STE.W.

Won't be going any further with power increases to the car. I think it's fast enough now for what I use it for.

It was supposed to be a family car with good carrying potential for me and the rest of the lads when we go to watch rallying etc.
Its all the above but I keep buggerin about with it and trying to turn it into a Porsche killer.

The other half is going mental because I keep braking promises on not modifying cars.

Cleaning the heads is the way to go as far as keeping costs down.
I'll start planning for the future I think.

Cheers for all the help.

UkLegacyT

good luck with the car mate

STE.W.

Thanks Ian.

Just to take a step back a bit.

I still think it would be beneficial to everyone with a Legacy T to post on here safe and reliable ways to increase the enjoyment they get from their cars so we can all utilse or assist people in the way you guys have helped me.

"Oscar winning speach" over!

UkLegacyT

i appreciate what you are saying, but i think the reason for people, myself included, not posting what they accept as 'reliable' power mods and boost etc is because at times, these engines are far from reliable, and where one engine can get away with mega boost for a while, another can let go on reasonably low boost.

ian

UkLegacyT

on the other hand, when i have completed my mods and rolling roaded it, i will be posting my results with mods list etc so others can see what mods gained what power/torque as a guide.

it wont be the most powerful car on scoobynet by any means, but will give others like yourself an idea.

Turbo_Steve

Good man!

mmmmm...porsche killer.....mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


I love my legacy. Police stop me and ask me what it is! No points...just ask me what it is!


Need more power though.
The car feels a bit numb and would benefit from 300bhp or so.

UkLegacyT

'The car feels a bit numb and would benefit from 300bhp or so'

thats what made me mod mine
its the long gearing that use to do my head in, except for motorway of course.

ustolemyname??stevieturbo

iTrader: (1)

Porsche killer??? Aim a little higher. Most Porsches arent that quick.

STE.W.

Morning, nice to see the thread continuing nicely.

Ian, I agree with you that some people would expect to be able to buy a Subaru and bang 300 horses straight in to it without checking for reliability 1st.

It wasnt just engine mods I was thinking of. On this thread alone I have received more info on the Legacy T than at any other time I've been looking through Scooby net. (I also try to use "search" to find things out before asking)

Things like brakes, wheels, overload protection etc have been covered. These sort of things can be fitted without blowing up the car due to power greedy drivers going too far.

I have tried different tyres, have got a set of my97 struts to go on when I find the time. I 've tried getting as close to Prodrive geom settings as poss but found the car pushes on too much. Pete @ Scooby Sport has advised "equal parallel" rear geom settings and I will give this a try.

Actually now I come to think of it - I've tried quite a bit of kit that I could post up as advice on here. Some worked, some most def. did not!

The above information would be beneficial to anyone who drives these cars quickly.

If people have tried and tested ideas that work then thats the sort of thing I think would be good for every one interested.

This has started to sound like I'm having a go! Thats not my intention at all. I am over the moon by the response to this thread and am well chuffed that people have helped out.

Sorry for insulting you about Porsche Killing - would Lambourghini Waisting be any better!!

Tried "Lucas oil additive" last night but made only the slightest of differences to the tappets by the way. I'm gonna nip down to the local scrappy and get a TDI badge if this continues any longer!

Thanks again.

STE.W.

UkLegacyT

TDi badge...lol

im currently only at the trying stage on my engine, the fact that its only done 1350miles since i rebuilt it, so only using 1 bar boost at the moment.
however, to prove if you get the efficiency correct, its now quicker at 1 bar than it was before at 1.7/1.8bar !
and ive still got to make an up-pipe and front entry conversion for the turbo...then sort the boost higher and get fuelling correct etc...so it should go very well.

ian

STE.W.

Ian, whate safe guards did you have in place and how did you get round the fuel cut??

I SPOOKILY enough had a run in with a Boxster last night when trying out the lucas additive. Didnt have a problem at all apart from some kamikazi sheep trying to wipe itself out in the middle of the road. I bottled it @ 120 but he was trying though.(the bloke in the Porsche not the sheep!)
Ater taking a detour( going via C to get to B) I hit fuel cut in 3rd. It was bloody freezing and I was going up hill out ont moors.

I knocked the Dawes back a flat and everything was ok after that.

Still scared the cr@p out of me though!

I don't know whether I should have left the setting alone as I didnt catch cut again and have never hit cut in 3rd before.

I was bothered that if I was overtaking it could have been a bit dodgy.

Speak to ya later.

STE.

UkLegacyT

thats the trouble mate, i didnt have any safeguards. my 1.8bar mods consisted of pipercross induction kit, full 3" mongoose....and a bleed valve
thats why it went!

mine doesnt have a fuel cut on it.

ian

STE.W.

Do mean your never had a fuel cut or have you done summat to remove it ??

I would like to hold 15 psi on myne but it's too close to the cut and the young un will need racing harneses if I hit fuel cut with him in the car! And I would need a new *** after the other half had finished kicking it !!

Please let me know I'm intrigued.

Your car must have been mental @ 1.8 bar, myne is quick enough for me (and the family ) @ 14- 14.5 psi. Got out of that one nicely!!

Ste.w (Would be using lots of these smiley things but dont know how to yet.)

UkLegacyT

i had the fuel cut removed just after i bought the car, as when i fitted the full system, the much lower restriction behind the turbo caused it to hit the cut in every gear badly.
i had a so called 'powerchip' installed. this was when i didnt know anything about subarus, but however, it turned out to be a fuel cut eliminator and a bleed valve!

ian

oh yeah, smilies. heres a few:








just click on the 'edit message' icon at the top of this post, and you can see what symbols etc i used for the above smilies

Turbo_Steve

The powerchip blew your engine? damn.
I assume it wasn't re-mapping your fuel properly...hence the big bang?

Anyone got any idea how far you push the legacy engine in "stage one" configuration (i.e. exhaust, airfilter, suitably re-mapped fuelling) horsepower or boost-wise? I am assuming that at around 20ish psi the injectors are getting near max duty cycle, and the 100,000 mile engine is getting a bit hot (egts going up etc etc).

So if the injectors are the bottleneck, dropping 440s in will surely give some more headroom (oh, and an FSE fuel regulator of course) but does that mean a bigger fuel pump too?
And THEN how much benefit will be seen after increasing boost and re-mapping AGAIN?



The engine has a charge cooler not a TMIC.....so presumably getting charge temperatures down for legacy's is easier than the impreza...we just need a bigger charge cooler at the front, or a little water tank somewhere, or a higher speed pump, or all of the above?

Is my head going to fall off if I ask too many questions?

UkLegacyT

it wasnt the chip that blew the engine, it was me
the 'chip' merely eliminated the boost cut, and they set the boost to 1.2bar using the bleed valve. i just kept opening the bleed valve a tad now and then
but, saying that, if the boost cut hadnt gone, i wouldnt have been able to up it, so fault on both parts really.
fuel was not remapped at all, was simply a sub £10 gizmo to get rid of the cut

i use a different chargecooler setup too, which is very efficient. whereas the water used to nearly boil on the original one when running high boost, the water now stays only luke warm at max.

ian

Turbo_Steve

You ran more than 14.5 psi boost on the standard fuel map?

ok....well...I broke the bottom end by not reading the dipstick correctly: I guess we are all guilty of something!

Still: now I have a WRX bottom end (thanks ScoobySport!)
I still wonder if I should have swapped the whole block.......

Don't suppose there is any chance you could possibly hint how your highly efficient Charge Cooler works? Or is that patent pending?

ustolemyname??stevieturbo

iTrader: (1)

Steve, are you using just the wrx bottom end, or the complete engine, including wrx heads.
If you are using a wrx bottom end with legacy heads, then you will end up with low compression

Ian, have you monitored air/water temps with the new pump and rad?? to see what sort of improvements have been made?
It would be nice to see that the actual chargecooler itself isnt a restricting factor in the system, just the other bits.

STE.W.

I, m so glad I started this topic. If I never asked all those soft assed questions I could have been right in the sh-te.

I'm obviuosly still learning about tuning these cars and your info has stopped me from doing dammage.

Turbo-Steve 14.5 psi max without messing with the standard fuel map ok?

If I wanted any more how do I alter the fueling then?

Ian, thanks yet again.

Finaly found out about your fuel cut.

And thanks for the info- as you can see I've sussed it.

Good to see a bit of info being passed about again.

Fortunately for you lot I won't be able to pester you to death with simple questions as this is my only pc with Scoobynet access.

So you can relax after 5:30 tonight but be warned - Monday 8.00am I'm back at work again!!

Ste




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UkLegacyT

lol, wont be in at 8am mon

stevie, havent got a temp sensor on it yet, but will have by the time i am using higher boost.
where can i get a water temp sensor setup from?

ste, yes, ran up to 25psi+ on standard map


we learn our lessons!

ian

anyway, had it wheelspinning in 2 and 3rd gear for a few hundred yards today , so it must have some oomph in it, and that was still only at 1bar!

STE.W.

Ian, I used to get wheel spin in myne in second and third but then I bought the car fitted with Nankangs finest!

A quick yes or no answer from you m8 please.

Am I going to be ok running the car at 14 - 15 psi with out bugrin about with remaps etc?

If you could let me know befor 5.30 I'm off to watch the rallyx @ croft this weekend and would like me, the lads and the car to get there and back in one piece



25 PSI - nutjob

C-YA.

Ste.

STE.W.

You didn't hear this from me right!

If any one is interested in using Mobil 1 Motorsport 15w50, the co I work for buys its lubes from WIS Lubrication on 01642 379640.

They have just sold 4ltrs to me for £20.00 plus vat!!

I dont know what you boys and girls would be able to buy it for but it may be worth a call.

I have no ties to this company other than they give the company I work for a good deal.

Best Regards & hav a gudun.

Ste.





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Turbo_Steve

14.5psi without re-mapping should not present you with any problems, cos your fuel cut will still stop anything bad happening. But as soon as you do anything to get rid of your fuel cut, you should be checking your fuelling, with an afr, Knocklink etc.


Low compression? Um...I dunno stevieturbo....um....
My car seems a bit quicker than a standard legacy but It SHOULD be completely standard apart from the WRX bottom end and an enlarged inlet into my airbox with it's ITG airfilter!. Oh, and the alloys, of course.

If compression is lower then surely I need to up the boost to..ohh...200psi? Well...maybe 21psi anyway.

STE.W.

I thank you. and

The only things to come back from the rallyx in tatters will be the passengers.

Cheers

Ste.

Turbo_Steve

So, Legacy owners, It's a good year down the line.....
Hows everyones cars doing nowadays?

Mine has a different turbo, downpipe (with splitter mod, so it's boost creeping.....damn damn damn) and an MBC. Still haven't removed factory fuel cut, but have gauges a-plenty. Had some unemployment related issues, so car hasn't come as far as I would have wanted, but just got it's new exhaust ( H&S decat jobbie ) and pulls much better now.

STE.W, LegacyT....stevieturbo....how are you all doing?

LEGACYTURBS

O.K. so i missed this thread, but i'm here now.

I'm running a my93 uk leg turbo.
Mods include:
Tony Law custom down pipe/total de-cat,
Magnex back box,
Blitz cone filter,
Scoobyecu,
wrx tmic,
and all the usual little bits of b0llax.

In the garage is a TD05(Me and Wallis are planning to run 1,000psi)
and i have a nice fmic in the post
Watch this space...

Shame well lane 6 is fully booked.

Oh yeh its done 185,000 miles, the tappets sound like a tin box full of rusty nails, but its fooking rapid and soon to be rapider

Been down the impreza heads road as well on my last leg, totally mint no noise after, but no high boost either

Good luck with your leg mate.

STE.W.

Hey up lads.

My Leg has had a few changes since last year.

*Pavlo Re-map. (Still under developement though). I am using Mr Dawes to cap boost now not increase it.

*Holding 15.5 psi with no det.

*Knock link, Afr Mounted in the plastic square to the left of the steering wheel that has Subaru on it....nice

*K&N induction for loud noises but not much else.Dusting mod from front foggy to intake hole and then drain pipe exit under filter.

*Pagid rs4-2 pads and group N discs... Bloody marvelous

*Bosch Ausie coil set... Smooth.

*Struts still not fitted but have Whiteline springs and drop links on order. Due this month

*Still got TDI tappets and now its starting to get colder they'll be getting louder more often[img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]

*Full H&S turbo back sytem.

I thinks thats about it.

Still love it to bits

Ste.W.

STE.W.

Also whilst the Legacy Boys are all together.

Could you have a look at my topic regarding "Legacy T help required... please don t shift yet"

I would realy like to get an answer on this to stop me mate from waisting time an money etc.

Cheers Again.

Ste.

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Turbo_Steve

Surprised Pavlo hasn't posted on here himself, yet!

Can't help you on the suspension stuff yet. Sorry. Mr JohnFelstead is proabably the guy on that one.

I have a box of Bosch coil packs, some REALLY expensive HT leads and iridium plugs sat right here waiting to go on the car.

Knocklink is mounted in A-Pillar (as is AFR...very annoying...too distracting at night) and lights up like a Christmas tree at high load RPMs. Which I am guessing is my spark. Guessing = hoping.

Anyway, nice to hear yours is running well.

I dunno what engine I have in mine, anymore. When I took the old turbo out to swap it, it seems to be a TD05-16G. I haven't had ANY tappet noise ever, and we're over 100,000miles now!

=shrug=

STE.W.

I think I may have pestered Pavlo to death regarding my ecu.

He doesnt call, he doesnt write, he wont return my calls and he didnt like the boiling bunny on the stove....

I just cant figure it out.

Only jokin

I was tight rsd with the leads and went for halfords jobbies for 20 squids. Seem to have done the trick though.

I need to recheck my plugs and possibly change em.

More time getting cut hands and grubby as fck again eh!

If the engine is running well, is quiet and has the tdo5 turbo thingy then you're sorted mate. Dont shrug enjoy!!

You could always use marker pens to tint the brightnes from the leds on the A.F.R to dimm em down a tad and just keep the critical ones untouched so if they go off you know about it

Just a thought even if it is a bit Blue Peterish!

STE.




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