Amanda-Jane

Why didn't you put a lotto ticket on?

Amanda x

LG John

Because we'd argue over what cars to buy with the winnings, seemed like hassle

SiPie

Driver error Driver error Driver error Driver error Driver error Driver error Driver error Driver error Driver error Driver error Driver error

Amanda-Jane

ok then, you're forgiven (this time only though!)

Amanda x

SiPie

We've discussed this and as you clearly point out the tyres were your probable cause. Then the fuel problem.... but I've heard this can happen at anything up to half a tank so where do you draw the line??

V-techland

For all of you who haven't seen, please copy and paste this link, and see what the next phase of Saxo boys ordeal would have looked like!!!!!!!!!

www.craiglumley.com/pathy/

Now this isn't me (as I have yet to get my Scoob!), but it really does go to show that 4x4 + Power does not = INVINCIBILITY!!!

Saxo boy, its good that this lesson learned has hopefully prevented you from doing this again! lets just hope that other Scoob owners don't need the the same 'I've done that' experience to take on board the potential dangers posed.

Hopefully you have resolved the problem before AJ puts your car on this site in P/X for an Impreza sport!

Amanda-Jane

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!! I would NEVER let him get a sport!

Amanda

LG John

Sipie, you really are a git you know that

I've had it at up to and just over a 1/4 of a tank before but usually I remember to check fuel levels before having fun in the twisties. Can't believe I forgot this time

The scooby isn't very snappy (not like the VTS) so I'm sure that despite lossing power mid-bend I could have kept it all safe and secure if I had some rubber at the rear. As I said, my thoughts on it are that it was caused by a combination of things (tyres, starvation, etc) and yes driver error probalby did play a part....I'm only human

My reason for posting was to try and stress to people to be aware of what I believe is a dangerous design/engineering flaw. I've chucked the VTS round that road at the same speeds when well into the red line with no problems at all and its a £10k hatch.....what were subaru thinking??

Another point, in the past when I've had starvation its been very violent, far more so than fuel cut. I can only assume this isn't good for the engine????!!

LG John

V-TECHLAND I was a participant in the thread about pathfinders crash. Many people were getting on at him and I pointed out that most scooby owners at some point get away with something and think '**** that was close' Can't believe I was thinking that again so soon after

I know the above doesn't bode well but I've had a number of people comment of late on how much of a ***** I am when driving the scooby. I only drive it like that when I'm on my own and the roads seem clear.

CELL

Interesting,

I personally dont push my scoob too hard, i simply couldnt face trashing it. ( or someone else)
not to mention insurance renewal premiums

I do think imprezas give you a false sense of security handling wise. One minute you have total control, the next you can tell you have very nearly pushed it too far.

Fat Boy

Not trying to say anything smart, but why don't you go to someone like Don Palmer , £300ish but money very well spent. He will take you up to and over your limit in the car (ie lift off at high speed to simulate fuel cut to recreate the lift off oversteer you suffered) somwehere safe like Bruntingthorpe and generally teach you stuff you would never imagine. I used to rally cars years ago and went along as company to a friend, not expecting to learn anything and had my eyes opened.Better modification than any power boost etc..

BaldyMan

Oi whats wrong with SPORTS

you'd find it hard to get away form one on the bendies

LG John

Probably some good advice but I really know all I feel I need to know for road driving. If I knew more techniques I might start to feel I could push it even more, hence further increasing the risk. I know that I lost it last week but it is very rare for me to be caught out like that. I usually know exactly where the cars limits are, which end, if any is being unsettled (and how to correct) and I'm always checking ahead for camber changes, dogs, leaves, wet-patches, drains, etc.

I'm not saying I couldn't be taught new tricks (quite the opposite) but at the moment I know my limits. I'd be worried I'd adopt a 'I've been trained' attitude and push it further on the roads when I probably shouldn't.

Hope that made some sense!

V-techland

I hope you don't circum to peer pressure!! are these ***** calling chanters Subaru owners themselves??

Mate I wasn't actually having a go, I was just emphasising the fact that one persons experience can INVAULABLY be another mans gain.

I hope you didn't do any damage to the differential!

Ray_li

Well its a good job you came out vertical.
Have you driven down the same road yet at great speends or it it going to be a "no no i'm not driving down there for a bit"

Ray

V-techland

Sorry Baldyman, that wasn't meant as a direct challenge to Sports, it was more a 'all looks and less go' that someone would experience going from a Blower to a normally aspirated!

My mates actually got quite a nice sport in Mica with 18" P1 wheels, turbo bonnet etc etc

RichardPON

Saxoboy,

Pleased for you that you made it out in one piece, but I can't believe no-one's roasted you on that fuel tank issue.

I'm sorry, but that is just simply the biggest load of bollox I've ever heard. Do you realise how little fuel would have to be in the car to lose all power like that?

You openly admit that your rears tyres were bald on the inside edges - do you not think that coupled with some interesting weight transfer issues versus lack of tyre contact patch might have something to do with it?

At the end of the day, you're an inexperienced driver who lost the back end - simple as.

Like I say, happy that you didn't ding the car or injure yourself, but when it becomes a contest between you losing it on bald tyres, or a Subaru design fault, I think you've got a lot of front criticsing Subaru.

Denzil_Dog

excuses excuses

Scooby-Doo

I think you may find fuel cut does not only happen when you are low on fuel. I have a roundabout near me (national speed limit) that I have fun on when it is empty and you always have the fuel cut at about 6,000 rpm once the car is straightened up. I thought this was a problem with the car but have been advised it is a known problem and you need a swirl pot in the tank to rectify it.

Feel free to correct me if I'm talking *****.


David

TaviaRS

Not having a go, but

the above quotes make me feel that you don't and that you have lots to learn. Put it down to youthful exuberance and get some training. I admit that although I have driven over 1 million road miles in all sorts of conditions and have in the past taken part in motorsports competitively, I still have things to learn. Learning can be fun and if that fails at worst you could book yourself on either a skidpan or better yet an airfield trackday so you can explore what your car does in various eventualities. That is one of the first things I do when IO buy any new car, mainly because at least then I know what it will do. A public road is not the place to find either the car's limits or yours.

As I say, not having a pop, I remember having a moment like that when I was about 18. Just learn from it.

Fat Boy

Saxo

I don't agree mate. You didn't know enough I'm afraid ie where the limit was, and you went over it. I used to be the same as you and I approached the driving course in an arrogant manner, as in what can this bloke possibly teach me, Rallygod ?

Loads,and I am a much better driver on the road and track now than I was before.

Check out Jeff Wiltshire's post today. Jeff and TaviaRS are good drivers, I hear Jeff has had competition experience as well and Tavia spends his time embarassing much faster cars (on paper) around the Nurburgring. Neither of these two have a closed mind.

I tried to say it nicely the first time

Amanda-Jane

Ok,I just have to say this now.

Yes, Kenny is young and he will learn from this as he has talked to me about since it happened.

I have only really been out with Kenny in the car a few times and the first time he was pushing although not as much as he was last week and I don't think I have felt that relaxed with somebody I don't really know that well driving that quick. Ok, it was roads he knows well but still, he is actually not what you lot expect. I can imagine you all thinking some mad boy racer but he's not, it's more like me that would try to race every car in sight

He drives quite sensibly for his age and the type of car he has. I know what I was like then and even now I just can't help myself behind the wheel of a car with power .

I believe that there were several contributing factors to this and Kenny has learned from it. All he wanted to do was just share his experience.

Think of it this way, if somebody else posted would you be thinking the same way? Doubt it!

Amanda

Vate

LoL
110mph through a series of gentle left, right bends on the public road. This seriously shows lack of experience. Any highly qualified driver would disagree that apart from an empty motorway, nowhere near a slip road, there are very few roads safe at that speed. Sorry to say you got what you deserved. A lesson. Nobody should be hurt even if through their own idiocy but if you continue to drive in this fashion you will only have yourself to blame. At 110mph you are covering c.48m/sec. If somebody who wasn't expecting a vehicle to be comong round the bend at 110mph pulled out. Well you don't need a degree to work out what would happen. I learnt a long time ago that safe fast driving has little to do with your own ability and a whole lot to do with the ability of other road users. If we all were alert, fast drivers the roads could be more fun but alas for every good driver there are many bad ones. Do yourself a favour, save the high speed stuff for a time off the public highway. I don't know you but I have read many of your posts and I wouldn't like to see a 'tribute to Saxo-boy' one.

Gordo

glad to hear you're ok, mate

good to see an honest post for a change without all of the plant eating nobbers flaming you

get some new tyres and have another go

Gordo

Amanda-Jane

<GF mode on here>

Would you like to tell me where Kenny said that he was doing 110mph? I think you will find he was talking about the angle the car was pointing at that time! [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]

If you are gonna flame somebody, get your facts right!

Amanda

Little Miss WRX

I am going to sound like I am preaching BUT:

I was like you, I thought I knew everything, yes I could drive incredibly fast and that isn't a brag . In short, I was a lunatic at times and foolish.
I loved pushing the car to it's limits, loved "losing it and getting it back"

Trouble is, I did lose it and didn't recover it.

I remember a conversation with someone about my driving which started to make me think about the speeds I did and the risks I took.

Strange thing is, it was only when I was a passenger in an accident which involved another car, did I sit down and think how little it takes for an accident to happen.
The faster you drive coupled with road conditions and how mcuh you are willing to risk increases your chance of an accident and increases the chance of someone else being involved.

Maybe it is about time you took that enthusiasm on track and stopped using it on the road.

I am 23 years old, I still like to have a blast, but at the back of my mind is the reality that anything could happen.

I hope you don't learn the hard way SB.

davyboy

Come to the Nurburgring mate!

....and learn a bit more about you and your car.

EvilBevel

Kenny, I don't know if you already do or not, but have you considered trackdays ?

Not a dig, just a thought about possibly having somewhere safe to exploit your car (and yourself).

There are some pretty cheap trackdays now splattered all over the board

Your post is honest, so I don't see any need for flaming, but I'm with Fatboy here as well. Don Palmer etc might actually slow you down a bit on the road, whilst becoming a more accomplished driver at the same time. You then go to trackdays to really unleash what you learned.

Richard, yeah the Impreza has a bit of a problem with fuel delivery, but I doubt to be honest that with half bald tyres you can get it to kick in that easy. It might have contributed or might not, who'll say. But it would not be the "cause" IMHO.

TaviaRS

How terribly grown up

My intention was not to flame Kenny. I've read a lot of his posts and know that he is reasonably sensible, BUT from his post (brave of him to admit it) it shows inexperience. Luckily he has the chance to remedy that.

Oh, Saxoboy, get your geometry checked. And if you don't feel like getting some training, check in a daily newspaper to make sure that the moon is in the correct alignment with Mercury before taking it out for a drive with less than 1/2 a tank of fuel!

Little Miss WRX

Great minds think alike Theo.

Good to catch you in a thread