Marco Polo

P.S the fastest 2.0 litre turbo japanese car that i have seen going around a track, is the Simon Norris's EVO5 and thats the truth!!

so don't mension Skylines and Supra's because they are 6 cylinder turbo engines (not four cyclinder)

Marco Polo

Scoobs, evo's ,gti-r's, rx7's,cossie's are all in the same class 2.0litre turbo

Fuzz

Rx7 hmmmmm
rotary mate, different kettle of fish

co55ie

There is allways some excuse its a rally car etc etc. Just face it the cossie range of cars are devastatingly quick have more tuning potential than any other 2.0 turbo.
My point my 13000 motor needs a 100000 porsche to beat it.
I suggest that you actually have a go in one of these cars before you slate it. It seems strange that the only way you defend your beloved scoobies is by making personnel comments in otherwords you know you have lost the arguement.

LG John

No body is having an argument. We don't deny that your car is fast but what the **** use is all that power without some control, some style and some finesse. I could drop a jet engine into the back of a wagon but it's hardly useful power delivery or road worthy for that matter.


Granted your car is fast but.....(I'll spell it out) I T I S A S H E D ! ! !

co55ie

And of course your scooby has both finesse and control LOL

LG John

Compared to a cossie.........yes!!

rich1231

My gocart i knocked up with a plank and a shopping trolley looks more appealing to be in that a cossie. And speaking of planks, Cossie you are a large forest.

co55ie

your only jealous rich cause your motor is about as powerful as a pedal go - kart

DARREN

co55ie,post me your address so i can sent you me at the pod last week blitzing a 350 bhp 4x4 Saff on video
My STi has 296 bhp and as CraigH said to have a ford as quick as a scoob you need another 80-100 bhp.
Good luck with what youve achieved with your car...........
But you aint never gonna get heads turning as you boost past a crowd

Darren

Mellow Yellow !

iTrader: (1)

Lol.....Light blues...... remember me @ Croft a month or so ago ? at the time I was "peddeling" around in a sonic blue RA ? Caught you up on the start finish straight.....nothing between us going down...me edging out slightly....my main gain was outbraking by miles....then left you acres by acres... Dont forget the RA is 68% rear wheel biased and you'll probably remember watching it sideways

Anyhow....you're at Oulton tomorrow yea

So am I

Although I'll be peddaling a saph cossy round there tomorrow (that'll be interesting folks) my RA will be there too....now with coilovers and GEMS

Sleep well

(p.s; this is all in good humour....no $hite intended, or upset etc....all great cars....but all different drivers !....which is what I believe Craig's point may have been reading earlier on )

Chris

Silver-Bullet

Marco,

I’ve known Scotty for years, I remember the first time he tested that mental WRC orange escort at Millbrook, only after that rally, (I believe he was 2nd end of the day). He was still actually finishing the car off in the morning before the race.

His fiesta he built for his missus was incredible, tested at snertton.

(Without going into too much Techno Babble)….

Back to the point of COZZI, I can see his argumentative point, the Cosworth lump is extremely tuneable, but like I said before not extremely reliable, even Scotty’s awesome Escort had engine problems at Cambridge special stages (I was rallying in a red MK2 escort at the same Snertton and Cambridge stages), and there is no way for e.g. a WRC Escort is not really a match for a GRP A Lancer Evo or GRP A/WRC Impreza if the drivers were of equal standards only .

As far as the road going cars go, there is no doubt the Lancer Evo is the most accomplished of the bunch, and it’s 2 Litre 4G63 lump is certainly more reliable then either of the Impreza Flat four or Cosworth YB lump.

But the road going Impreza will certainly handle better than a road going cosworth due to it’s superior chassis, then again the Evo would be far superior than them both.

Marco you should know better than asking these boys to race their moderately up rated Scooby’s, etc against Scotty’s WRC spec Escort, that car may only have 300 BHP, but you forgot to mention it is a FULLY PREPARED WRC ESCORT, seq box, carbon everything, no expense spared.

I’d be pissing myself, because unlike a lot of people on WWW chat forums claim to be good drivers i.e.

“I went round about sideways"

when in reality all that occurred was the back end came slightly out then was power under steered through the bend, hardly a full-on power slide.

Scotty can drive like most folks on these forums can only dream of, his the closet you’ll get to a WORKS quality driver I’ve met.

DARREN

Mellow.............Glad to see youre flying the Scoobe flag in Scotts old RA but with more power now than ever before!!!!!!!!!!

Just go and kick some *** m8
Show the cossies....WHOS THE DADDIE

Darren

Marco Polo

Silver-Bullet


fair comment, I do know Steve well my self , what i was trying to say is,i know probally there scooby's/eveo's have better chassis than a bog standard Escort cossie or Sierra and there's no deny to that , what my punch line is, YOU can set them up to handle , which alot of these people on here don't seem to belive,
thats what annoy's cossie owners,(more than anythink) Ie like caster and camber Adjustable Tcs, coilover's re-design rear beams ect,ect

(We Know, we have the best Stock/standard 2.0litre in the world with the best internals)

The Scoobys and Evo's are good cars and a have very good package as standard out of the box, if you know what i mean,

what annoys me is when muppets don't give cossie's any credit at all, where i will give any car credit

I do know Graig H and his old STI 5 and it was one of the fastest Scoobys that i have been in

one question About the top ten of the best why didn't the scooby's owners bring a team if they are that good with all their bragging how good they are??

The cossie team didn't really have a good day but still had the ball's to play the game , and some 2wd cossie's ran a sub 11 quater and i know 500 meters is more tha a 1/4 mile

Marco Polo

And just for the record lets see how manys Scoobys we in the top ten


Fastest Drag Run 500 time (10am-3.30pm)
Class A Andy Nicholls Maestro turbo 14.19s 115mph
Class B Leon Green Supra turbo 12.96s 138mph
Class C Ronnie Skyline R33 11.97s 142mph

Fastest Lap
Class A Ian Blundell RS turbo 37.76s
Class b Martin Bell Fireblade Fury 33.79s
Class C Gareth LLoyd RS Esc cos 31.9s



Highest Top Speed on day (approx 1.3miles!)
Class A Christian Major RS turbo 153.6mph
Class B Leon Green Supra 185.2mph
Class C Ronnie Skyline R33 196.6mph!!!!!!

Shootout winners Head-to-head 500m
Class A Andy Nicholls Maestro turbo 14.45s 1115mph
bt Paul Ripley RS fiesta 15.02s 103mph

class B Leon Green supra 14.7s 139mph bt Mark Shead RS cos 22.03s 35 (run aborted)

class C Ronnie skyline r33 12.12s 135mph bt Glen Horncastle Skyline 13.02s 129mph

Overall 2wd Champion head to head
Andy Nicholls Maestro turbo 13.97s 119mph bt Leon green Supra (red light disq!)

Overall Shootout Winner 2wd vs 4wd
Ronnie Skyline R33 12.41s 140mph bt Andy Nicholls Maestro turbo 14.16s 118mph

final run for cameras
Skyline R33 Ronnie vs Leon Green Supra
12.38s 139mph 14.0 135mph

Class results 500m top 5 (from all runs in qualifying)
Class A Andy N 14.19s 115mph
2nd Paul ripley 14.86 112mph
Keith Taylor 14.98s 116mph
Sunny Khalsa 15.15s 114mph
Nigel Burroughes 15.67s 107mph

Class B
Leon Green 12.96s 138mph
Paul Ergatoudis Porsche GT2 13.23s 127mph
Mark Shead RS cos 13.39s 129mph
Steve Scott focus WRC 13.49s 131mph
Nadine Geary Viper GTS 13.84s 125mph

Class C
Ronnie Skyline R33 11.97s 142mph
Gareth Lloyd Esc cos 12.4s 129mph
Norris designs Evo 12.43s 135mph
Andy Barnes Skyline R33 13.1 130mph
Glen Horncastle R34 skyline 13.13s 127mph



LOL Who said that cossie are know good .lol dream on see it and weep

co55ie

exactly my point notice how the Norris evo was beaten by an escort cossie.
Subarus were all nearly last in their respective classes.
The cossie is still the cheapest way to mega performance. The evo engine isn't as reliable as the cossie which is still the best 2.0 turbo in the world bar none

Mark Jackson

Just read the whole of this thread (I am a masochist you see) and do you know what it reminds me of ?

Well, I am 31 and during my youth the home computer came of age and we all went and bought Spectrums and Commodore 64's, and based on this many kids spent a lot of time arguing abvout the relative merits of each machine, I think hear that the Evo is a metaphor for the C64 and the Scoob plays the Spectrum, the Cossie is earlier so its a ZX81 with a 16k Ram Pack. I witnessed punch ups, actual physical violence related to the sound and graphics capabilites of the Spectrum v c64 thing. Alistair Hughes from 3c must reget the day when he baited me about my c64, silly ***** had a Dragon 32. For the benefit of Saxo boy and the other Junior members (sic) do a search on Google for 1980's computers and you will get the idea

Funny how childish it sounds now ?

but, in ten years when you are older,richer and fatter you will be probably driving a 7 Series or Audi RS26 and will look back fondly on these kind of arguments. Isuspect that by this time, my wife will relent and let me get my Scoob, merely 25 minutes before I croak !

sjw

Divorce the wife.
Buy a scooby (or 2 cossie's)....
Sorted.

JamieMacdonald

Must have clicked on the wrong thread as I though this was about racing Porsches
Funnily enough I raced a Porsche (911?) Carrera coming down the A3 yesterday, I had 3 people and luggage in my car (UK MY97). Although he initially pulled away (I just stayed in 5th from 70), I began to catch him before I bottled it at a very silly speed and let him go (well actually when we saw a McDonalds up ahead).

I'm assuming this porsche was a turbo, it was an early 90s reg and it had one of those funny spoilers that pops up - anyway I was quite pleased that my Scoob was more than a match for it. Had previously left a Jag XK8 on the slip road (they are either really slow or his wife must have told him to slow down An XKR would have been a different story though I guess!

J

jjr1

if the spoiler popped up it was not a turbo. If it had of been and he was trying to get away you would not have seen him for dust

markyp

The question is somewhat irrelevant - as it is not just the car, but the driver. I have owned and raced Porsches and it really is down to the driver.

With identical drivers, your modern day 9 series Porsche (saly non trurbo) will beat a WRX or even an STi scoob both for speed and braking, but the scoob will out corner the Porsche.

I have had a few races and they are VERY close, and always have to make my ground up on cornering; never enough power to overtake though - so once behind, always behind. I prefer being behind, though, put pressure on tehehe

turbine

I have raced a porsche turbo kept near it in 1st but from 2nd on
it was manic they get to a 100 in what most sports cars do 60!
well all i can say is my pulsar has nearly 300bhp and it made me look like my turbo had blown (some of the turbos are boosted as well,- christ!)

Neil F

In the case of my test, the Porsche driver was a friend from the karting league that I race in and in fairness he is a more accomplished driver than me. So I think it's fair to say that this was as purely down to the cars as could be expected.
As I said, it was from second gear exiting a roundabout on the given signal. It may have been different from a standstill but I can only imagine that my STi would have more of an advantage?

Neil.

Silver-Bullet

Marco/Cozzi,

As adults we are all entitled to our opinions and looking at the top ten shootout there is no denying the Ford brigade kicked butt. In these sort of mickey mouse events it’s difficult to get some big boys like Prodrive and Ralliart WRC spec Impreza and Evo’s to go against the likes of the Escort cossie on the day.

Over the years I have been rallying the Escort and Sapp cossi’s do really well in small tarmac/gravel type events and therefore reliability is rarely threatened.
But to go as far to claim the YB lump being the best 2.0 turbo about, is someone having a laugh!

In the bigger scheme of things you only have to look at the cosworth developed engine in the World Rally Championship and the results speak for themselves (I would like to point out I am not taking sides but merely stating the facts recorded in I suppose history).

I personally preferred the BDG block then the YB lump (similar, but not the same), this is personal preference.


COZZI

End of the day results like the Top Ten speak for them self and again I can relate to your frustration regarding denial of the Cosworth engine, but things have progressed and there are just as important mechanics in a car that have improved over time e.g. Gearbox, suspension, turbo type, etc.

As you quite clearly pointed out, the Escort Cossie at the top ten shootout beat the challenging Norris Evo and modified Scoobs – fair enough, this was won on the day.

But lets now look at the ‘Bigger Picture’ i.e. World Rally Championship and not mickey mouse stages held by amateurs (no offence intended). All manufactures compete at the highest level with the best drivers and the results conclude any argument.

In the WRC Ford have the worst record for reliability with their cars, engine, gearbox, blown turbos etc, this also relates to GRP N and GRP A. Historical records will show these results in black and white, so regardless what opinion anyone has the results will always separate the Men from the boys.

As they say ‘When the flag drops the bull**** stops’

Marco Polo

Silver-Bullet

These events don't prove nothing i know,and your a right about ralling ford haven't done any good Since the Mk1 Rs/Mk2 RS Escorts

The ten of the best
were all road going cars "tuned up" by ethier themselves or tuners

Skylines were 650bhp some were 700+bhp

Supra's 600/700 bhp

cossie's most were 500+bhp and 1 400bhp (Lee done well)

Norris evo 580bhp Did break 2 diffs on the day (hence time)

You said Micky mouse event, no offence meant,all the clubs were offered the chance to run their tuned cars regauless of modification
Evo's, Cossie, scoobs, Skylines, ect ect


Most of us can't afford to do ralling as it cost to much even if we were very good drivers money stops us from going all the way and if money was no object i would be a rally driver by now (don't know if i would be any good lol) money sure helps thou.

i'm just a normal Joe soap pesent make do with my infera cossie

camk

9 pages of pure ****e...whatever happened to the Scoobynet of old, have we so little to talk about. What relevance has any of this, raced a Porsche, my ****. Its usually about who values their licence or their car or their life the most. The cars don't even come into it, like some guy in a 60 grand car gives a toss about a what a guy driving a 7-10 grand turbo thinks. He's more likely to change the CD. Ask yourself this, would you race a guy in an XR2, is it a race, maybe to him but all your thinking of is Big Mac or Filet of Fish....

uxg

The difference is an XR2 doesn't really have a chance of embarrasing a car which costs 6 times as much where as my Type R does. I couldn't tell you the amount of times I have surprised some very exotic machinery and then been asked by some embarassed\surprised owners what my car is so they obviously do care that their £60K toy just got passed by some "jap crap". I'm not deluded and do not think in anyway my car is the best\fastest etc and if I could afford one I would take a 996 anyday of the week but for the price I paid, you can't argue with supercar embarrising performance for a fraction of the price.

GCollier

From experience, a new model (320bhp) 996 will *just* pull away from my standard evo 6 up to 3 figures. Don't know after that, but I expect the porsche's advantage would increase.

I've got a boxster S on order, and comparison with an evo or subaru is kind of difficult, almost impossible, the two cars are so completely and utterly different. The evo is an adrenalin junkies car, great acceleration, brakes, super-sharp steering etc. The boxster S is a far more sublime driving experience - more relaxed, beautifully weighted controls with great feel, better looks, better cabin, gorgeous flat-6 sound behind you with the hood down etc. Ultimately the boxster S is slower than the evo, and probably a lot of subarus, but to brand it as inferior as a result really misses the point, and smacks of a one-dimensional appreciation of what constitutes driving pleasure.

I still don't know which car I prefer, as I said they really are so different, and I may end up running both in parallel for a while before deciding which one to keep.

Gary.

LG John

If you really want a laugh there was a 10 page thread on the saxo site where someone claimed he beat (yes BEAT) a 911 Turbo in his supercharged Furio (with VTR 1.6 8v engine) through the twisties and in the straights


*cough* W@nk *cough*

Neil Arrowsmith

Dear Mr Carzy- sorry Cossie.
When not tearing around the lanes of Essex in the STI Type UK.I'm often popping over to france or Belgium. Travelling time 35-40 mins non stop from Essex.
Tumbled it yet bright eyes?
No not in the Scoob but the Mooney top speed 201 knots(approx 230mph)cruising @ 60% power 150 knots (170 ish mph).All this from only 200 bhp & no turbo or other gizmo's.
Not bad Stats Eh?
Fancy a race!
Have you geussed yet. Yes its a single engine 4 seater light aircraft.
By the way i'm not an IT nerd as you nearly put it & my Rep mobile on certain days is an 18 Tonne truck.
not bad qualifications for a dumb fu&k without any.
should be getting the Commercial Pilots licence soon.
Any way Scoobs rule and I must Fly.
Neil