ianc

1.4bar on a K03? Thats 20.3psi on a turbo rated to 15psi.

I've heard of people running 22psi and reported no problems, but I wouldn't risk it myself.

IC

golfttish

Veracocha
The chipped R i drove was a dealer demonstator, so not my tyres clutch etc so I was, if anything, harder on it. It's over a 100kg heavier than my golf so has a lower p/w. In gear times of the r were slightly quicker, but it's 6 speed, so it's 5th is like my 4th , it's 4th marginaly longer than my 3rd etc. If i use a comparative gear ratio, the golf is quicker.

The turbo only peaks at 1.4bar. It's running 0.9ish (13psi) at 6k
Also you can't drive it at the max very often as trafic and laws don't permit. It spends most of its life doing no more work than on a standard car.
It's a cheap turbo so if it blows I can pick up a nearly new replacement for about £300 or a new k04 for £500. There are guys in the US who have beaten the crap out of their ko3s for a long time with no probs.

Liam
The peak power was up by under 10Hp over apr, but at a lower RPM. At 6k the torque curve was back on a par with APR. Also I talked to Mike T from JAbba and he reckons he's run a KO4 and late K03s back to back on the same car, and the K04 gave zero gain. He also claims to have seen near 250bhp from a K03 with other significant mods.

[Edited by golfttish - 2/13/2003 12:35:23 PM]

golfliam

i know that the k04 doesn't give hardly any gain over ht enew k03 but that still a whacking 50 lbs of torque over previous bests

what did mike say about the 290 lbs of torque - is he re-writing his code :-)

golfttish

Mike didn't seem overly surprised by any of it. There were 2 ibeza's kicking out 252 and 258lb ft one with apr and one with revo, with no other mods
A leon from amd with full turboback managed 226hp and 226lb ft. Never did rate AMD!!!!!! (I know you wanna bite) By the way the owner said thats what he got on AMD's rollers as well (give or take)
Look at the power the other cars made that day. They're all prety in line with what you'd expect from their mods.

On anything but a perfect surface mine will now light the tyres up most of the way through second in the dry. Previously it would occasionaly chirp them at the bottom of second. In the wet it'll spin them in third (bit like a diesel)

golfliam

yeh but 226 with 226 is pretty much what they advertise isn't it
and what you would expect...

not like amd said it would produce more and got less....unlike some.. i've bitten - actually i spoke to AMD today and told them about this post, he said we can give you 260-270 but we don't believe its reliable so we don't do it

So what boost is it running to release that much Torque

golfttish

1.4 bar peak

Paul STi 5

Hi, i had my 2000 W reg Golf 1.8T with 18000 miles on it re-mapped at JABBA yesterday. I've only had the car 3 days and it felt VERY!! slow compared to my old type r scoob with 317bhp and 288 torque. I put a magnex cat back system on it and it ran 148bhp with only 3/4 throtle (cable wrongly adjusted),then 168 full throtle, then with the re-map it made 220bhp and 247 torque,peaks at 1.1 bar and holds at 1 bar. It feels much better for a big old tank. My friends had his done there and had no relibilty probs at all.
JABBA sport were Excellent, very helpful, explained everything and well priced (£425). Go there!!!!
I've been to AMD with my friends Seat Cupra and they tryed to sell him everything and told him his new powerflow exhaust was crap and to buy one of theres. He didnt and had one of the fastest Cupras around as he proved it a a big seat meet.
GO JABBA!!! i've had a lot of experence of tuners.
Autosportif for scoob
Jabba for VW.

golfliam

Been using AMD for years - never tried to sell me anything
in fact i've found them to be the opposite
first hand experiance is always better than "my friend this my friend that" AMD don't make exhausts - but they did co-develope the exhaust with milltek for the mkiv etc...which i think you'll agree is a quality item.

So revo's remap is running 1.4 compared to APR's 1 bar

are you going to keep is at one 1.4 ?

i also find it quite interesting that when i spoke to mike at Jabba he wasn't keen on doing K04 upgrades anymore because he didn't think they were very reliable when maxed (had mine over a year no problems) given that alot poeple seem to rate mike at Jabba very highly - ( seemed very clued up when i've spoken to him) don't you think 1.4 bar is taking the **** a little unless the k03 sport is much stronger - as it a k03/k04 hybrid i don't really see why it should be.

golfttish

Liam
Plenty of guys in the US run their K03's at 21psi and k04's even higher.
I've actually dropped the peak boost back a touch, and the car got quicker. Less heat, and a better top end, with probably only a small loss of torque in the mid range. It's significantly faster than with my APR remap (and that wasn't slow)

As for first hand experience of AMD, people either love them or hate them.

I went there to get my milltek, and on the basis that I was handing over £900, I expected to at least not be patronised. I found them, particularly Scott, to be an arogant t**t.

Both mike at jabba and the revo/apr guys have always been helpfull, and extremely knowledgable. I have never heard either criticise other peoples products, unlike scott, who as basicly told me his remap was the only one worth doing. He reminded me of a second hand car salesman. (that may be a little unfair on car salesmen)

He seemed unwilling to spend any time offering advice on different tuning options for my car unless it envolved me buying one of his products and even then the only advice he seemed able to give was that it is the best.

Last week I spent over 2 hours at jabba with mike discussing the IHI package, and even though I told him that I would not even be considering a turbo upgrade for at least six months, he took the time to explain what they were doing, and what reliability issues there may be, and also took me on a long test drive. He needed to do none of this, but is a genuine enthusiast, not just a business man.

My advice to anyone who is looking at chipping etc is go visit all of the options, and buy from who you feel comfortable with. They all offer slightly different products (and attitudes). Most people are happy with who they bought from and will advise you to buy the same as them. I'd say talk to all the tuners you can and make your own decision.

Veracocha

Interesting. I was under the impression that you had achieved 245bhp from just a chip which is why I was sceptical. Have you got other mods for your Golf?

golfttish

Yes Veracocha
everything but a bigger turbo

golfliam

I agree totally about Mike i phoned a few weeks ago, hadn't talked to him for about 2 years, we chatted for a about 25 mins, very interesting conversation, surprised he had the time - i found out that the head design on my early engine is the best of all the 1.8T engines including the TT/S3 - which made me think about future upgrades differently

i remember reading quite a few blown K04 stories on vortex about a year ago maybe that explains it

Never heard scott directly slagg any other tuner off but they do get there fair share of cars coming to be fixed after other companies have worked on them...just read a thread on the TT-forum
about milltek fitting for example. The guy wasn't happy with Milltek and slagged them of for making a crappy product that didn't fit properly becuase his tuner told him thats how they came - Milltek told him to take it to AMD and they fitted properly

I've always received top service so thats all i can comment on.

Veracocha

I apologise then, that seems perfectly reasonable!

I am thinking of getting my S3 Revo'd as the performance is just a tad linnear. What are the prices?

golfttish

www.revotechnik.com
You've plenty of other options aswell though. Not trying to put you off in any way. I think it's a great product, but refer to my previous post.

RB5#295

That'd be my fault then. I didn't find out much about the spec and the car is subtle enough to look pretty standard.

Fen

Paul STi 5

Golfliam when i say friend i mean friend as in i was stod next to him, none of this friend of a friend sisters dog walker who used to go out mith this guy who ..... . Milltek exhausts are good,but VERY VERY quiet,not what everyone is looking for. They said the reason his AMD chip kept failing was the exhaust, which i know is complete toss. The exhaust was fine and the reason is that the early Cupra chips were hard to map. I wish they'd just said this. Insted my mate got so pissed off with it resetting the chip he sold the car and brought a scoob.

Mike at Jabba is so helpfull and will take the time to talk to anyone about anything, whether you're buying or just asking questions.

Midmotorsteve

amd is personnal tuned to your car thats why their so good, car is mapped whilst on the rolling road, differing loads etc to simulate driving conditions all for £250 other 'chip' companies simply pop in a copied chip from another car, all cars have slightly differing engines so its a pure chance thing may suit your engine, may not

p.s. Anyone know of any other companies that do custom chips (toyotas)? for resonaable price I know Owens do dastek piggy backs but their not cheap amd won't touch anything not german

[Edited by Midmotorsteve - 2/8/2003 6:20:52 PM]

RB5#295

Stealth Racing near Banbury. A heavily modified Ibiza Cupra posted much the same there as it had on Jabba's RR and some std cars were coming out with pretty much stock outputs, so it didn't look over optimistic.

Deffo not a TDi. My car posted the highest torque on the day (306.7lb/ft) so I was taking notice of the other contenders and i hadn't expected a Golf petrol to be one fo them...

I've sent a link to this thread to the owner, so maybe he will give you some more details...

Fen

Hi Rage, BTW

[Edited by RB5#295 - 2/12/2003 4:42:52 PM]

RB5#295

The Jabba was an Ibiza with an IHI(?) conversion. It ran 344bhp 292 lb/ft.

One of the Revo guys (Mitch) told me that the new code lets the knock sensor detect detonation and compensate for it whereas the APR code tried to ctch it before the knock sensor did. Obviously that lets the engine run right to VW's safety margins then.

Fen

[Edited by RB5#295 - 2/12/2003 8:22:02 PM]