Anyone noticed lots of asylum seekers in your area?
01 November 2002, 09:03 AM
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Howdoes it affect us..........Er the absolute wedge the government are paying to support these guys. A lot of em come from France claiming asylum......But there in France already why not seek asylum there.......?
The answer because Britain is a soft touch and they will have a better life than most lower income familys already here......France don't put up with that kinda SH*T.......
The answer because Britain is a soft touch and they will have a better life than most lower income familys already here......France don't put up with that kinda SH*T.......
01 November 2002, 03:32 PM
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Southend has been blasted with a load too.
How does it affect me? By making my neighbourhood feel very unsafe. The vast majority of women here will no longer walk down the High Street unaccompanied due to the menacing presence of these people. [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]
Persecuted? My ****. Free meal ticket and they know it. Anyone who says differently is just being politically correct for the sake of being politically correct, IMO.
How does it affect me? By making my neighbourhood feel very unsafe. The vast majority of women here will no longer walk down the High Street unaccompanied due to the menacing presence of these people. [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]
Persecuted? My ****. Free meal ticket and they know it. Anyone who says differently is just being politically correct for the sake of being politically correct, IMO.
01 November 2002, 04:00 PM
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'But you cant have everything if you want to live in a multi-cultural society' !!! 
Funny how a lot of the drugs trade is being run by certain ethnic groups from the producing countries of origin for the goods.
Im not saying they have had any influence on the Society I grew up in, but some of them have gone through the hell of religious wars with armed gangs roaming the towns at will.
Of course it could just be coincidence that violent and sex crimes have increased???.
Funny how a lot of the drugs trade is being run by certain ethnic groups from the producing countries of origin for the goods.
Im not saying they have had any influence on the Society I grew up in, but some of them have gone through the hell of religious wars with armed gangs roaming the towns at will.
Of course it could just be coincidence that violent and sex crimes have increased???.
01 November 2002, 04:54 PM
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I know you're not going to like this, but..
I've just been looking at the Home Office website (www.homeoffice.gov.uk), where they publish the immigration stats. I assume some of you'll dismiss this as propaganda if it disagrees with your gut feelings, i.e. prejudice.
In 2001, there were 71,365 applications for asylum. (If they were all accepted, that would represent about 0.1% of the UK population). Interestingly, in the same year, 108,825 work permit holders were allowed in, i.e. people who are *guaranteed* to be 'taking our jobs' - as if we all *deserved* a job!
By the way, a funny thing about political oppression. It isn't just political activists who're oppressed. People are oppressed, hated, starved, disposessed and killed by their own governments and their neighbours just for being born the wrong colour, the wrong ethnic group or in just the wrong area of a tiny town. Political activists are ones who forget to keep quiet about it.
By the way, I'd rather you didn't write this off as political correctness. PC was a good idea that got hijacked. It was originally about treating people like human beings, and challenging a bunch of sloppy assumptions and thoughtless generalisations. Hence, when someone says '****** in the woodpile', it'd be reasonable to ask what's wrong with being a ******. However, it ended up being diluted by a lot of people who preferred silly blanket rules (such as the infamous 'greenboards') rather than applying some intelligence.
Have a nice weekend.
I've just been looking at the Home Office website (www.homeoffice.gov.uk), where they publish the immigration stats. I assume some of you'll dismiss this as propaganda if it disagrees with your gut feelings, i.e. prejudice.
In 2001, there were 71,365 applications for asylum. (If they were all accepted, that would represent about 0.1% of the UK population). Interestingly, in the same year, 108,825 work permit holders were allowed in, i.e. people who are *guaranteed* to be 'taking our jobs' - as if we all *deserved* a job!
By the way, a funny thing about political oppression. It isn't just political activists who're oppressed. People are oppressed, hated, starved, disposessed and killed by their own governments and their neighbours just for being born the wrong colour, the wrong ethnic group or in just the wrong area of a tiny town. Political activists are ones who forget to keep quiet about it.
By the way, I'd rather you didn't write this off as political correctness. PC was a good idea that got hijacked. It was originally about treating people like human beings, and challenging a bunch of sloppy assumptions and thoughtless generalisations. Hence, when someone says '****** in the woodpile', it'd be reasonable to ask what's wrong with being a ******. However, it ended up being diluted by a lot of people who preferred silly blanket rules (such as the infamous 'greenboards') rather than applying some intelligence.
Have a nice weekend.
02 November 2002, 05:19 PM
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hmm.....very tame emotions on the issue I see.......Im quite surprised cos i thought ud all be pissed off with these asylum seeking folk cos of the way they go about ......anyway, maybe its just me....
02 November 2002, 06:17 PM
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Why not send them into the gas chamber? The heat produced by the human bodies would be sufficient to heat a whole council estate. The Germans pefected this technique in WW2.
02 November 2002, 06:40 PM
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Turboman,
Some peoples emotions are quite a bit stronger on this matter but i have a feeling that some people (myself included) are trying to tame thier comments on this board to avoid offending others.
Some peoples emotions are quite a bit stronger on this matter but i have a feeling that some people (myself included) are trying to tame thier comments on this board to avoid offending others.
02 November 2002, 07:01 PM
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You won't offend me.
I just can not see how they really directly affect you?
They just seem to be an easy target to me, you can almost talk about them in a racist manner and it appears to be OK.
I just can not see how they really directly affect you?
They just seem to be an easy target to me, you can almost talk about them in a racist manner and it appears to be OK.
02 November 2002, 07:06 PM
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Basically I don't have any problems with asylum seekers even the lazy thieving scum that fill up certain areas of some towns. I have a problem with a government that lets them come here and puts them up in hotels or to take the **** even more pays hotel rates to have them put in normal houses and provided with breakfast every day (usually less than £20 a week from liddle btw). I also have a problem with companies being able to treat low level employees like **** because they know they can employ people with very little understanding of english for a very low rate and give them all the crap they want. At the end of the day If our government allows it what do people expect.
02 November 2002, 07:13 PM
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How do you recognise them as asylum seekers? Big tattoo on their head? Yellow star sewn onto their jacket? Or just "people who don't look like us"?
Funny how one person says "they take all our low paid jobs" and someone else says "Bloody scroungers won't do any work". Great choice they have to win approval, obviously.
Presumably, if they all walked into 60k pa IT jobs, most of scoobynet would also be complaining that the "asylum seekers" are kicking them out of their jobs.
Sorry, I think most of the comments above have been made by prats who can't be bothered to find out the real facts and just read the Daily Mail, or the Sun. There's some seriously racist and distorted shyte around for the weak of mind.
Friend of mine has gone on from her law degree to work in Croydon Immigration Office, interviewing these people. Some of them are obvious scroungers "I walked across the desert in an hour", and they are on the next plane out. The others, who have the whip scars across their backs from the local police, are questioned a bit more.
Thank you for posting a few facts up above. As for the rest of the scare-mongering - shove it.
Funny how one person says "they take all our low paid jobs" and someone else says "Bloody scroungers won't do any work". Great choice they have to win approval, obviously.
Presumably, if they all walked into 60k pa IT jobs, most of scoobynet would also be complaining that the "asylum seekers" are kicking them out of their jobs.
Sorry, I think most of the comments above have been made by prats who can't be bothered to find out the real facts and just read the Daily Mail, or the Sun. There's some seriously racist and distorted shyte around for the weak of mind.
Friend of mine has gone on from her law degree to work in Croydon Immigration Office, interviewing these people. Some of them are obvious scroungers "I walked across the desert in an hour", and they are on the next plane out. The others, who have the whip scars across their backs from the local police, are questioned a bit more.
Thank you for posting a few facts up above. As for the rest of the scare-mongering - shove it.
02 November 2002, 08:06 PM
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Some people try hard and succeed! They deserve it.
Some people sit on their **** and fail! They deserve it.
The 3rd world will drag us down to their own level.
Charity begins at home!!
Some people sit on their **** and fail! They deserve it.
The 3rd world will drag us down to their own level.
Charity begins at home!!
02 November 2002, 08:32 PM
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This is why we need to support the **** party instead of shunning it away. Look how prosperous Germany was in WW2. By getting rid of immigrants (in the gas chamber) they have managed to reduce unemployment a lot by forcefully filling the low paying jobs with locals, which used to be shunned by them.
03 November 2002, 08:08 AM
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I can't see the relvance of where someone comes from if they are lazy. I'm pretty ashed to be British when I see some of the behaviour of our countrymen. Some of the youngsters I work with are lazy and think they are owed a living. I have no trouble with someone who will do a job taking the jobs some of our bone idle state scrounging scum won't.
Think back 20 years and recall the lack of racial integaration. Nobody tried to understand eachother and people defneded themselves with hostility. How things have moved on. Each new ethnic group brings its own challenges but its down to us to understand them and make them feel part of our country so they understand the expectations we have .
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Think back 20 years and recall the lack of racial integaration. Nobody tried to understand eachother and people defneded themselves with hostility. How things have moved on. Each new ethnic group brings its own challenges but its down to us to understand them and make them feel part of our country so they understand the expectations we have .
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03 November 2002, 08:38 AM
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Interesting thread.
I have been to Kosova twice since the recent war ended, once in 1999 whenthe shooting had just stopped and again six months later to take a minibus to a kids centre. The situation is very complex and one line "sound bites" just show peoples ignorance of the whole asylum situation.
Personally, I admire the people I know in Kosova who have stayed to work in their community and help to rebuild it. Some have taken the easier option of heading for UK but others are definately persecuted in their home country.
Unless you have been there, it is hard to understand the hatred that people can fell for different groups (perhaps Northern Ireland is similar, I don't know?). Young intelligent people that have seen atrocities before their own eyes will bear the scars for many years.
I have worked with various projects to help promote peace and understanding between the various groups in recent years but it is a long and difficult process.
As said by others, there are some interesting thoughts on this thread but unfortunately some people can type faster than they can think.
I have been to Kosova twice since the recent war ended, once in 1999 whenthe shooting had just stopped and again six months later to take a minibus to a kids centre. The situation is very complex and one line "sound bites" just show peoples ignorance of the whole asylum situation.
Personally, I admire the people I know in Kosova who have stayed to work in their community and help to rebuild it. Some have taken the easier option of heading for UK but others are definately persecuted in their home country.
Unless you have been there, it is hard to understand the hatred that people can fell for different groups (perhaps Northern Ireland is similar, I don't know?). Young intelligent people that have seen atrocities before their own eyes will bear the scars for many years.
I have worked with various projects to help promote peace and understanding between the various groups in recent years but it is a long and difficult process.
As said by others, there are some interesting thoughts on this thread but unfortunately some people can type faster than they can think.
03 November 2002, 12:55 PM
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Yes many people will see them as subhuman.......but what the hell has sending them to gas chambers got to do with it????????????
I have no problems with genuine asylum seekers........after all we are part of the Geneva Convention and must adhere to our promises...its just the economic migrants that are the problem.........
The solution...let the genuine (ie about 2%) of them stay and send the others back...but GAS CHAMBERS???????WTF.
I have no problems with genuine asylum seekers........after all we are part of the Geneva Convention and must adhere to our promises...its just the economic migrants that are the problem.........
The solution...let the genuine (ie about 2%) of them stay and send the others back...but GAS CHAMBERS???????WTF.
03 November 2002, 01:02 PM
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Do you have problems slaughtering cows or anything for food? Why have problems with the gas chamber? Its a more humane thing to do to them and you're shortening their sufferrings in their lives.
It takes about 30 seconds to die in the gas chamber which is good compared to 30-40 years of slowly dying, painfully. Which would you rather prefer?
edit: Thats the problem with people nowadays. We'd no sooner send them to their death in the slowest possible manner, as long as its not done on our soil but we're scared of helping them for fear of being overun. I also love the way that we're willing to fight America's war on terrorism and Iraq even though that we can't afford it and it wasn't our problem to begin with (hell we had a good relationship with the moslem community beforehand). Add to the fact that most Americans view the IRA as glorious freedom fighters, not terrorist and even goes so far as to donating money and openly supporting their cause, it just makes me laugh. Hypochrisy can be found everywhere wouldn't you say?
[Edited by Katana - 11/3/2002 1:12:00 PM]
It takes about 30 seconds to die in the gas chamber which is good compared to 30-40 years of slowly dying, painfully. Which would you rather prefer?
edit: Thats the problem with people nowadays. We'd no sooner send them to their death in the slowest possible manner, as long as its not done on our soil but we're scared of helping them for fear of being overun. I also love the way that we're willing to fight America's war on terrorism and Iraq even though that we can't afford it and it wasn't our problem to begin with (hell we had a good relationship with the moslem community beforehand). Add to the fact that most Americans view the IRA as glorious freedom fighters, not terrorist and even goes so far as to donating money and openly supporting their cause, it just makes me laugh. Hypochrisy can be found everywhere wouldn't you say?
[Edited by Katana - 11/3/2002 1:12:00 PM]
03 November 2002, 04:05 PM
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I don't know what you are trying to prove by your posts but you are coming across as and ignorant racist. I dare say thats not intended and your feeling on this matter are due to your own worldly experiences .
I live in an area with a very high number of refugees and whilst I can understand peoples frustrations , this pales into insignificance next to what many of these people have had to put up with.
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I live in an area with a very high number of refugees and whilst I can understand peoples frustrations , this pales into insignificance next to what many of these people have had to put up with.
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03 November 2002, 04:19 PM
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Davyboy keeps asking, how does it affect you. what a selfish attitude to his fellow country men (and women) sorry.
Just cos he has a good job etc, he has no feelings for English on low wage who see all the council property disapearing before his eyes. The fact is if you are a genuine asylum seeker you seek asylum in your first free country, not one at the other end of the continent.
My question is where will it end?
At the moment the economy is bouyant but when we hit the next recession, who's going to support all these ppl?
As pointed out, it's not their fault, if there was a country I could go to that gave me a better std of living for not working i'd go, it's human nature.
Just cos he has a good job etc, he has no feelings for English on low wage who see all the council property disapearing before his eyes. The fact is if you are a genuine asylum seeker you seek asylum in your first free country, not one at the other end of the continent.
My question is where will it end?
At the moment the economy is bouyant but when we hit the next recession, who's going to support all these ppl?
As pointed out, it's not their fault, if there was a country I could go to that gave me a better std of living for not working i'd go, it's human nature.
03 November 2002, 09:33 PM
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Katana,
Do you have a lttle inch long tache and only one ******** ?
You cant talk about gassing people (even in jest, which I dont think you were), sure they may be a pain in the **** and scrounge but they are no less human than you (maybe more so based on your comments).
I am nice and comfy, house, cars, PS2 and a job in IT (no surprise there then but just suppose that there was a war here and it all went to nothing, hmm, where would I go and what would I do,I would try and improve my families situation and go somewhere more attractive and safe.
Your life and stability is not guaranteed, we have had earthquakes recently, only minor but what if they were worse and the whole place fell down around our ears ?
I must add that where I live I dont see any and am probably a bit more charitable than if I was surrounded by them, in fact where I live we rarely see anyone other than the white middle classes which is a bit unrepresentative of British Society these days
Do you have a lttle inch long tache and only one ******** ?
You cant talk about gassing people (even in jest, which I dont think you were), sure they may be a pain in the **** and scrounge but they are no less human than you (maybe more so based on your comments).
I am nice and comfy, house, cars, PS2 and a job in IT (no surprise there then but just suppose that there was a war here and it all went to nothing, hmm, where would I go and what would I do,I would try and improve my families situation and go somewhere more attractive and safe.
Your life and stability is not guaranteed, we have had earthquakes recently, only minor but what if they were worse and the whole place fell down around our ears ?
I must add that where I live I dont see any and am probably a bit more charitable than if I was surrounded by them, in fact where I live we rarely see anyone other than the white middle classes which is a bit unrepresentative of British Society these days
03 November 2002, 10:58 PM
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If these asylum seekers were white, looked British and spoke perfect English, would it matter so much?
It's racism and a spot of xenophobia.
It's racism and a spot of xenophobia.
03 November 2002, 11:41 PM
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Fatherpierre,
I agree that using colour and race to distinguish is racism. As far as language is concerned than i believe that any immigrants coming into this country should at least attempt to learn the language if they have any intention of taking up permanent residence here.
I don't consider myself a racist but i do not like the idea of people coming into this country and taking from it without giving anything back to it. I don't mean money/charity and stuff.... What annoys me more is that there is very little attempt to understand and/or integrate with other cultures and accept that we have differing opinions and ideas.
I work with many people from other cultures and have had interesting discussions about poitics/religion/culture with several of them. But, i must say that a majority of the people i encounter are ignorant and consider their own views as the 'right' ones and look down upon us for having different views.
If not liking people who are not willing to appreciate different beliefs makes me a racist ... then i am a racist.
I agree that using colour and race to distinguish is racism. As far as language is concerned than i believe that any immigrants coming into this country should at least attempt to learn the language if they have any intention of taking up permanent residence here.
I don't consider myself a racist but i do not like the idea of people coming into this country and taking from it without giving anything back to it. I don't mean money/charity and stuff.... What annoys me more is that there is very little attempt to understand and/or integrate with other cultures and accept that we have differing opinions and ideas.
I work with many people from other cultures and have had interesting discussions about poitics/religion/culture with several of them. But, i must say that a majority of the people i encounter are ignorant and consider their own views as the 'right' ones and look down upon us for having different views.
If not liking people who are not willing to appreciate different beliefs makes me a racist ... then i am a racist.