BoxerFlat4

Tony -

Mike had mentioned he had test data, that "implied" an un-disclosed problem with NF, and hence why he was no longer selling his box of it to the public. When pressed on the issue, no data was forthcoming to the general public.

I've got some test data, carried out independantly, that shows that Subaru's will consume all your money, waste all your time, and sometimes make you speak like an ****. As clearly demonstrated sometimes on this BB.

Tone Loc

iTrader: (1)

Ahhhh... but have you got evidence of this Paul???

Nevermind don't need any..... just checked my wallet and it's definately empty!!!! .

Tony (talks loudly from his **** now and again ) .

ex-webby

I would like to add that the information I have regarding this test means that the results are irrelevant to the NF that is currently being sold in this country.

The "test" did not (as I understand it) in any way state that NF caused any kind of problem, it merely (again.. as I understand it) showed that a formula of NF (which is a formula that is not sold in this country) contained an ingredient that is not allowed to be included (I think for some legal reasons).

There was never any suggestion that NF was bad for your car in any way.

The reason this was edited was that it stated something that was potentially damaging to the sales of NF based on data gained from a formula of NF that is not even sold in this country. In addition, the post which offered this "information" also contained a commercial advert in competition with the product that was being "questioned" and by a company that does not advertise on this board.

Regards

Simon

Mike Tuckwood

No they aren't the product tested was UK sourced.
I have had a supplier from abroad and that product has not been tested. I cannot see how the same results can/could be achieved with different blends?


Simon, phone me and I'll tell you direct, instead of listening to simply a retailer that ships it in and has a vested interest in making it look good/sell well (i.e. not the manufacturer or anything remotely like that).

Don't hold me out to be simply a competitor here, I am a retailer, just as NF europe (just a third party company name remember, not the manufacturer/originator of the product) is. I had this stuff tested and the results were "interesting".

They didn't relate to just the "contents, they revealed RON and MON figures which don't stack up well compared to some other products that I sell. There were also H&S issues relating to the hazard marking information that was not present on the bottles.

As to the "contents, that is a licensing issue for somebody else to deal with.

RUBBISH! All I said was that I had withdrawn it from sale due to my own (researched) concerns over H&S and (comparative) performance concerns. Is my word now so all powerful that if I mutter any disapproval about a product that I have sold myself that it should impact sales on a national level. I doubt my word is as close to cast in stone as you imply.

The thread in it's entirety was about Millers Octane booster (not NF) and I simply replied to the question as asked. I didn't self generate the thread or subject matter and ram it down anybodys throat as you imply.

No doubt this will also be edited as well, If you want to know the reason why nothing I had said was libellous in any way, check the mails I sent Shaun, all the information is in there.



Mike.

Mike Tuckwood

Further I would like to report this comment to a moderator.
While it is undoubtedly true, it is as libellous(?) as my statement and should be edited to protect the financial interests of International Motors.
Quick, before someone alerts a solicitor!

Mike.

DemonDave

iTrader: (13)

Mike,

That might get edited because

"potentially damaging to the sales of Subaru"

Dave.

BoxerFlat4

[quote]Further I would like to report this comment to a moderator.

Moderator, I'd like to report this reply, it is clearly libellous to me, I can quite easily provide independant reports (bank statements, description from friends, partner comments) that clearly backup my claims about Subaru's.

Mike, on a more serious note, if you have an issue with NF, could you share it with me, as another retailer of the product, and also a long time user, I am obviously interested in your data. I'm not interested in trying to make money out of your research, simply trying to ensure best practice for my customers. It's in no-ones interest to raise questions about a product, and then not to back it up - a public forum is not, IMHO, the best place to start rumours.



[Edited by BoxerFlat4 - 2/27/2003 11:26:33 AM]

ex-webby

Mike

What you *say* you know for sure, is not anything I have evidence to back up. In fact, all information I have apart from the information you provided contradicts what you are saying.

Until you can provide scoobynet with the data you have (which you have refused to do - whatever your reasons) scoobynet cannot make a decision on whether we are willing to publish the statements you are making.

So..

Until that time I will say that I have strong reason to believe that the tests you produced were for a different product to the one is *CURRENTLY* sold in the UK.

regards

Simon

dingy

Mike you aint a chemist btw and getting a competitor to test it aint really the answer.

I have mailed Geoff (the chemist) what you are claiming and its come back positive.

NF for the UK is NF for the UK BTW.



Mike, just for point, where did you get the other bottles from ?

If this is not a big secret then you won't mind telling scoobynet ?

So

Blue ?
Yellow ?
Red ?
Black ?
One Shot ?



[Edited by dingy - 2/27/2003 3:12:18 PM]

Mike Tuckwood

I'd be quite happy to have a look at all of the independant test results you have for your "UK Special mix" Steve. Include all the RON and MON figures using a base fuel of 95 RON NUL and the percentage Viscon used in each variant.

How do they make a different "mix" for the UK which achieves identical results from identical bottles from the same source with identical doseage and instructions?

Snippets from magazine articles saying "ain't this stuff great" will not sufice.

As a potential retailer you may be able to swing me by posting the compliance with UK hazardous materials paperwork (including marking of bottles) which is reqired by law to transport or store this type of product.

Anyhoo, Steve you're simply a part time re-seller of this product, what business is it of yours what I do or how I do it?



Mike.

Anybody who wants a copy of my previous reply that has been removed in its entirety by Simon (prior to this post), mail me off line and I'll show you what had been said.

Mike Tuckwood

Simon What on earth are you talking about......

I have made no "claims" of anything! I have not said anything contradictory?

I have simply stated that I have withdrawn a product from sale.
My concerns are of a H&S and performance mix.
An alternative supplier has clearly complained but the grounds for the claim are unclear? They are simply a retailer also as was I?

Ahh of course, they advertise so this then looks like an attempt to protect one of your customers!
How quickly you forget who has helped you in the past.... even when ther e was no need or obligation to.I notice you haven't been so concerned that you have phoned me about it.

I haven't said it doesn't do what it says on the tin or that it's "dangerous or potentially damaging" .... in fact quite the opposite!

This is of course hard to tell now as you have edited or removed any comments I have made that show this to the other BBS'ers who are interested?


Mike.

dingy

Mike it is my concern, as for the hours i put in, How do you know that.

And as for a reseller, so you say all this then want to sell it ?
NF must be good.

You have personal issues with me which i think is causing you to do all this, your problem not mine.

Nothing to do with NF, why don't you email me your findings and let me answer the questions rather than claiming all these things and telling my stockists lies.

dingy

FROM GEOFF

Hello every one
Im a little concerened this post regarding damage being done to the engines
using NF octane boost or why some have so called with drawn it from sale.

As the manufacture of this product i would like to know what this ingredient
is, that is not so called allowed.!!!!!
ALL OCTANE BOOSTERS THAT "WORK" INCLUDING MILLERS CONTAIN THE SAME BASE
OCTANE BOOSTER !!!!!!!!!!!
So if any one downs NF or Millers or Wynns or NOS or Nitrox or used to be
104 or for that matter lead replacement petrol and any other petrol contains
various amounts of the SAME ingredient so i cant see why this Tuckwood guy
has with drawn it from his so called point of sale when a sale is a sale and
is making money and says its damaging to engines !!!!
You will do more damage to your engine if you dont use it, and if this wasnt
the case then why are you all getting worked up about these products.
I manufactured a product that works extremely well you get excellent value
for money and if the product didnt do what it says it does then there
wouldnt be any topic to talk about.
No one likes a competetor when they know a product works well !!!
I will never down any ones product, simply point out what the advantage's of
my product is over the others.!!!!
In all the sales i have done i have had 3 complaints
1 wrong bottle in the wrong fuel
2 wrong bottle in his car in other words about 6 times over dose
use the correct amount. Its more often than not using less is better.
3 he got a speeding ticket!!!!

I have never yet failed to produce a result.
Hope this helps clear things up some what !!!



Regards Geoff

Geoff@nitrousformula.co.uk

DemonDave

iTrader: (13)

Can I suggest that this is going too far know. Would it not make more sense to delete this thread completely.

All that use any Octane booster should contact their supplier to ask questions and if they want to try something different then do the research and ask another supplier.

If anybody wants "opinions" on booster then post a new thread asking this. If it is somebodies "opinion" then it should be less trouble. In fact I might just do that

I think this has got blown out of all proportion and is doing scoobynet no good .

Dave.

Mike Tuckwood

I have made no false claims, either here or elsewhere, your personality issues are also of no concern to me.

Mail me the information I asked you for (I suspect it doesn't exist) and answer the questions I have posed to you as a potential customer?

If you have nothing to hide, feel free to impart this knowledge not only on me but on Scoobynet as well.
After all, you're happy to support and sell this product, I have concerns that must be met.

Please supply me the answers?
I will review my standpoint should you be able to supply satisfactory and plausible answers.
Please also feel free to phone or mail me direct on this issue.

As for my test results, if you want to pay me for these I will gladly release copies of them to you. Unless you actually think it's my job to test the product that you sell?

Mike.

ex-webby

My goodness.

Mike

I can't face any more of this. I simply do not have the time to argue with you.

But a couple of point..

1) NOBODY complained. ScoobyNet decided to do this independantly.
2) NF / New Age, etc are NOT an advertiser so we are not (as you so insultingly state) protecting our customers.

To be quite honest, I am sick to the back teeth of the way you are abusing this board and all of the hard work put in by the moderators but a) continuing to post commercially, and b) arguing with a decision to remove something you would have to be outrageously stupid to not be able to see the delicate nature of.

I am now locking this post as both you and dingy are now using it to settle a commercial battle. Neither of you advertise on scoobynet and none of this is of benefit to the community (unless you are willing to publish all of your test results).

Until then, I advise anyone who is thinking about buying either Millers of NF to contact BOTH mike and dingy to get both of their biased opinions, then decide for yourself.

regards

webmaster

PS. Further commercial posts from companies that do not support this community through advertising (the means we have to allow you to take advantage of the market place on scoobynet in a commercial way) will be moderated more agressively as a result of this thread.