex and Kent to the farm early in the morning. Sometimes I would take the WRX sometimes I would take the £90 900cc B reg Ford fiesta with no back window. The suspension was crap which made it hard which gave you great feed back and it predictably understeered near the limit.
Once you had gained momentum, which took a long time, It would suprise you what you could get past safely. Golf GTi etc.

I feel that on a B road, where you don't have the space to expoit raw power it is down to the driver. I would say that a 'well driven' Scoob or EVO probably RS4 as well is 'fairly' untouchable.

I think the main thing is to enjoy driving, what ever you drive.
Besy wishes
Steve

markpm

I thoroughly agree with Mark's comment here.

Had this a while ago with an idiot in an Astra right up my **** on some twisties. He did finally get past me on the other side of the road around a corner with tyres squeaking widly!!

Thats where I decided to let him go. He was being obviously suicidal, and I had visions of coming across him in a hedge further on.
I have too much respect for my car, I paid a lot of money for it, and dont particularly want to put in a wall somewhere. He obviously wasnt that bothered about his car, himself or others safety.
I do like a challenge I must admit, and I do appreciate that Im not the worlds best driver, but when it gets dangerous, remember you have a lovely car, and theres no point in wrecking it, just to outrun not such a lovely car!

SU3ARU

"It is easier to be a follower than a leader"

Often find, irrespective of car, that it is easier to be following and keep up than leading and pull away. The car behind can use the car in front as a bench mark for what to do...braking etc.. The leading car has to read the road and judge conditions - as well as keeping an eye on any potential idiot behind.

I found this out once when driving through the Welsh countryside late at night in my Scoob. I was being followed by my friend in his Fiat Barchetta and he pretty much kept up with me. I didn't know the roads at all so was trying to navigate as well as have some fun - although saying that, he didn't get passed me!

Peter

Charlie H

Had a similar encounter with a peugeot 106 xsi whan I had just got my car - twisty road I knew well, wet and dark. Overtook him and watched in amazment as he stuck to my tail for 3 miles. I later met him in a local pub through some friends of mine and found out he was racing instructor for Croft and Silverstone. His car was standard except for stiffer springs but he had big ***** and bags of experience to make up for it. Since then I have done a trackday and lots of driving and even he says that I'd pi55 all over him now.

I have seen racing drivers in Peugeot 1.4L keep up with 1.9GTI's at Peugeot trackdays simply because they have superb car control and know how to keep up their speed through the bends.

You can't beat experience

chiark

Loads of good points have been made on here...

Following is a lot easier than leading. I kept up with a mate's sti despite it having PPP and lots of power - I know it's shedloads faster, because I've driven it . You're the "miner's canary" - if you push it too much, the other person can back off and avoid an accident, or even just avoid getting out of shape.

In a straight line, particularly in a turbo'd car, who drops the hammer first will get the advantage if you're slightly out of the turbo's most effective range. That can lead to being surprised by all manner of things.

In corners, weight counts. The Scoob is 1.4ish tonnes when loaded up. An older vintage hot hatch is scarily light...

Just enjoy the car

wwp8

do you have a tow bar fitted?, maybe his brakes weren't working tapped your end, and you didn't feel a thing! and you towed him all the way, by the time he got out of it he spinned in a dead end!


ok now have a good nights sleep no nightmares now

CraigRA

Could have been a Polo G40, I race one that out paces class 3 Porsche cup cars around Snetterton and some very powerfull BMW's around Thruxton, put some decent suspension on with some simple engine mods and you have a very quick good hanling car.

Standard spec for them is 113bhp (83kw) 111lbft torque (150nm) and the car is 1830 lbs/830 kilos

Loose a bit of weight out the car, couple of simple mods easy to get 150 - 160 bhp or more if you do the head and cam and you have a very quick road car, not bad for 1300cc's !

Wont out run a Scooby or out accelerate one but well driven it will hang on to one, keeping up with someone is one thing having the power to over take you, or pull away from you if you were following him is quite another.

Andy555

Might have been a Golf Rally (4 wheel drive, plus lots ore power)

+Doc+

I dont understand how some street racing topics are kept open and some are closed??
Doc

58GT

Years ago I was on a high perf road training course for bikes. We all had litre plus bikes. This part of the course involved overtaking properly. The plan was to find a twisty bit of road, wait for an unsuspecting car to come past then follow it, overtaking only when safe to do so. Which on a 130bhp bike is most places.

Anyway this girl came past in a polo or a fiesta or something, not a hot one, and we set off in pursuit. By the time we got to the end of the road not one of us had passed her! Admittedly it was pissing with rain but she went like the wind. We laughed about it but in a nervous, unsure kind of way.

I reckon she was Michelle Mouton or someone on her day off.

Realistically though a good impreza ought to be able to destroy just about anything on a wet bumpy road. Do you have any track time?

Leslie

I had to smile at that one 58, but I can understand how a well driven car in the wet can make it difficult for a 'bike to overtake. I am pretty experienced on fast bikes and I am not that surprised at that you said. She must have been good though.

Les

mista weava

good thread, suprised it has not been locked or moved though - selective moderating again :P!

agree that well driven alot of cars so long as they maintain momentum will keep up.

Tony's NOS comment, rightly or wrongly? who cares! to say that he was not running NOS cos Tony reckons it is illegal is laughable - have not noticed it stopping many people even if it is.
i presumed (wrongly) that it was prob illegal to use on the road but not to have fitted.

the other factor in the whole slow car keeps up with fast car debate, is that it all depends how many risks the person is willing to take. in my experience there is a "must win" policy adopted by people in lesser machines, which can give them the edge.

weava

black knight

this seems like scene from a japanese animation where a nissan trueno (virtually perfect young driver) trounced every car imaginable rx7, r33gtr, scooby, evos, civics, 200sx you name, he will beat them.....

interesting.....

MGJohn

"It is easier to be a follower than a leader"

Yes, in almost any conditions particularly adverse weather such as Fog. It's the "Pathfinder" effect. Years ago, when I regularly used a sports motorcycle to get about quickly, which you can still do today irrespective of modern traffic density on two wheels, I was followed by a huge tailback of vehicles down the M1 in fairly thick fog. Behind the fairing but with my visor up, my bare eyes could see reasonably well through the murky night unlike the drivers with their fog saturated windscreens behind me. Every so often, some driver would get fed up with my "pathfinder" lead speed and decide to overtake and then grope his way through the murk beyond the head of the line of traffic. Only to slow to a speed slower than the following queue. Visibilty was that poor. Then they'd sheepishly drop back and get on at the tail of the passing queue.

Funny ol' game people and their cars....

PPPscooby

did walton actually find out which car it was ??

Midmotorsteve

I'd go with easier to follow idea, years back i raced a escort rs turbo through the forrest of dean over to monmouth hellish twisty road that i'd learnt to drive on, know it like the back of my hand. I was driving an auto 3.0 v6 Camry '93, they handle surprisingly well and have a bit under 200bhp, very big mind (lexus big).

I started in front and stayed in front until straight after coleford turn off where i slowed and put my hazards on to let him pass, i then floored it and pushed him all the way to monmouth, we got to the end of the road by monmouth and pulled next to each other as going different direction, had a quick chat, he was amazed i kept with him, he lives in a village on that road and was purposely out to play with people, do it every weekend he say, his RS was putting out 210bhp and had fully adjustable konis, i had basically put my faith in the big camry being able to grip round any bend that the escort could so i was going through them slightly faster, hense keeping with him even though he had better power to weight for the straights, i'm now older and more sensible at the time i'd only been driving for 2 years stupidity let me keep up.