Anyone gone from scoob to clio 172?
16 September 2002, 05:02 PM
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I went out in a Clio Cup a couple of weeks ago.
Fantastic car if you're going to do track, not sure if I could live with it day-to-day though. Need my little luxuries (A/C, decent stereo, a bit of noise reduction).
Still, at least with all the bits removed it cuts down on rattle potential!
Laurence
Fantastic car if you're going to do track, not sure if I could live with it day-to-day though. Need my little luxuries (A/C, decent stereo, a bit of noise reduction).
Still, at least with all the bits removed it cuts down on rattle potential!
Laurence
17 September 2002, 01:04 PM
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Re the Clio Cup, I think Renault are failing in their responsibility to other road users by deleting ABS from what is a very fast road car that is within the price range of young/inexperienced drivers.
18 September 2002, 01:48 PM
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Back from test drive here are impressions.
Performance pretty strong engine flexible. Not as fee revving as WRX tho' (but felt quicker)
Steering a bit woolly and dead not alot of feedback. Got some torque steer over adverse camber and tight corners. Ride was fine but not in WRX league
Interior and styling - all a bit dated offset driving position switchgear leftover from R5 etc.
Conclusion.
The clio is no scoob alternative however its a bargain and whilst not as solid and accomplished as the Mini through the corners was a more memorable driving experience for me.
V tempted to order a Cup version.
Performance pretty strong engine flexible. Not as fee revving as WRX tho' (but felt quicker)
Steering a bit woolly and dead not alot of feedback. Got some torque steer over adverse camber and tight corners. Ride was fine but not in WRX league
Interior and styling - all a bit dated offset driving position switchgear leftover from R5 etc.
Conclusion.
The clio is no scoob alternative however its a bargain and whilst not as solid and accomplished as the Mini through the corners was a more memorable driving experience for me.
V tempted to order a Cup version.
18 September 2002, 10:05 PM
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being a previous my97 impreza owner, then a 172, now an 01 wrx i think that some people have very cloded glasses towards an old shape impreza...the interior is basic to say the least , the doors are tinny, no aircon, paintwork very thin..as is my01 wrx, massive difference in price
both cars to me are aimed at different markets...try getting 30 mpg out of any impreza when thrashing it..look at the servicing costs and insurance.....some people might like the offset peddles...mine was the original which imo looks loads better than the new model...
the honda and clio performance is very similar...honad build quality better but the performance is above 5k...clio's is fully on song then.....let's have constructive comments from people who have owned both..also the comment about a 96 williams and the rust....."i take it that subaru's don't rust then!" depends how they are looked after ...
both cars to me are aimed at different markets...try getting 30 mpg out of any impreza when thrashing it..look at the servicing costs and insurance.....some people might like the offset peddles...mine was the original which imo looks loads better than the new model...
the honda and clio performance is very similar...honad build quality better but the performance is above 5k...clio's is fully on song then.....let's have constructive comments from people who have owned both..also the comment about a 96 williams and the rust....."i take it that subaru's don't rust then!" depends how they are looked after ...
23 September 2002, 12:06 AM
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Hi,
I went from a 106 GTi -> MY00 Turbo -> Clio 172 Mk2 and love the Clio to bits. I payed £11.5k brand new for it after selling the scoob for a profit (after 9k miles and almost a year) after deciding that a smaller car suited my needs better for pretty much constant town driving (and the odd trip down the M6).
What I really like about the Clio is;
Fuel Economy : Is actually is better than my old 106, which surprised me a lot. About 27/28 for constant town driving - against 18odd for the Scooby and about 25/26 for the 106. Over 40Mgp on a run down south is possible, where the Impreza struggled to get over 25.
Pace : Around town it feels nice and torquey, with zero lag - so in many circumstances it actually feels quicker than the Impreza did. Not so much on the open road, however!
Lights : Xenon lights are cool, end of story.
Handling : It does feel like a little go-kart most of the time, and is excellent for a blast down the A701 - more often than not keeping up with a lot more expensive kit along the way.
With regards to the build quality, I think the interior is not bad at all - certainly on a par with the Impreza, and miles ahead of the 106/Saxo.
I do still miss the Impreza sometime though. Given the right road at the right time and the Scoob would just feel brilliant - but thats missing the point of the Clio. If you want a lot of the fun that the scoob can provide, but in a smaller, more cost effective package, yet still maintaining a lot of kit/creature comforts - the Clio fits the bill as one of the best alternatives out there.
Chris
I went from a 106 GTi -> MY00 Turbo -> Clio 172 Mk2 and love the Clio to bits. I payed £11.5k brand new for it after selling the scoob for a profit (after 9k miles and almost a year) after deciding that a smaller car suited my needs better for pretty much constant town driving (and the odd trip down the M6).
What I really like about the Clio is;
Fuel Economy : Is actually is better than my old 106, which surprised me a lot. About 27/28 for constant town driving - against 18odd for the Scooby and about 25/26 for the 106. Over 40Mgp on a run down south is possible, where the Impreza struggled to get over 25.
Pace : Around town it feels nice and torquey, with zero lag - so in many circumstances it actually feels quicker than the Impreza did. Not so much on the open road, however!
Lights : Xenon lights are cool, end of story.
Handling : It does feel like a little go-kart most of the time, and is excellent for a blast down the A701 - more often than not keeping up with a lot more expensive kit along the way.
With regards to the build quality, I think the interior is not bad at all - certainly on a par with the Impreza, and miles ahead of the 106/Saxo.
I do still miss the Impreza sometime though. Given the right road at the right time and the Scoob would just feel brilliant - but thats missing the point of the Clio. If you want a lot of the fun that the scoob can provide, but in a smaller, more cost effective package, yet still maintaining a lot of kit/creature comforts - the Clio fits the bill as one of the best alternatives out there.
Chris
23 September 2002, 02:48 PM
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Haha, Montreal Blue 02 plate.
I'll be racing you to the nearest petrol station!
Couldn't face buying the bloody ugly MY01 - tempted by an MY03 though if the facelifts any good!
Chris
I'll be racing you to the nearest petrol station!
Couldn't face buying the bloody ugly MY01 - tempted by an MY03 though if the facelifts any good!
Chris
14 October 2002, 03:58 AM
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Saxo Boy.
Saxo VTS 15.3 at crail, I find that hard to believe, My best at crail was 15.2 in my Integra Type-R and I think I would have been a fair bit ahead than you, the saxo VTR would not bet a Civic Type-R but I did.
Was your car modified?
Saxo VTS 15.3 at crail, I find that hard to believe, My best at crail was 15.2 in my Integra Type-R and I think I would have been a fair bit ahead than you, the saxo VTR would not bet a Civic Type-R but I did.
Was your car modified?
14 October 2002, 12:45 PM
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Re the title of this thread...
I went from scoob to clio 172 this morning when I had to return the wife's car to dealer for a new backbox after just 5000 miles.
Can't say I enjoyed watching them butcher the centre section with a hacksaw to get the new BB to line up...
Gareth
[Edited by gareth - 10/14/2002 12:46:35 PM]
I went from scoob to clio 172 this morning when I had to return the wife's car to dealer for a new backbox after just 5000 miles.
Can't say I enjoyed watching them butcher the centre section with a hacksaw to get the new BB to line up...
Gareth
[Edited by gareth - 10/14/2002 12:46:35 PM]
14 October 2002, 01:09 PM
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Saxo VTS 15.3 at crail, I find that hard to believe, My best at crail was 15.2 in my Integra Type-R and I think I would have been a fair bit ahead than you, the saxo VTR would not bet a Civic Type-R but I did.
I also raced a young chineese guy in a modified Integra that day at crail (he was from aberdeen as well hence the description in case you know him) and I wasted him from the lights as the VTS was very quick in 1st and very easy to launch. He caught me up and passed the line ahead of me but the gap wasn't very big. I don't normally like ITR's but this thing looked sweet as ****
14 October 2002, 06:39 PM
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The Chinese Guy with the Integra is my best mate it was not modified, I cross the line at crail at 93 M.P.H at 15.2 seconds, there must be more than o.1 M.P.H in the time if you were crossing the line 3 M.P.H slower, You get away at the start because the integra cant get traction until 3rd gear then it flies, i'm not saying the Saxo VTS is slow, I just think it is in a different league.
14 October 2002, 07:10 PM
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CJ,
The car SaxoBoy had obviously wasn't in a different league to your Teg, I was there, he posted the time against me!!(he beat me over the line to boot, but we won't go there, eh Kenny!!)
High 14's is achievable in the 172, I would have thought 14's would have been easy meat for a teg too, or am I wrong?
[Edited by bluenose172 - 10/14/2002 8:19:34 PM]
The car SaxoBoy had obviously wasn't in a different league to your Teg, I was there, he posted the time against me!!(he beat me over the line to boot, but we won't go there, eh Kenny!!
)High 14's is achievable in the 172, I would have thought 14's would have been easy meat for a teg too, or am I wrong?
[Edited by bluenose172 - 10/14/2002 8:19:34 PM]
14 October 2002, 08:05 PM
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The TEG I saw had some nice styling mods and I don't think it had a standard back-box. Tell your mate I was luving his car 
Even an Impreza (for straightline dry stuff) isn't in a massively different league from the VTS and the TEG, CTR, 172, etc all fall in between the two so I don't see how you get that your TEG is in a different league. I've modified my scooby now and I'm itching to play with 172's, TEGs, etc to see how easily I can/can't pull a lead.
You said you struggle for traction in the first 3 gears
You don't in the VTS, as standard all you had to do was get her rolling (5mph) and then in the dry you could nail it in every gear. I was taking pretty much every car I raced off the line because the VTS was easy to launch (4wd's excluded). Your right though, once rolling the Honda's were a good bit quicker. For your information though there was a standard red crx 1.6 VTi type thing there that day (the 160bhp versions) and he was beating me by more of a margin than the TEG's. Don't worry though, I'm not having a go at Honda's. Prior to that Crail day I didn't rate Honda's at all but after that I realised that they make the best n/a engines in the world, no questions. The red crx was massively impressive - quite simply it out-reved and out-accelerated both the VTS and the 172 and its a fairly old car too
The fact I was 3mph slower but only 0.1 secs behind is wheelspin. Your car spins over the line (hence starting timing) and then accelerates fast when it gets traction and hence crosses the line at a faster speed but not always as fast a time because it spent a while wasting its energy. That's why launched 4wd's can often post impressive times with terminal speeds that don't really seem to match up
Even an Impreza (for straightline dry stuff) isn't in a massively different league from the VTS and the TEG, CTR, 172, etc all fall in between the two so I don't see how you get that your TEG is in a different league. I've modified my scooby now and I'm itching to play with 172's, TEGs, etc to see how easily I can/can't pull a lead.
You said you struggle for traction in the first 3 gears
You don't in the VTS, as standard all you had to do was get her rolling (5mph) and then in the dry you could nail it in every gear. I was taking pretty much every car I raced off the line because the VTS was easy to launch (4wd's excluded). Your right though, once rolling the Honda's were a good bit quicker. For your information though there was a standard red crx 1.6 VTi type thing there that day (the 160bhp versions) and he was beating me by more of a margin than the TEG's. Don't worry though, I'm not having a go at Honda's. Prior to that Crail day I didn't rate Honda's at all but after that I realised that they make the best n/a engines in the world, no questions. The red crx was massively impressive - quite simply it out-reved and out-accelerated both the VTS and the 172 and its a fairly old car too The fact I was 3mph slower but only 0.1 secs behind is wheelspin. Your car spins over the line (hence starting timing) and then accelerates fast when it gets traction and hence crosses the line at a faster speed but not always as fast a time because it spent a while wasting its energy. That's why launched 4wd's can often post impressive times with terminal speeds that don't really seem to match up
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