Chelspeed

Mike / Dave T-S - I've been trying to make the fog light switch trigger the fog light relay and the fog light wiring on main beam for about 18 months now. Any chance of posting the wiring mod inside the car needed to do this? Fax, email, web page anything please, please.

Dave - Still waiting to see your curvy cover spot light solution.

Dave T-S

Right, it's all sorted

Ok, this is what i've done....I originally thought the Subaru covers with the holes in only fitted with fogs, but courtesy of Mike I discovered they will fit over the Hella Prodrive lamp kit. So, I bit the bullet and bought a pair of covers (£350 - big ouch ) and a pair of Prodrive gas discharge lamps (much bigger ouch, don't ask).

I originally bought a pair of Hella 1000FF halogen lamps only, but making the brackets was too time consuming - the flat L shaped bit is ok, but the curved bit the lamp bolts on was going to take too long......

I made up my own loom from scratch as I prefer to wire them direct from the battery via a relay and in line fuse. Pic of the loom follows, non crimped connectors were soldered and heatshrink insulated.



Lamp holes look like this when you take the OEM covers off.



Lamp kit here


Old covers and new



Backplates and brackets


Relay position under bonnet



Lamps in bumper (before someone points out the lamp is pi$$ed, I haven't adjusted it yet here)



The end result - had a quick blast up the road and they are awesome! NOte how white the lamp beam is compared to Vision Plus dips and 100w rallye mains.



This is Philips Vision Plus in dip, Philips Rallye 100w mains, and the Prodrive gas discharge drive lamps. Oh, BTW, HID dip units also on order from Jacey's group buy......

If anyone else is thinking about doing this, the Prodrive Hella 1000FF halogen kit is £195.

I an thinking about having my local friendly fibreglass shop make up some high quality replica covers at a fraction of the STi price - any takers?

BTW, the lamps are wired so they come on with main beam, but not switched via the fog lamp switch as I don't personally see an occasion when I would want them off on the rural roads round here!!

If anyone is thinking of just cutting a hole in their existing covers, it won't work - the lamp will stick out one side, and have a gap the other - the replacement covers have a "tunnel" moulded in behind the hole.

I'll post a daylight picture up at the weekend......

Finally, a big thanks to Mike Wood for his input and tolerating my own inimitable style of wanting to do things my own way




[Edited by Dave T-S - 10/14/2002 10:03:02 PM]

PSI3

Well Done Dave , saved me hacking up my covers, i did enquire about the Subaru covers but was told they were only for fogs ,glad they were wrong as it gives a much neater finish.

Did you buy the brackets seperately to the lamps (which i assume are still 1000FF HID) if so do you have part no.s.

simon

Dave T-S

Simon
The lamp brackets are included in both the lamp kits.

Halogen lamp kit is SACC2542 £195.

Gas discharge lamp kit is SACC2541 £795

Lamp covers are H4510FE200PG in WR blue
or H4510FE200VI in Blue Black, both at £349.95.

The lamp backplates are included in the cover kit, but on their own are about £25 pair.

All prices include vat

PSI3

I've already got some 1000FF HID's but not from Subaru so didn't get the brackets ( only paid £450 though ), will have to speak to my dealer to see if they can supply them.

simon

PSI3

double post
simon

[Edited by PCB - 10/15/2002 10:25:59 AM]

Dave T-S

Simon
You can't buy the brackets separately

I also tried that with the halogen ones - thought I was smart buying a pair of 1000FF for £36 each from my local Hella distributor, then realised the brackets are more complicated to make than I thought with the cup shaped lamp mount on them - not just flat ones like PIAA, and having spent a couple of hours fiddling around with prototype diy brackets realised it was a better use of my preciously short weekend time to just go and buy the kit

At first I said I wasn't going to effectively pay over £100 just for the brackets by buying the kit, but finally realised it was the easiest thing

Of course, the EASIEST thing is to get someone to make up some replica lamp brackets too LOL

Andrewza

Don't suppose you've got a piccy of what the car looks like in daylight, HID Driving lamps are very tempting Kinda pricey though

Edit to say I hope you got some protectors on em, I don't suppose you wanna bust a lense on one of those after all that

[Edited by Andrewza - 10/15/2002 12:04:32 PM]

Dave T-S

Andrew

Sorry they are all in the dark - finished 8:30 last night!

I did mention above i'd post one up at the weekend - or earlier if I get the chance, we are out at 0630, back at 1930, so don't see any daylight between Monday and Saturday mornings

BTW, I don't like protectors, they cut the light down, so will have to take my chances - don't tailgate is the motto



[Edited by Dave T-S - 10/15/2002 12:51:58 PM]

Andrewza

D'oh, should have read the whole thing! I know what you mean about not seeing daylight at home, heading towards that time of year for me as well (out 7:00, back ~20:00 )

I suppose, I've only had one foglamp get broken (on a MY00), used the opportunity to replace them with driving lamps. The STi lights are miles better than the MY00 as standard, but I suspect once it get's back to being really dark I'm going to miss the lamps round the country lanes.

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

PCB: I wonder if Scoobysport would sell you a pair of the brackets they make for their version of the HID kit which also uses Hella 1000ff units?
Their method of mounting is dead easy to use. Mine were up and running in about half an hour. No setting up required.
Alcazar

Dave T-S

Alcazar

Good point.....

Chelspeed

Dave T-S

Your installation looks perfect, I'm very jealous but also still a bit confused (easily done...)

The square captive nut plates fit behind the plastic bit of the bumper - right so far? I've bought these already and fitted them. The L shaped brakets screw to the front of the plastic bit (with bolts thro the plastic bit into the square plate) with the cup shaped bit sticking forward - still OK?

The spotlights (Hella 1000FF HIDs?) attach to the cup shaped bit using the standard spotlight mounts?

But then I get confused. I've got Hella 1000FF HID's from Scoobysport with WRX brackets (which work perfectly on the WRX by the way so absolutely no criticism of scoobysport intended or implied). These mount using scoobysports own brackets which screw to the back of the light housing. With these the side corner of the lens would stick well out the front of where the covers with the holes will go. Are your's behind the cover? Is this just because the scoobysport brackets mount the lights further forward than the proper L shaped brackets or what? I'll be surprised if this is so as there seems little room inside the bumper to move the lights further back than scoobysport mount them. Are we talking about the same light unit?

Thanks for your patience....

ps still after a copy of Prodrives wiring instructions for driving lights that details wiring mods under the dash to make the existing fog light wiring work as spotlights, can you help?

Pete Croney

Chelspeed, our bracket system locates the lights quite a bit further into the bumper than the Prodrive bracket does.

Mike, I have your wiring diagram and my own car uses this method. JDM spec cars don't have foglight wiring though, so we developed our own loom which overcomes the "live when off" problem on all STi7s. This system then activates the driving lights with main beam but, importantly, only main beam. Using the Subaru/Prodrive wiring diagram that I have, it is possible for someone to go from dipped to park, without first turning off the foglight switch, and then blinding on coming drivers. Is there a revision to your wiring diagram to prevent this or have I misread it?

Dave I strongly recommend protectors. I don't tailgate either, but 2 replacement lenses in the first 3 months, at over £100 a go each for the HID version, made me realise their value. Our covers also fit the halogen 1000FF units. The glass in these units is very fragile but in the past 2 years none of our HID customers using the covers have had a breakage.

Chelspeed

> our bracket system locates the lights quite a bit further into
> the bumper than the Prodrive bracket does.

It looks like it does, thats why I was so confused, how has Dave managed to fit his lights under the covers using the Prodrive brackets? If indeed he has.

Pete Croney

He hasn't, the new covers have a pipe shape that goes around the light.

I'm interested in seeing what this set up looks like.

Dave T-S

Chelspeed
Sorry for the delay in replying, my office internet access has been TU all morning

Your questions have been pretty much answered by others, and you will see better when I get the chance to post a daylight pic at the weekend, but the outer edges of the lamps *do* project slightly beyond the covers on the outside.
Doesn't bother me, as I want them primarily to see where I am going. The only way you will get round this is to use a smaller P1 type light unit - but IMHO I think they look pansy

I am happy to send you a copy of the wiring instructions provided it's ok with Mike - I don't want to infringe any copyright or anything.

[Edited by Dave T-S - 10/16/2002 2:05:26 PM]

Chelspeed

Dave - OK that explains it, it's all clear now. Looking forward to seeing the daylight photos. Pretty sure I'll end up doing virtually the same as you, HID Hella drives (but from Scoobysport), Prodrive covers and HID dip (from the group buy).

Just need to sort out the wiring inside the car, decide if I need 4100k or 6000k dips and whether to stick with the Osram +30% conventional main beam or go group buy HID main as well as the dip. If I can get the drives fitted successfully I guess that will mean I have less incentive to upgrade the main beam.

Dave T-S

Personally, if you have HID in dip and HID Hella drive lamps, I would have thought 100w halogen mains are enough rather than the extra cost of HID for them too.

Except for Mike Wood, who has HID in all three, but then I expect he tripped over the boxes in the storeroom

Dave T-S

Ok, at last, here are some pics of the install in daylight (and I still haven't adjusted the wonky one yet )














You *can* colour code the red bit, but as you only get that with the xenon ones, the halogen are grey, i'll probably leave it as is!




[Edited by Dave T-S - 10/22/2002 8:27:47 PM]

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

EEEEK! it looks as if you haven't got covers on them? At £50 each per lens, and that's IF it doesn't take out the Discharge lamp, I'd be ringing Scoobysport for a pair of their clear covers. I wouldn't even fit mine until I got the covers.....
Alcazar

Dave T-S

I don't like covers. They look stupid plus cut down the light output. I don't tailgate, the cause of most broken lamps, don't normally use the car in anything but very light traffic, it has only done 4000 miles in 8 months plus I have only had (IIRC) two broken lights in 31 years driving......

Of course, that is the kiss of death, but i'll take my chances

[Edited by Dave T-S - 10/23/2002 9:02:53 AM]

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

How do they look stupid?
I can't even see the Scoobysport ones on mine, which must also mean they don't cut the light output much, if at all.
Your choice though Dave.:
Alcazar
PS: I've only had two broken lights in 30 years driving, both on the Scoob, one was a foglight, the other was one of two auxilliary driving lights I put beside the number plate. The latter was only 2" across, but a stone still took it out, and it came from across the road, I saw it coming.:
Alcazar

[Edited by alcazar - 10/23/2002 10:33:03 AM]

Dave T-S

Alcazar
30 years driving - poor sod - you must be as old as me

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

LOL Probably older m8!!
Alcazar:

Pete Croney

Here's a picture of HIDs with the protectors on. They are made from a perspex type plastic which is very hard. As Alcazar says, you can't see them unless you are looking for them.



Dave, ditch the red rings, they look very "Halfords"

Dave T-S

Pete
They look okay, better than most protectors I have seen - i.e. you don't appear to be able to see them BTW, most of them are made from polycarbonate - much stronger than perspex.

Re the red rings, no offence to whoever's car it is, but better red rings on a blue black mica car than grey or black rings on a white one!

But, when I get a minute (currently scheduling about February!!) I will colour code them

Pete Croney

Dave

That's the stuff, couldn't remember what it was when typing

LOL about your schedule

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Pete: "Halfords" indeed!!!!
I got my lights from you, they already had the red rings painted black. I spent ages removing the paint with Xylene to return 'em to red, so that everyone can see they're HID!!!
Alcazar:

Dave T-S

Alcazar
Exactly my point Pete doesn't understand Spend sh1tloads on Xenon lamps, and paint the rims to make them look like halogen ones I'll probably still do it though LOL

Pete
The sad thing is, i'm probably only exaggerating a bit.....at the end of our two weeks at home when we moved house there were more jobs on the to do list than there were at the start!! - currently garden landscaping

[Edited by Dave T-S - 10/25/2002 2:29:27 PM]