well I openly admit I dont expect to have more than about 5 bhp more available on sunday..

I made a few changes, but the car has only been out twice since last well lane..

David

 

I thought you had decided not to run David ? Got the NOS up n running what turbo are you on now ?

 

Andy

No. Harvey will get more power. He has a bigger turbo on and has headers on!

There are other differences which I'm not going into but we'll see what happens on the day. If Harvey does not get more than me I would be amazed, I would also be amazed if Harvey did not get more power than last time

I'd expect Bob to get more also.. not saying that he knows my map inside out... and will ensure he beats me

That said Christian will trounce us all.. although AlanG is keeping fairly secret the mods he's done - we'll have to see on the day!

Its amazing how the emphasis has moved to Well Lane, previously it was PS then PE now Well Lane. To dispell any lingering doubters.. not naming any names but Adam M springs to mind I am going to the PE run on the 8th Feb to get a comparison.. I wont have done anything else between the runs as I'm in the States... so, asSuming the clutch is not slipping we'll see what the difference is.. hopefully it wont be raining at PE... or Well Lane, otherwise it aint a fair comparison...

 

Andy

Youre on the list aint ya?

You may make the top 10 cant guarantee it...

 

Steve, Top Ten ? me ? no way, i've read on this board that the following things will happen to my engine >>>>>>>>

The 20G compressor will be very laaaaagy

The turbo will blow too hot at high boost

The standard turbo thrust bearing will go if I run high boost

The heads will lift due to standard bolts

The head gaskets will blow

The standard wrx conrods will bend or snap

The standard Sti pistons will break a land


So the only thing left unbroken will be my heart ..............and
thats cos I've spent less than £1.5k on the complete set up.......
oh, and I'm in the AA to help get me home

Andy (last again)

 

andy, Im in too minds whether to run as yet..

David

 

Dave

You know you want to...........

Anyhow whose going to slag off my basic stereo system if your not there!

Andy

Funny you say that... you sure the car will actually make it to the event?.. you just cross your fingers mate and dont go too heavy on the accelerator on the way down

£1.5k... barsteward..... (multiply by about 40 and you get what I've spent on the car to date (inc the cost of it).. plenty of changed bits and stupid stereo ideas

Would be good to see a lot of people over 400bhp.. I hope I'm one - who knows....

 

steve, me and the car are coming.... just may not run.. see how it performs at the weekend...

and Ill bring a cd

David

 

Steve,

why do you keep referring to me?

not meaning to be rude but having not heard from you in a while I was under the impression that you had given up tuning and moved back to cossie land. Seriously though I wuld love to see your car make massive power, I know how long it has been annoying you not getting what you wanted from it, so I truly hope it gives you decent results.

With regard to higher compression meaning lower boost, I think you have taken it out of context. In general if you raise the compression then at a given boost the stress on the engine will be higher than on an equivalent low compression engine, so if you are at the limits boost wise of the lower compression and then you up it, it will either go pop or you'll have to retard the ignition a lot. If your car was no where near its mechnical boost limit then there is no reason why you cant raise the compression it just increases its likelihood of det. Of course high compression doesnt prevent you running high boost, wrc cars are over 10:1 and run over 2 bar in the mid range, be warned that you do have to map accordingly.

Out of interest I have raised the compression on my car as I think the potential returns outweigh the disadvantages (less advance).

Andy,

i thought you were taking the pi55 with your patent talk. Just to let you know, if you are serious, that from what I have read (with you leaving out the details) nothing you have discussed seems to be slightly patentable. I honestly thought it was a wind up. Is it not?

 

WOW!

What a thread! Extremely interesting. Some great technical info from those in the know.

Can't believe I've only just seen it.

Being as most of you guys are coming to Well Lane 4 on Sunday, dunno what will be more interesting to watch, the cars on the rollers or the scraps in the car park.

Seriously, it should be an awesome gathering on Sunday and I for one can't wait to see what everyone gets.

It's been great for me to see the evolution of cars from one RR day to the next. Let's hope in continues. At Well Lane 10, we'll probably all be wondering who is gonna crack 1000bhp!

See most of you Sunday, and....no fighting!

Rich

 

Adam,

You seem to be under the impression that requiring less advance in a higher compression ratio engine is a bad thing. As I understand it, you simply do not need to light up so far in advance of TDC in order to get the same burn. The actual number of degrees advance isn't really that important as long as its been calibrated correctly for the given engine and its ancilliaries and its desired use and fuel.

Just because scooby X runs 5 degrees more advance than scooby Y at a given load point does not automatically mean that scooby X is producing more power at that point than scooby Y. For example (of the top of my head, so probably lame ), car Y may be running a set of headers that significantly cut down on exhaust reversion, so the air fuel mix in that engine is not diluted by remaining exhaust as in the less efficient setup, therefore the mix should be easier to light up and should burn faster, so it should require less spark lead, although it will still provide at least as much power, if not more (as there is more mix in the space that would be otherwise occupied by burnt gas). It may be a lame example, but I believe the point stands.

As a minor point, the less spark lead you need, the less power there is lost where the cylinder you are lighting up is pushing against the engine before TDC.

Moray

 

Adam

Just read the first few words

I dont always keep referring to you... your getting paranoid...

Thanks for the words of encouragement and lets hope yours is on the road soon

The land of the Cossie...... nahhh thats a backward step... a forward step would be to erm... who knows....

 

Harvey,

as you felt the need to clear the air in terms of accuracy and honesty which is very much appreciated...I do feel the need to respond as you are posting regarding private correspondance.

"Mark and Trout they are clearly under a major misconception in that I am accusing Mark of copying my turbo"

Well unless I have severe brain fade when I emailed you yesterday expressing my disappointment at your specific reference to a good friend of mine in challenging - and in my own view of course - misleading terms on this board. I made no mention of anything about 'copying' turbos in my mail to you - I had no knowledge of any accusation or misconception at all. I would be happy for you to publish the email in full on this board. Otherwise a retraction - in the same way that I have retracted one of my erronoeous posts about you - to be in order.

"Trout, I understand your wish to help your friend but I think you do need to get your information accurate. Some of your posts sound very much like Mark talking."

I am quite capable of talking rubbish on my own Harvey. I am sure you know that

However the implication that Mark may have had a hand in any of these posts is a fact, or misconception that you have made I am afraid. Of course I have spoken to Mark over the past few days, as I do in the normal course of events. I am both an active customer, and yes a friend. In the same way that you are friends with a number of others posting here.

I think the only suggestion Mark has made regarding my posts has erred more towards the recommendation to shut up.

So if anyone is under the misconception that I have in any way represented Marks view I can only apologise - he would have been far more eloquent than myself regarding these issues as he knows far more about Subaru tuning than I do - and I would hate to think that anyone thinks my comments in anyway reflect his views.

My comments represent my views as a Subaru owner and amateur modifier over fours years, as a customer of many Subaru tuners - and based on my own observations, e.g. the inlet pipe - as Steve McCullochs car was one of the examples I was referring to earlier - and a problem I also have on my car.

As Andy F has said lets play nice - the tone of some of the posts and the deliberate provocation (mine included) - is not what this should be about.

Trout

PS It's funny how before any 'BIG' rolling road day the testosterone levels always go through the roof
PPS Andy I am looking forward to seeing your car run - you have clearly put a lot of work into it - but there will be one or two snapping at your heels

 

What the rods?

 

Andy,

yes I did say that an FE TD05 can make 400 BHP a long time ago, based on the fact that they have been known to do so.... I also said that they were good for running fairly high boost on a day to day basis, which is also true, but the two aren't necessarily related. You'll probably be fine running 1.8 bar in the midrange and tailing it down at the top, but if you want to run them hard at the hop, you'll have thrust bearing problems. To be honest I wasn't aware of the thrust bearing problems at that time, but when a guy who builds turbos for a living (not Mark, he supplies them, OK ?) tells you that he's being sent turbos to refurbish which have come off cars that are running the boost at the top, then either there really is an issue, or those who are running them are doing something wrong. The fact remains though, that this person is rebuilding these turbos because they do trash bearings....

I have to go now, but I'll hopefully get some time later to do a proper reply

Cheers,

Pat.

 

Pat, so what were the results on the JDM STi ?

 

Adam

Of course I wasn't serious about patenting it, despite it being the first of it's kind fitted to a scoob in the UK (AFAIK)

The fact that the compatability and reliability was questioned publically and via Email, it came as some surprise to find out that it was being copied for commercial gain so soon after divulging my spec and component suppliers

 

but there will be one or two snapping at your heels ...yes very good

So I'm the hare now am I ? With my lowly std'ish spec strange that !

Parts arrived David, Paul and Zak Thanks very much, off to fit them now..............

Andy

[Edited by Andy.F - 1/22/2003 6:07:46 PM]

 

Is Bob R. going to WL too, wonder what extras are under his bonnet

 

Andy,

what is being copied for commerical gain and by whom?

if you are referring to straight entry TD05s then I think your timing might be out.

 

let me know if they are ok.. i tried to clean them up as much as possible, but you can tell which I did last, but I expect they will work ok as they are free

Helps with the budget things, shame mine went to pot or I might actually consider copying you

David

 

Carlos

Hope I'm not speaking out of turn here but Bob's set up is similar to my own, except for a stronger block I beleive and Bob has a different turbo

Lets wait for the day and see who's smiling....

David

Now, now....hmmmmmm, then again....

I suppose pistons dont snap.... more melt.. 1 or 2.. nahhhh all 4??

Course when he woops us.. we may think differently.

I'm actually quite interested in what Chris/Mellow gets on his car, not that I'm biased towards Cossies, nahhh not me... well I still like them..

Knowing a few highly modded Sapphire Cossies, this one could get well over 500bhp if mapped properly. Didnt Mark Sheed get some good figures on his car to name one.... we can all go to the pub though while we wait for the Boost on the turbo to build up... he can ring us when its got to 0.5 bar... that'll give us a good 5 minutes to walk back!!

 

Hi Carlos, yes I'm going but primarily to help out someone with some mapping, if my car is in shape and if there is a slot, I will run it, tomorrow will tell.

Andy.F ... trouble is you're not "stealth" after last time ... lol. I'm also very much looking forward to seeing (and hearing) it run .

 

Steve,

I have a 1.4bar actuator here if you need one - saw you post in another thread but can't find it now....

...see you Sunday.

Trout

 

Trout

Thanks but Bob has ordered one for me and wont make much differnce on the day.. I hope

 

Yes Bob, you will hear it certainly !!! With the lack of boost control other than Dawes there is a fair bit surging going on at 3000rpm as it's already over 1 bar ! Barely noticable on the road but on the rollers with the engine being held back it may well be a problem.
If I have time then I'll run 2x dawes in parallel, one of them set for low boost on a rpm switch.
Yea, I know, I need to get a decent ECU

Adam - Maybe you missed the thread featuring my "dustbin lid" turbo with the "compressor the size of shropshire" ? The one that would be "very laaaaaaaaagy" and probably have a problem "blowing up compressor wheels" Well it fitted in the space and didnt "require custom up and downpipes"
The above is just a little clue that it's NOT a front entry TD05 I'm referring to but my hybrid TD05/06-20G.

Andy

 

Dont think I missed it, people just write in such riddles all the time that due to compound errors its hardly clear what anyone is referring to.

Perhaps if we all wrote what we thought apart from the nuclear fallout, things would be much easier to follow.

 

Clearly you still miss the point. When we write what we think then the post gets deleted
Anyhow, it is best that it doesn't get too personal, publically at least

 

no I dont think I did miss the point, even if I am not as clever as you, I think I have it figured out thanks.

I have learned a lot of technical stuff on scoobynet over the years, but I think I have learned more about human nature in the past three days.

 

I'd agree with you on your last point