World Record Charity Donations
01 February 2003, 05:37 PM
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Hi Luke
Can't be locked at the top as people will not be able to reply.
We could put a sticky post at the top pointing to this, but I think we're at the final conclusion here that nobody has a complete solution...
so I'll give it another couple of days (feel free to btt it) and I'll then take a decision on how to deal with it as best as possible in the circumstances.
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Simon
Can't be locked at the top as people will not be able to reply.
We could put a sticky post at the top pointing to this, but I think we're at the final conclusion here that nobody has a complete solution...
so I'll give it another couple of days (feel free to btt it) and I'll then take a decision on how to deal with it as best as possible in the circumstances.
regards
Simon
02 February 2003, 12:23 AM
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Why is it so important that donations be gift-aided? IT sounds like yout cutting your nose off to spite your face.
Charities - any charity - would rather have some cash rather than continual hand wringing.
The solution is very simple. Simply tell people to send their pledge to whichever charity they want. Let it be a matter for those people whether they send it or not.
No one really needs to know how much was raised (unless SN is looking for some sort of acknowledgment)
It's time to put this to bed and move on. The longer it trundles on the more SN's reputation will be damaged.
ANYONE who has had the slighted bit of involvement with a charity can tell you that is is incredibly bureacratic.
And for future events, everything needs to be planned down to the last details ESPECIALLY where money is involved.
Sorry if this is negative but this issue has got to be resolved NOW. For SN's sake.
Charities - any charity - would rather have some cash rather than continual hand wringing.
The solution is very simple. Simply tell people to send their pledge to whichever charity they want. Let it be a matter for those people whether they send it or not.
No one really needs to know how much was raised (unless SN is looking for some sort of acknowledgment)
It's time to put this to bed and move on. The longer it trundles on the more SN's reputation will be damaged.
ANYONE who has had the slighted bit of involvement with a charity can tell you that is is incredibly bureacratic.
And for future events, everything needs to be planned down to the last details ESPECIALLY where money is involved.
Sorry if this is negative but this issue has got to be resolved NOW. For SN's sake.
02 February 2003, 12:28 AM
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Forgot to say...
SDB - Don't get hung up about not being able to honour what was originally agreed. Times move on. What was possible then, simply might not be possible now.
If people pledged but don't like the new circumstances than they have the option of not honouring that pledge.
Lastly, I do not think it is for anyone as an individual (as in your comment that YOU would decide) to decide anything.
SDB - Don't get hung up about not being able to honour what was originally agreed. Times move on. What was possible then, simply might not be possible now.
If people pledged but don't like the new circumstances than they have the option of not honouring that pledge.
Lastly, I do not think it is for anyone as an individual (as in your comment that YOU would decide) to decide anything.
02 February 2003, 12:49 AM
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thanks for enlightening us all.
so.. it's ok for YOU to decide what is the way forward is it?
Your suggestions are both obvious and completely irrelevant to the true discussion of this thread. Are you really suggesting that nobody else would have thought of your fabulous idea?
The purpose of this thread was to see if there was a suggestion that covered all of the original points mentioned. I assume you don't have a suggestion that covers this?
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webmaster
thanks for enlightening us all.
so.. it's ok for YOU to decide what is the way forward is it?
Your suggestions are both obvious and completely irrelevant to the true discussion of this thread. Are you really suggesting that nobody else would have thought of your fabulous idea?
The purpose of this thread was to see if there was a suggestion that covered all of the original points mentioned. I assume you don't have a suggestion that covers this?
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02 February 2003, 01:18 AM
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SDB
Be like that if you want. It it ain't my nuts in a vice 'cos I've promised something I can't deliver.
I don't recall saying I should decide anything. Maybe you want to point me to that bit in my post where I do.
Are you saying that it should be up to YOU to decide where the money goes?
Strange. By all means continue to wring your hands but the longer this rumbles on, the more damge will be done to SN's and your own credibility.
Given your past performance, do you think people will support you as keenly in your next venture?
Not getting personal, but sometimes people need to hear the reality of the situation.
Again, it is no skin of my nose - I wasn't even around here when this happened, but you've asked for help and I've given you a considered response. Ignore it if you so wish.
Be like that if you want. It it ain't my nuts in a vice 'cos I've promised something I can't deliver.
I don't recall saying I should decide anything. Maybe you want to point me to that bit in my post where I do.
Are you saying that it should be up to YOU to decide where the money goes?
Strange. By all means continue to wring your hands but the longer this rumbles on, the more damge will be done to SN's and your own credibility.
Given your past performance, do you think people will support you as keenly in your next venture?
Not getting personal, but sometimes people need to hear the reality of the situation.
Again, it is no skin of my nose - I wasn't even around here when this happened, but you've asked for help and I've given you a considered response. Ignore it if you so wish.
02 February 2003, 01:23 AM
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Just realised what you're up to. You want to collect the money first and then hand it over to the charities concerned. And at the same time keep everything above board.
Sounds like you're looking for an impossible solution. Just get people to pledge direct to the charity and mail you with the amount and the name of the chairty. Then once time is up, publish the pledges.
Why won't that do?
Sounds like you're looking for an impossible solution. Just get people to pledge direct to the charity and mail you with the amount and the name of the chairty. Then once time is up, publish the pledges.
Why won't that do?
02 February 2003, 01:56 AM
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PLease dont take this he wrong way, but, Most importantly it would seem a desision has to be made regarding which charity receives the donations.
No tax aid will be gained if moneys are placed in a 3rd party (Accountant/Solicitors) holding account. If a decision is made regarding which charity, then contact the pledgers and ask them to donate to that charity directly (as per cjones944)
But which charity?? Well the original idea was "Childrens Charities" so.... Childline/Children in need etc. You decide or put to a public vote. A large charity like the above passes funds out accross a wide range of needy causes hopefully fulfilling the wishes of most pledgers.
By donating direct you remove yourself from any legal or financial minefields and obtain the tax benefits.
Its a horrible situation, I dont envy you, but make the choice who gets the money, and you will do a great deal of good, which should outway the few detractors that dont agree with your Charity choice
Stick with it and Good luck
No tax aid will be gained if moneys are placed in a 3rd party (Accountant/Solicitors) holding account. If a decision is made regarding which charity, then contact the pledgers and ask them to donate to that charity directly (as per cjones944)
But which charity?? Well the original idea was "Childrens Charities" so.... Childline/Children in need etc. You decide or put to a public vote. A large charity like the above passes funds out accross a wide range of needy causes hopefully fulfilling the wishes of most pledgers.
By donating direct you remove yourself from any legal or financial minefields and obtain the tax benefits.
Its a horrible situation, I dont envy you, but make the choice who gets the money, and you will do a great deal of good, which should outway the few detractors that dont agree with your Charity choice
Stick with it and Good luck
02 February 2003, 02:49 AM
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02 February 2003, 11:01 AM
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Your entire post is telling us all how it should be done. The way you want it to be done is completely different to the original plan, so you are therefore saying that your decision as to how it should be done should be the way it is done.
This is the kind of decision I was going to take following the conclusion that what we had been trying to do for over a year could not be done (by the agreement of everyone here).
Maybe we should post up a thread to draw it all to a conclusion and try to do something about it? What do you think we're trying to do?
I'd love to be able to change the past, if you find a way of doing that please let me know. I'm just trying to change the present.
Have you actually READ this thread? Do you think it contains the reality of the situation already? Nothing you have post has given anyone ANY realities of any situations, it's just told people that you can spot the obvious.
But you've given a considered response to a totally different question.
Everyone here knows that the method you have suggested would be as easy as anything. It would be a very simple task to organise and takes absolutely no deep consideration to come up with. It does NOT however answer the question in this thread.
I'll draw you to my post on page one...
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HERE IS THE BOTTOM LINE
If NOBODY can come up with a suggestion which satisfies the above criteria (WHICH IS WHAT WAS AGREED BY PEOPLE WHO PLEDGED) in this thread a) DO NOT POST IN THIS THREAD and b) I WILL DECIDE ON AN ALTERNATIVE METHOD
quote off:
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Simon
I don't recall saying I should decide anything. Maybe you want to point me to that bit in my post where I do.
This is the kind of decision I was going to take following the conclusion that what we had been trying to do for over a year could not be done (by the agreement of everyone here).
the longer this rumbles on, the more damge will be done to SN's and your own credibility.
What do you think we're trying to do?
Given your past performance, do you think people will support you as keenly in your next venture?
Not getting personal, but sometimes people need to hear the reality of the situation.
you've asked for help and I've given you a considered response.
Everyone here knows that the method you have suggested would be as easy as anything. It would be a very simple task to organise and takes absolutely no deep consideration to come up with. It does NOT however answer the question in this thread.
I'll draw you to my post on page one...
quote :
HERE IS THE BOTTOM LINE
If NOBODY can come up with a suggestion which satisfies the above criteria (WHICH IS WHAT WAS AGREED BY PEOPLE WHO PLEDGED) in this thread a) DO NOT POST IN THIS THREAD and b) I WILL DECIDE ON AN ALTERNATIVE METHOD
quote off:
regards
Simon
02 February 2003, 12:08 PM
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You should be a politician. You clearly have no idea about what is and is not achievable.
You are only thinking about what good publicity this 'stunt' can generate for SN.
Don't forget 99% of the people who give their time or money to charity do so quietly, without fuss. They just get on with it.
A sad state of affairs when you are more concerned about missing out on publicity than actually gettting the cash to the charities.
You have my sympathy.
You are only thinking about what good publicity this 'stunt' can generate for SN.
Don't forget 99% of the people who give their time or money to charity do so quietly, without fuss. They just get on with it.
A sad state of affairs when you are more concerned about missing out on publicity than actually gettting the cash to the charities.
You have my sympathy.
02 February 2003, 12:17 PM
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what on EARTH are you talking about???
We are clearly having two totally different conversations here. I have absolutely NO IDEA where you have deduced your last conclusion from.
Publicity for ScoobyNet is the VERY VERY VERY last thing on our minds and I don't recall ANYTHING in this thread that relates to that / suggests it is in ANY WAY the case.
I really don't know how to respond as there is no subject matter to even clarify.
Can you not see we're just trying to resolve this?
We've realise we've cocked up, and are trying to make sure that it's not just our incompetence that has stopped us from doing what the original pledgers wanted to do, BEFORE we decide to do the next best option in order to get money to charities regardless of the original plan?
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We are clearly having two totally different conversations here. I have absolutely NO IDEA where you have deduced your last conclusion from.
Publicity for ScoobyNet is the VERY VERY VERY last thing on our minds and I don't recall ANYTHING in this thread that relates to that / suggests it is in ANY WAY the case.
I really don't know how to respond as there is no subject matter to even clarify.
Can you not see we're just trying to resolve this?
We've realise we've cocked up, and are trying to make sure that it's not just our incompetence that has stopped us from doing what the original pledgers wanted to do, BEFORE we decide to do the next best option in order to get money to charities regardless of the original plan?
regards
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02 February 2003, 12:24 PM
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By your own admission it is going to be very difficult to keep to the original terms of the agreement, but this hand wringing goes on.
I'll speel it out for you again, just in case you missed the relevant bit.
You email all pledgers telling them that the world has moved on a litte since 2001 and that you are asking them to make the pledge direct to a charity of THEIR choice. At the same time you ask them to email YOU with the amount and chairty of their pledge.
You collate and then annoucen that X amount was raised for Y charities.
Now do you understand. If you do not beleive this is a workable solution, please explain to me why not. Do not bring on a shi*** attitude. Remember it is YOU who asked US for help and ideas.
I've heard nothing so far that has persuaded from my postion that you are just looking for publicity for SN.
I'll speel it out for you again, just in case you missed the relevant bit.
You email all pledgers telling them that the world has moved on a litte since 2001 and that you are asking them to make the pledge direct to a charity of THEIR choice. At the same time you ask them to email YOU with the amount and chairty of their pledge.
You collate and then annoucen that X amount was raised for Y charities.
Now do you understand. If you do not beleive this is a workable solution, please explain to me why not. Do not bring on a shi*** attitude. Remember it is YOU who asked US for help and ideas.
I've heard nothing so far that has persuaded from my postion that you are just looking for publicity for SN.
02 February 2003, 12:34 PM
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I can only assume that you are trying to have a joke or something?
SURELY, you cannot be serious when you made your last post?
PLEASE READ CAREFULLY
ANYBODY HERE, including myself could have suggested the BLATANTLY OBVIOUS method you have suggested.
OF COURSE it's workable.
What you are doing is suggesting an ALTERNATIVE METHOD of moving forward. THIS IS WHAT I HAVE SAID I WILL DO AFTER THIS THREAD HAS COMPLETELY RUN IT'S COURSE.
THIS THREAD however is to see IF there is still a way forward that DOES cater for ALL of the criteria in my original post.
In the back of my mind i had EXACTLY the method you are describing as the fall-back AFTER this thread had come to the conclusion that there was NO WAY to satisfy the original requirements.
I would suggest that EVERY other person reading this thread would have suggested EXACTLY the same solution that you've suggested had they not realised that this thread was NOT for suggestions for alternatives, but was for suggestions as to ways of satisfying the original plan.
Really can't think of another way to explain this except to say.
Thank you.. but we don't want suggestions as to alternative methods. This thread is purely to see if there is a way forward that caters for ALL of the above requirements. As soon as we see there is NOT a way forward, we will make a decision on an ALTERNATIVE way forward (which - as it happens - will most likely be almost identical to the obvious one you've suggested)
I REALLY hope this is clear this time.
Regards
Simon
SURELY, you cannot be serious when you made your last post?
PLEASE READ CAREFULLY
ANYBODY HERE, including myself could have suggested the BLATANTLY OBVIOUS method you have suggested.
OF COURSE it's workable.
What you are doing is suggesting an ALTERNATIVE METHOD of moving forward. THIS IS WHAT I HAVE SAID I WILL DO AFTER THIS THREAD HAS COMPLETELY RUN IT'S COURSE.
THIS THREAD however is to see IF there is still a way forward that DOES cater for ALL of the criteria in my original post.
In the back of my mind i had EXACTLY the method you are describing as the fall-back AFTER this thread had come to the conclusion that there was NO WAY to satisfy the original requirements.
I would suggest that EVERY other person reading this thread would have suggested EXACTLY the same solution that you've suggested had they not realised that this thread was NOT for suggestions for alternatives, but was for suggestions as to ways of satisfying the original plan.
Really can't think of another way to explain this except to say.
Thank you.. but we don't want suggestions as to alternative methods. This thread is purely to see if there is a way forward that caters for ALL of the above requirements. As soon as we see there is NOT a way forward, we will make a decision on an ALTERNATIVE way forward (which - as it happens - will most likely be almost identical to the obvious one you've suggested)
I REALLY hope this is clear this time.
Regards
Simon
02 February 2003, 12:34 PM
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I dont think this slanging match is helping matters.
It was the first one of its type for scoobynet and assume it wasnt until money was to be collected in that the problems appeared.
I think SDB realizes it could have been handled better and that when this took place maximum good intentions were made. I also think this is still the case and the good intnetions hasnt changed at all and a nice simple solution would be great for everyone concerned.
Like Simon, I would assume you get people to sponsor you, you do the record, collect the money, present it to charity, job done. Sounds so simple and we have all done this in the past at school. Sponsored swims, sponsored walks, etc etc etc
The problem seems to be when a business does it there are serious complications tax wise. There are thousands of members on here with thousands of friends/families/contacts surely someone knows a way around this.
Lets try and keep the thread constructive as this aint helping anyone.
It was the first one of its type for scoobynet and assume it wasnt until money was to be collected in that the problems appeared.
I think SDB realizes it could have been handled better and that when this took place maximum good intentions were made. I also think this is still the case and the good intnetions hasnt changed at all and a nice simple solution would be great for everyone concerned.
Like Simon, I would assume you get people to sponsor you, you do the record, collect the money, present it to charity, job done. Sounds so simple and we have all done this in the past at school. Sponsored swims, sponsored walks, etc etc etc
The problem seems to be when a business does it there are serious complications tax wise. There are thousands of members on here with thousands of friends/families/contacts surely someone knows a way around this.
Lets try and keep the thread constructive as this aint helping anyone.
02 February 2003, 12:37 PM
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Hi Chris
Agreed.
I'll give it a little longer and then assume there is no way to achieve what we originally wanted and will publish a suggested alternative way. If there are no serious objections (meaning the majority of people posting dissagree) we'll just go with that as we've wasted way too much time trying to please everybody (through our own fault - mine particularly) and I just want to get it as right as possible.
cheers
Simon
Agreed.
I'll give it a little longer and then assume there is no way to achieve what we originally wanted and will publish a suggested alternative way. If there are no serious objections (meaning the majority of people posting dissagree) we'll just go with that as we've wasted way too much time trying to please everybody (through our own fault - mine particularly) and I just want to get it as right as possible.
cheers
Simon
02 February 2003, 02:58 PM
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Simon, rather than saying give it a bit more time. Can we have a definative deadline, say next friday? (just an example) where we say OK, we can't acheive the goal 100% as was hoped.
That way, once and for all we have a final date where we can say we all tried, lets move on.
Then Saturday (again an example, you choose the date) you post the alternative we vote on, no debating, just a yes/no answer. If the majority say yes we do that alternative.
I think we need a definate cut off date for this.
That way, once and for all we have a final date where we can say we all tried, lets move on.
Then Saturday (again an example, you choose the date) you post the alternative we vote on, no debating, just a yes/no answer. If the majority say yes we do that alternative.
I think we need a definate cut off date for this.
02 February 2003, 03:26 PM
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Good point John
The only reason I haven't said a definitive cut off date is that I'm working pretty much round the clock at present so can't plan anything too specifically, and I'd hate to say "friday" then not be able to look at it until 5 days later (which would actually be the case as I'll be in sweden).
To be honest, I was hoping to just make the cut off point tonight and try to find time to look at it tomorrow.
Also, agree it's a good idea that we have a yes / no vote only.
All the best
Simon
The only reason I haven't said a definitive cut off date is that I'm working pretty much round the clock at present so can't plan anything too specifically, and I'd hate to say "friday" then not be able to look at it until 5 days later (which would actually be the case as I'll be in sweden).
To be honest, I was hoping to just make the cut off point tonight and try to find time to look at it tomorrow.
Also, agree it's a good idea that we have a yes / no vote only.
All the best
Simon
02 February 2003, 03:34 PM
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OK, then just set the date for tonight. I was just using friday as an example.
I think everyone accepts you have done your upmost to meet the original goal, but it hasnt been posible. Once the date is final we can move on and get the vote on proceding over with quickly too. That would also need a cutoff date setting, a day allowed to vote should do it IMHO.
I think everyone accepts you have done your upmost to meet the original goal, but it hasnt been posible. Once the date is final we can move on and get the vote on proceding over with quickly too. That would also need a cutoff date setting, a day allowed to vote should do it IMHO.
03 February 2003, 08:35 PM
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Ladies and Gentlemen. It gives me great pleasure to declare this Post "back to the top"
Anyone with constructive info/help for Simon??
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Anyone with constructive info/help for Simon??
03 February 2003, 08:39 PM
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Had a response from the Charities Commision which I forwarded on to Simon and Shaun
I believe Simon will be making an announcement soon
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BTW well done Luke can I rent your services next time I want to sell something in he for sale forum
I believe Simon will be making an announcement soon
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BTW well done Luke can I rent your services next time I want to sell something in he for sale forum
04 March 2003, 10:46 PM
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I thought this discussion had been superceded by this thread - http://www.scoobynet.co.uk/bbs/threa...=176681&Page=1? Or have I missed something obvious?
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